The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]

[Cie]

lols

[Challo]

GALLARDOGUY said:

Good luck with that.

He's got a hard on for Real.

The whole world knows it.

If it goes through its a decent signing. Lots of rumours about wages and I doubt he is on 350k a week.

[hornetrider]

Well. Whichever way you look at it LvG has no excuses now. He's been backed with massive investment so really should be winning the title.

[Adam B]

Challo said:

If it goes through its a decent signing. Lots of rumours about wages and I doubt he is on 350k a week.

Sitting on a train back home reading the Evening Standard drunk. But please tell me I am not so drunk that Falcao was on £450k per week tax free, and Utd will pay £300k per week with Monaco paying the difference

Mental

Edited by Adam B on Monday 1st September 23:42

[BlackST]

Highly doubt Utd will be paying him £350k a week.

Lucas and Borini stayed I see. Bit gutted Borini didn't leave, especially when we had £14m on the table for him a few weeks ago.
Not a bad squad for the season ahead. Actual players who can come off the bench and do a job now.

[London424]

hornetrider said:

Well. Whichever way you look at it LvG has no excuses now. He's been backed with massive investment so really should be winning the title.

Haven't they only spent about 30 mil more than Liverpool?

Think Brendan needs to be winning the league finishing second last year and then getting that kind of money

[hornetrider]

London424 said:

Haven't they only spent about 30 mil more than Liverpool?

Think Brendan needs to be winning the league finishing second last year and then getting that kind of money

We've only spent about 30 mil

[Sargeant Orange]

Quite correct, LVG has the most expensive premier league squad ever assembled, so will be interesting to see how he pieces it together.

I'm still more comfortable with our transfer policy despite calls for big names all the time. It's more sustainable in the long run than paying vast sums for or to players who will be going for peanuts at the end of their contracts (RVP/Fellani/Rooney/Falcao).

Who here would have been comfortable with us paying £350k p/w to Falcao? You only have to look at the GJ situation to see how it can play out

[phil_cardiff]

hornetrider said:

Well. Whichever way you look at it LvG has no excuses now. He's been backed with massive investment so really should be winning the title.

Superb drive through extra cover.

[RWD cossie wil]

End of the day top flight football is a business first & a sport second, much as any top level sport now.

The 0's on the end of figures paid/received mean nothing really, it's just a % cost weighed up against potential gain. Same as any business really, do you try to grow slowly & organically or shove in huge investments hoping to hit the big time?

There is only one person to blame, and sad as it sounds it is the common man who keeps bending over & paying the stupid prices to watch a game from outer space in a seat behind a pillar etc.

There's talk above of "hospitality" tickets into the £1000s, I mean is it REALLY worth that for a 90 minute game & a few cheese & pineapple sticks & a pork pie???

Vote with your feet, but no one will & the sheep will keep flocking, and the clubs will keep charging.

[London424]

hornetrider said:

London424 said:

Haven't they only spent about 30 mil more than Liverpool?

Think Brendan needs to be winning the league finishing second last year and then getting that kind of money

We've only spent about 30 mil

Hmm...I don't remember those comments on the Spurs thread last year...can't have it both ways old chap.

[uk66fastback]

RWD cossie wil said:

End of the day top flight football is a business first & a sport second, much as any top level sport now.

The 0's on the end of figures paid/received mean nothing really, it's just a % cost weighed up against potential gain. Same as any business really, do you try to grow slowly & organically or shove in huge investments hoping to hit the big time?

There is only one person to blame, and sad as it sounds it is the common man who keeps bending over & paying the stupid prices to watch a game from outer space in a seat behind a pillar etc.

There's talk above of "hospitality" tickets into the £1000s, I mean is it REALLY worth that for a 90 minute game & a few cheese & pineapple sticks & a pork pie???

Vote with your feet, but no one will & the sheep will keep flocking, and the clubs will keep charging.

No, no, you're totally wrong! The man to blame is the one sat at home at 5.30 on a Sat, 12.45 on a Sunday or 4pm on that day, with his feet up, beer in hand, watching it on his 50" TV or his iPad or tablet or whatever paying £xx a month to Sky - THAT is where the money comes from - not from gate admissions - although that is quite a bit as well.

It's TV money that has *ruined* the game - or made it better - depending on your view.

The aim is still the same - get the fecker in the goal.

[anonymous-user]

Sargeant Orange said:

I'm still more comfortable with our transfer policy despite calls for big names all the time. It's more sustainable in the long run than paying vast sums for or to players who will be going for peanuts at the end of their contracts (RVP/Fellani/Rooney/Falcao).

Ok, with just shirt and training ground sponsors, we bring in 150m per year. The payments for the interest on the debt are 20m a year.

Even with tax etc we could spend 90-100m a year on transfers/wages before we even went into TV money, CL money (if we get back in) and our other commercial deals.

It's pretty sustainable and we won't need this level of investment every year either.

[hornetrider]

London424 said:

Hmm...I don't remember those comments on the Spurs thread last year...can't have it both ways old chap.

[RWD cossie wil]

uk66fastback said:

No, no, you're totally wrong! The man to blame is the one sat at home at 5.30 on a Sat, 12.45 on a Sunday or 4pm on that day, with his feet up, beer in hand, watching it on his 50" TV or his iPad or tablet or whatever paying £xx a month to Sky - THAT is where the money comes from - not from gate admissions - although that is quite a bit as well.

It's TV money that has *ruined* the game - or made it better - depending on your view.

The aim is still the same - get the fecker in the goal.

Of course the counter argument there is that the price of one "good" game for a dad & two sons would cover the purchase cost of that 50" TV, a years sky subscription & a crate or two of beer.

[uk66fastback]

hornetrider said:

Well. Whichever way you look at it LvG has no excuses now. He's been backed with massive investment so really should be winning the title.

He should, but he's already said it'll take a year (after it was three months etc) - and so has taken the heat off himself ...

If they don't even get top four with this squad, LvG WILL be gone - he has to be

However, I expect them to now the bds!

But it ain't gonna be a walk in the park, they'll leak goals and injuries will happen

[RedTrident]

RWD cossie wil said:

Of course the counter argument there is that the price of one "good" game for a dad & two sons would cover the purchase cost of that 50" TV, a years sky subscription & a crate or two of beer.

Even though the figures just don't add up using this counter argument? This isn't really about ticket prices. Utd have more money to spend because they are much better at selling their brand. Whatever I think of them at least their spend is driven by income from the business unlike City and Chelsea.

8 times out of 10, we're shopping at a lower level because we don't have the income to compete. Whilst the way we do business has improved, to get to the next tier of income we need to start winning trophies again. To win trophies, you ordinarily need to have an extraordinary manager that can compensate for not having the most expensive players (Rafa 2005) or a team full of extraordinary talent that will even compensate for an average manager (Manchini at City). Having both a competent manager and access to funds to bring in world class talent will always mean you're there or there abouts (Mourinho at Chelsea).

For us to compete this year, we need BR to compensate for our financial handicap that prevents us from buying proven world class talent.

[m3sye]

We sell our brand now as good as anyone ! UTD get more as they have a bigger fan base and have always Competed at the top! More successful we become more we generate from marketing deal! Only in the last year I have witnessed out twitter fan base rise by 25%

You also need to be careful buying the champs league without a sugar daddy or being UTD , we all do remember Leeds done we. I am more than happy with our transfer dealings this year ! Would I like Falco , course yes but i would also like Messi, we we are liverpool not UTD or Barca , this is not a playstation game, we can sustain buying like that, if it went wrong we would be fked !!!

[curlie467]

m3sye said:

We sell our brand now as good as anyone ! UTD get more as they have a bigger fan base and have always Competed at the top! More successful we become more we generate from marketing deal! Only in the last year I have witnessed out twitter fan base rise by 25%

You also need to be careful buying the champs league without a sugar daddy or being UTD , we all do remember Leeds done we. I am more than happy with our transfer dealings this year ! Would I like Falco , course yes but i would also like Messi, we we are liverpool not UTD or Barca , this is not a playstation game, we can sustain buying like that, if it went wrong we would be fked !!!

Absolutely.
We are doing ok, we have been sticking to our guns and if something doesn't suit us financially then we walk and that is a good thing.
We don`t have Utds revenues or Chelsea and Citys gazillions.
Recently we have got rid of some high earners that weren`t doing it for us and we have assembled a decent (hopefully) squad that the majority of us are happy with (give or take) and we can maybe continue with european football.

I know it is early on but I think Chelsea are going to be extremely tough to beat and I simply cannot bet against them for the title, City are still beatable though as has already been proven, Utd will get much much better and I would put them in the top four which leaves a dogfight for 4th as i think Arsenal are there for the taking.

[DJRC]

City are beatable, indeed I would expect to beat them at home. Chavski look strong, Fabregas and Costa are superb buys for them...if Cesc was available I would have liked us to have been in for him but c'est la vie. I see no reason why we can't beat them at home though. This season for me depends on home form, beat your rivals at home then take as much as you can at theirs. The smaller teams should be yours before the game starts. This was always how Fergie had his teams and the opposition thinking. City are still not a team they are a group on talents. Jose builds teams, it's what makes his new Chavski dangerous I don't think they will drop many points to Stoke Villa Swansea etc on cold Tuesday nights in Nov and Jan, whereas City always will. BR has forged a team that is now thinking that they KNOW how to ensure they take those horrible points, that puts it back on the 8 home/away games. Utd will drop points all season so will City but City will make them up in the big games. Chavs won't drop many points and Arse are I think a bit of a wildcard.

I think we are top 3 with Chavs fav