The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]

[revrange]

RedTrident said:

Lifted but seems accurate. With the loan fees and saving on wages we'll have saved another 10 million or so. Our net spend can't be more than 25 million. So my question really is - where has all the new TV money and Champions League money gone?

Confirmed Liverpool FC Transfers, Season 2014/15

Players IN:

Rickie Lambert – Forward – Southampton – £4m
Emre Can – Midfielder – Bayer Leverkusen – £10m
Adam Lallana – Midfielder – Southampton – £25m
Lazar Markovic – Forward – Benfica – £20m
Dejan Lovren – Defender – Southampton – £20m
Divock Origi – Forward – Lille – £10m
Javier Manquillo – Right-back – Atletico Madrid – Loan
Alberto Moreno – Left-back – Sevilla – £12m
Mario Balotelli – Forward – AC Milan – £16m

Spent: £117m



Players OUT:

Luis Suarez – Barcelona – £75m
Conor Coady – Huddersfield £375k
Pepe Reina – Bayern Munich – £2m
Martin Kelly – Crystal Palace – £2m
Kris Peterson – FC Utrecht – NA
Jack Robinson – QPR – £1m
Daniel Agger – Brondby – £3m
Kristian Adorjan – Novara Calcio – NA

Received: £83.375m



LOANED:

Luis Alberto – Malaga CF – Season Loan
Iago Aspas – Sevilla – Season Loan (with view to permanent deal)
Andre Wisdom – West Brom – Season Loan
Rafa Paez – Bologna – Season Loan
Divock Origi – Lille – Season Loan
Tiago Ilori – Bordeaux – Season Loan
Brad Smith – Swindon Town – Season Loan
Joao Carlos Teixeira – Brighton – Season Loan
Jordon Ibe – Derby County – Season Loan
Sebastian Coates – Sunderland – Season Loan
Ousamma Assaidi – Stoke City – Season Loan

I agree the net outlay isn't huge, but i believe some powder has been kept dry.

The problem facing clubs is very often the players they want can't be brought at the right price at that point. Yes you can spend like UTD have to get players in but you pay a huge premier to achieve this. Our owners have made it clear this isn't how they roll, so they will now work towards the next transfer windows


Also look at some of those loan out players. Origi, Smith, Teixeriam Ibe and Illori are all highly rated and will hopefully next season be akin contributions to the 1st team, the club may take the view why buy (if they can find one) a £20m striker when Origi is coming next year.

[hornetrider]

n_const said:

Cbull said:

Regarding the point of being a 4th choice striker. Isn't that why we have a youth team?

Please name me a youth striker that's good enough for our senior team ?

Also, youth players need game time to develop (or show they're not good enough at the top level for someone else!), hence why they go on loan. See Alberto, Teixera, Ibe, Ilori, Wisdom, Suso, Pacheco etc etc etc. Look at Chelsea's massive loan programme. There's no point in them rotting in the reserves/on the bench when we now have such depth of quality in the matchday squad.

We need four strikers with four competitions to go at, because when Sturridge is inevitably injured we're going to need the bodies.

[Pommygranite]

RedTrident said:

hornetrider said:

Amen. Can't believe the quantity of keyboard mashing going on over such a minor issue. Oh wait, yes I can

Can't help yourself can you? Since when was 14 million plus another 2 or 3 in wages a minor issue?

But RT, its irrelevant - we havent received 14m - it was the bid, he didnt go, we didnt get it - move on.

You're so focused on what we received and spent as if the financials will dictate all our successes. There is no doubt quality players cost but trying to equate our success based on the fact you believe would should be spending every last quid of revenue and some is tiring. You keep hammering over and over again what we spent and what we're getting and that if we're not outspending ourselves then we wont be successful.

I rarely hear, in the many years on here anything positive from you about the team, the manager, the club - apparently we fail at every turn to do the right thing in your eyes.

Compared to where we were 3 years ago - nearly winners, new stadium in development,substantially enhanced squad, great football, real contenders and a much more positive sense of the future - and we're miles ahead.

I wish you would cheer up, start being more positive about the team and get behind whats happening instead of perpetually whining that the experts decisions dont match your amateur views.

[hornetrider]

Pommygranite said:

instead of perpetually whining that the experts decisions dont match your amateur views.

[m3sye]

Remember we have to sign all the big names to win the league or get in the top 4 ! If were not paying out 30m for a player or he ain't on 200k a week he is st ! I for one would take any bet we are above UTD come May with or without all the "world stars"
I actually like being a team who cant spend 50m on a player it's more satisfying when you do well! Always had huge respect for teams like Dortmund and Athletico , people need to realise the identity of the team they actually "support" this is not championship manager but real life!
Keep up the good work FSG and Rodgers because most of us are with you !

To be critical of either of those 2 considering where we were in 2012 is unbelievable!

Edited by m3sye on Wednesday 3rd September 10:13

[anonymous-user]

m3sye said:

I actually like being a team who can spend 50m on a player

Me too!

[m3sye]

anonymous said:

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Dont know how you did that

[Busso GTA]

RedTrident said:

Can't help yourself can you? Since when was 14 million plus another 2 or 3 in wages a minor issue?

It became minor when nothing else can now be done about it till we can offload him , so all the crying about it solves nothing , always the negative and thread derailment round here , we all know he is not up to scratch but he is here for the time being whether we like it or not so suck it up and move on be positive we have a much better team than we have had for a long time Borini is nothing but a blip in the bigger scheme

[jammy_basturd]

m3sye said:

I actually like being a team who cant spend 50m on a player it's more satisfying when you do well! Always had huge respect for teams like Dortmund and Athletico , people need to realise the identity of the team they actually "support" this is not championship manager but real life!
Keep up the good work FSG and Rodgers because most of us are with you !

Fully agree. I see as us being synonymous with Atletico, Dortmund and Ajax, the perennial underdogs but those which invest astutely in players time after time. If you get the infrastructure at the club right, those three clubs have shown that you can compete both domestically and in Europe without having to spend £50m+ on "star signings". I think we're well on track to getting the infrastructure right at LFC.

[m3sye]

Thing that makes no sense to me is we were not going to buy anyone else so why the hell does it matter to us if there is 14m & 50k a week saved - we support Liverpool, we want them to win having an extra striker as cover is better for us as supporters than hearing we have a few extra £0's in the bank - Ill say it again we have no one in youth as a forward anywhere near good enough ...so its him or no one and to vote no one is madness- we have 4 CB's so why would we not need 4 FW's -

[Legend83]

FWIW I personally have a soft spot for Borini after his fantastic cameo spell on loan to us when we were back in the Championship. He was quite obviously the best player on the pitch every game he played.

At the time he came on loan to us a previous Italy manager (can't remember name) said Borini had the potential to be the next Pippo Inzaghi.

He scored 6 in 9 for us (admittedly in the Championship).

I said this before, he will only thrive playing as a striker. Parma, then Roma then Liverpool played him out of position.

Also remember he seemed to be injured 70% of the time he was with you so never got a run of games or a chance to get fully fit. While at Sunderland his scoring ratio was not brilliant, let's face it Sunderland were st so goal-scoring chances will have been at a premium.

The guy is also only 23.

I think he has been stupid here though. He must know even if he wanted to fight for his place in the Liverpool first team he is going to get a few games at best.

What he needs is a full season as the number one striker at a lower level club to prove his potential.

Far easier it would seem, to have a smaller shot at game time for a bigger club, with the fall back of a nice wage even if breaking into the team doesn't pay off...

Disappointing.

[jammy_basturd]

Again I have to agree. I think when it was clear that Borini wasn't going to go, that's when they decided to let Peterson go. He (Peterson) did OK in pre-season, surprised we didn't just loan him.

[m3sye]

Victor Valdes could still be happening -

[DSLiverpool]

BlackST said:

Utd's new formation

This !! watch and giggle chaps

[anonymous-user]

jammy_basturd said:

Fully agree. I see as us being synonymous with Atletico, Dortmund and Ajax, the perennial underdogs but those which invest astutely in players time after time. If you get the infrastructure at the club right, those three clubs have shown that you can compete both domestically and in Europe without having to spend £50m+ on "star signings". I think we're well on track to getting the infrastructure right at LFC.

So you are more than happy to perpetuate the issue by making 40+m on Suarez as long as you don't spend it all on 1 player? Rather being very altruistic by stripping a small club like Southampton bare?

You guys!! An example to us all.

[Adam B]

epom said:

A point made earlier was that playing with Sunderland or QPR and slogging it out in relegation battles would do nothing for Borini's career, and he prefers to stay in the limelight and get some game time with Liverpool. Well I for one certainly couldn't argue with a young man for doing that. It's his life, his career he should get a choice in it, not let others (those who gave him the contract, the club) or some expert keyboard warriors decide his face doesn't fit.

Oh I totally understand why he wanted to stay, anyway what's done is done - he is a LFC player still so I will support him, hope he proves me and others wrong and bags a handful of League/FA cup goals.

And I hope he is here because he thinks he is good enough and wants to work his socks off to become a viable first teamer, not becasue he turned his nose up to the other options.

[jammy_basturd]

anonymous said:

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Perpetuate what issue?

I've said what I have to say on Southampton. They didn't HAVE to sell any players, they had those players under contract. They got the price they were happy to sell for.

[anonymous-user]

jammy_basturd said:

Perpetuate what issue?

I've said what I have to say on Southampton. They didn't HAVE to sell any players, they had those players under contract. They got the price they were happy to sell for.

The issue of ridiculously high transfer fees.

It comes across as

"We don't like this and we are proud to be a proper down to earth club who doesn't participate in such nonsense, aren't we wonderful and grass roots!"

"Oh you want one of our players? Then you will have to pay 3 times as much as we paid for him"

[jammy_basturd]

I have no problem with clubs that do want to spend trends if millions on one player, or many. I'm busy glad we're generally a club that tries to buy players with potential and then turn them into world class players.

Although on the issue you brought up, I do think the valuations of all players are becoming obscene and the wages being paid, but that's not going to change all the while their is so much TV money around.

[Kitchski]

jammy_basturd said:

I do think the valuations of all players are becoming obscene and the wages being paid, but that's not going to change all the while their is so much TV money around.

It's not obscene, it's sickening.