The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]
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I do hope that Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren and Moreno become a unit over the next few weeks.
Something is telling me that it is the defendsive tactics though.
If we had Tony Pulis as a defensive coach would the defence improve instantly or over a couple of weeks? I think it would do.
Last year we were defensively s
te and whilst we are only 2 games in, the 2 games have shown glimpses of last season 
Something is telling me that it is the defendsive tactics though.
If we had Tony Pulis as a defensive coach would the defence improve instantly or over a couple of weeks? I think it would do.
Last year we were defensively s
te and whilst we are only 2 games in, the 2 games have shown glimpses of last season paulrockliffe said:
I think what we’ve seen with the two teams selected is that Rodgers doesn’t want to play more than a few new players at once, which I can understand. As a result you have Johnson and Allen on the pitch, rather than Manquillo and Markovitch. There may be an argument for Cann to play ahead of Henderson or Gerrard in some games/formations, but he won’t get much game time while other players are being bedded in because the other two are known quantities. We saw last season how important it is to manage change properly, hopefully that’s what’s happening.
We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
Cann is not fit, you could tell that when he came on We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
BlackST said:
I do hope that Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren and Moreno become a unit over the next few weeks.
Something is telling me that it is the defendsive tactics though.
If we had Tony Pulis as a defensive coach would the defence improve instantly or over a couple of weeks? I think it would do.
Last year we were defensively ste and whilst we are only 2 games in, the 2 games have shown glimpses of last season
Worrying thing for me is what Neville and Carragher keep picking up on, the gap between defenders and the lack of moving across as a unit - it was the same against southampton, surely that is a quick fix?? simple instructions that the gap should between the next defender should never be anymore than x ??Something is telling me that it is the defendsive tactics though.
If we had Tony Pulis as a defensive coach would the defence improve instantly or over a couple of weeks? I think it would do.
Last year we were defensively s
te and whilst we are only 2 games in, the 2 games have shown glimpses of last season ATM I am not to worried about yesterday - NEW CB playing with NEW LB - a RIGHT BACK totally out of form (if he still has any) but cant drop him for City away (cant play with 3 new defenders in 1 game) and Flannagan still injured - No Lallana, Cann not fit - Markovic probably only 70/80% - Balotelli to come in
Big worry for me is who play with Gerrard - I imagine it will be Henderson when Lallana is back - and who is gonna start tracking these runners -
Saying that City could be saying the same thing yesterday if we had more composure, our runners got through about 4 times from deep on them yesterday but was never mentioned as we did f
k all with the run - Biggest worry for me is the lack of quality in the final 3rd - nothing is coming off and it seems slower than last year (nothing to do with Suarez) just seems the one touches and through balls are not coming off....m3sye said:
Worrying thing for me is what Neville and Carragher keep picking up on, the gap between defenders and the lack of moving across as a unit - it was the same against southampton, surely that is a quick fix?? simple instructions that the gap should between the next defender should never be anymore than x ??
Precisely and the correct analysis. I think the biggest signing that Rodgers could have done this summer was to secure a top class defensive coach to "teach" the art of defending. Someone needs to tell Skrtel the basics of defending is not holding on to other peoples shirts for example. This is something that happened time and again last season and I cannot believe it hadn't been sorted out sooner. A coach would have nipped it in the bud. We do need a defensive coach bringing in. BR needs help here, sure he's too proud to admit it and will sulk a but when it happens, but the owners have a responsibility to take action. At this rate we'll get taken apart in European games.
Let's see what the weekend brings. We've got to take at least a point from the Spurs game imo. These are the teams that we'll be fighting for a Top 4 place with. We're not going to compete for the title this year with so many new players so we need to focus on these games much more. Most teams will lose at City.
Let's see what the weekend brings. We've got to take at least a point from the Spurs game imo. These are the teams that we'll be fighting for a Top 4 place with. We're not going to compete for the title this year with so many new players so we need to focus on these games much more. Most teams will lose at City.
m3sye said:
paulrockliffe said:
I think what we’ve seen with the two teams selected is that Rodgers doesn’t want to play more than a few new players at once, which I can understand. As a result you have Johnson and Allen on the pitch, rather than Manquillo and Markovitch. There may be an argument for Cann to play ahead of Henderson or Gerrard in some games/formations, but he won’t get much game time while other players are being bedded in because the other two are known quantities. We saw last season how important it is to manage change properly, hopefully that’s what’s happening.
We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
Cann is not fit, you could tell that when he came on We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
type-r said:
m3sye said:
Worrying thing for me is what Neville and Carragher keep picking up on, the gap between defenders and the lack of moving across as a unit - it was the same against southampton, surely that is a quick fix?? simple instructions that the gap should between the next defender should never be anymore than x ??
Precisely and the correct analysis. I think the biggest signing that Rodgers could have done this summer was to secure a top class defensive coach to "teach" the art of defending. Someone needs to tell Skrtel the basics of defending is not holding on to other peoples shirts for example. This is something that happened time and again last season and I cannot believe it hadn't been sorted out sooner. A coach would have nipped it in the bud. uk66fastback said:
type-r said:
m3sye said:
Worrying thing for me is what Neville and Carragher keep picking up on, the gap between defenders and the lack of moving across as a unit - it was the same against southampton, surely that is a quick fix?? simple instructions that the gap should between the next defender should never be anymore than x ??
Precisely and the correct analysis. I think the biggest signing that Rodgers could have done this summer was to secure a top class defensive coach to "teach" the art of defending. Someone needs to tell Skrtel the basics of defending is not holding on to other peoples shirts for example. This is something that happened time and again last season and I cannot believe it hadn't been sorted out sooner. A coach would have nipped it in the bud. Pommygranite said:
I love the way everyone's got the100% right opinion as if they're all experts and professional players/coaches could learn from their wisdom
Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
It was obvious to everyone except Bren and his coaches we had a problem on the left the minute he announced the team, its not opinion its a fact based on the layout and players picked - the only thing that would have been different on the pitch would have been if it had worked, it didn't and we were beaten down the left (interestingly not down useless Glens side). What I cant get my head around (based on my age and the fact I am not a loved up fan boy) is how a pro manager / coach etc cannot see what we see. Its not just a one off, granted its happening less and less but last night was a reminder of his early period in charge.Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
London424 said:
m3sye said:
paulrockliffe said:
I think what we’ve seen with the two teams selected is that Rodgers doesn’t want to play more than a few new players at once, which I can understand. As a result you have Johnson and Allen on the pitch, rather than Manquillo and Markovitch. There may be an argument for Cann to play ahead of Henderson or Gerrard in some games/formations, but he won’t get much game time while other players are being bedded in because the other two are known quantities. We saw last season how important it is to manage change properly, hopefully that’s what’s happening.
We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
Cann is not fit, you could tell that when he came on We also saw that once the game was gone, players that need to learn the system were put on so at least we gained something from the game.
Any news on Moreno’s injury?
Pommygranite said:
I love the way everyone's got the100% right opinion as if they're all experts and professional players/coaches could learn from their wisdom
Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
I looked on youtube to see if there were any clips showing the difference in defence before and during Tony Pulis's reign at Crystal Palace.Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
I watched an interview where Pulis said he knew he could score against us last season. That Liverpool tried to outscore their opponent and the tactics were very gung ho.
Palace scored 3 and we went from 3-0 to 3-3.
As fans we asked for a commanding centre back. We bought Lovren. Now people are questioning him, 2 games in to the season and he has played 3 games with Skrtel. 3 games?!
Is it Rodgers's defensive tactics?
I don't understand your point regarding questioning managers and them being experts. In every sport you will get fans questioning managers and players. It's what is done.
Us mere mortals pick up on every mistake that they do
Where's our £28m CB Sakho gone? Flanagan should be starting all day long also, noticed he was up in the stands with the others, is he injured?
Can looked decent.. minus the quick yellow card and stupid dive of which Zabaleta rightly laughed in his face afterwards.
Watching Garrards off the ball movement was very disappointing. Felt he had a lazy performance.
Can looked decent.. minus the quick yellow card and stupid dive of which Zabaleta rightly laughed in his face afterwards.
Watching Garrards off the ball movement was very disappointing. Felt he had a lazy performance.
BlackST said:
Pommygranite said:
I love the way everyone's got the100% right opinion as if they're all experts and professional players/coaches could learn from their wisdom
Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
I don't understand your point regarding questioning managers and them being experts. In every sport you will get fans questioning managers and players. It's what is done.Easy to sit on a forum spouting advice - very different on the pitch.
Us mere mortals pick up on every mistake that they do
London424 said:
Having played that position and being just as one footed, his error wasn't really not using his right foot (though that would have been better) the main error was waiting for the ball rather than attacking it.
Ah ok 15-18 it is. Agreed though, would like to see them two in the centre. Add Flanno and a settled left back I'd say that wasn't bad back line up at all. For me the problem is finding a strong and balanced midfield. Once Can, Lallana and Markovic are all playing I think we'll be a much stronger team.
Cbull said:
Ah ok 15-18 it is. Agreed though, would like to see them two in the centre. Add Flanno and a settled left back I'd say that wasn't bad back line up at all. For me the problem is finding a strong and balanced midfield. Once Can, Lallana and Markovic are all playing I think we'll be a much stronger team.
Flanno injured too To much been made of this defeat - big time...
mistakes cost us - end of, we let them in to much and had individual errors
Then at the other end we just didnt click -
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