The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]
Discussion
RedTrident said:
Why would anyone expect that this manager has any clue of how to play at this level? As for relying on Sturridge to magically fix it all, absolute nonsense. There's 120 million pounds worth of new talent at his disposal.
With the money spent I would have liked to see some first 11 players come straight in and make an impact.Lallana looks a nailed on starter, love seeing him play and he isn't even 100% yet.
Moreno looks good.
Manquillo has done well.
Lovren, undecided as of yet.
Enre Cann looks decent.
Markovic looks good with space in front of him. Think he will come good.
Origi, we will see when he comes to us.
Balotelli, wrong signing. Not a player we needed.
Rodgers as a manager.
Defensively doesn't seem the best.
Attacking wise at the moment is sticking with Balotelli when the previous games haven't shown much hope of improving.
Seems to favour going all out attacking. Gary Neville said he doesn't think our side is mature enough to go to Basel, be strong defensively and hit on the counter. That was before the game.
Luis Alberto. Won't be back at Liverpool.
Iago Aspas. Less said the better.
I'd say our season is resting on Sturridge's shoulders because we don't have another striker who looks like he can score every game.
DSLiverpool said:
He has the benefit of his entourage and all manner of analysis Shanks Paisley never had so surely it galls a bit when the tactical genius that is Souey gets the issue spot on and Stevie G admits they weren't up fir it.
The latter makes me question his motivational skill
Joking & wumming aside, Rodgers was aided last season by a fantastic strike force & basically opposing teams committing footballing suicide when lining up against Liverpool.The latter makes me question his motivational skill
I feel teams are lining up far more defensive against Liverpool & not allowing Rodgers style of play to flourish , ( except Spurs of course )
He has decent players on board & it's just a matter of time for all the new players to gel .
DSLiverpool said:
RedTrident said:
Why would anyone expect that this manager has any clue of how to play at this level? As for relying on Sturridge to magically fix it all, absolute nonsense. There's 120 million pounds worth of new talent at his disposal.
He has the benefit of his entourage and all manner of analysis Shanks Paisley never had so surely it galls a bit when the tactical genius that is Souey gets the issue spot on and Stevie G admits they weren't up fir it.The latter makes me question his motivational skill
Black can man said:
Just a bit of fun fella, you should pop into the spuddie forum & have a butchers at hornet's efforts.
BTW BlackST Focus ?
True I don't venture into Spurs's forum when our form is bad BTW BlackST Focus ?
Edited by Black can man on Wednesday 1st October 23:27
Not a Focus no. Just a Mondeo ST TDCi so not even a genuine ST
commuter car for the moment whilst saving for a house deposit then an E46 M3 is on the list 
Black can man said:
I feel teams are lining up far more defensive against Liverpool & not allowing Rodgers style of play to flourish , ( except Spurs of course )
He has decent players on board & it's just a matter of time for all the new players to gel .
I honestly don't know why Spurs played a high line against us. You don't play a high line against Liverpool with Sterling and Sturridge in the side. Play deep or quite defensive and it'd be hard to break the opposition side down, even more so with Balotelli atm.He has decent players on board & it's just a matter of time for all the new players to gel .
RedTrident said:
He's out of his depth. No idea how to set up a team never mind change a game. Carry on losing games with this regularity and playing in this manner and we'll have a new manager by Xmas.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have just trusted him with 120 millions pounds worth of signings if they were to get rid of him should his signings not have 'gelled' 5 or 6 games in. We will come good before Xmas, I'm sure of that.We still have a squad with an average age of <24 so it will need time, but as a fan who follows them week in week out, it can be frustrating at times.
if you want the best and rarest M3 colour I "might" sell Gerrard to me looks to have taken last seasons finale to heart and looks mentally shot, not helped by being played 3x a week.
The biggest concern defensively (apart from our central defenders & GK) is the way one straight ball from the opposition defence can bypass our midfield and lead to a 2 on 2 situation in the blink of an eye. That was an issue last season too. When Can is fit he has to come in straight away just to add some muscle, plus Allen for his energy.
We seem to be in the perfect storm of s
te at the moment, losing a top 3 player, trying to bed in too many signings, injury to our only goal threat, hangover from last seasons gas & a shambolic defence. The only upside is surely it has to get better.
The biggest concern defensively (apart from our central defenders & GK) is the way one straight ball from the opposition defence can bypass our midfield and lead to a 2 on 2 situation in the blink of an eye. That was an issue last season too. When Can is fit he has to come in straight away just to add some muscle, plus Allen for his energy.
We seem to be in the perfect storm of s
te at the moment, losing a top 3 player, trying to bed in too many signings, injury to our only goal threat, hangover from last seasons gas & a shambolic defence. The only upside is surely it has to get better. 
My personal view is that we need a completely new spine, which is the most important part of a team. Mignolet needs replacing. Skrtel needs replacing (yet again he was holding onto the shirt, concentraing on holding back the striker rather than defending the ball), we need a proper central defensive midfielder once Gerrard is quietly retired this summer (Mascherano/Alonso-esque) and we desperately need a Balotelli replacement already. Someone who can actually create space when there is none and bring others into play. In the short term, I think we would be benefit from a Carragher/Hyppia defensive coach. Someone who could bring world class experience and coach what we have already. Then in January, start rebuilding the spine by bringing in one or two new players.
We are in for a long hard season this year. There is simply no getting away from it.
We are in for a long hard season this year. There is simply no getting away from it.
Edited by type-r on Thursday 2nd October 08:54
type-r said:
There is simply no getting away from it.
Spot on sadly we have done a Spurs, even with Spurs as a lesson in how not to spend your money we copied it trusting Bren who far from having a vision had new teeth instead.If we had bought one player for any amount (Costa) we would be better off now, long term ? well it may come round but f
k me it looks very broken from here HOWEVER we will still muller weak clubs who try and attack us as proven early in the season. We need a YaYa and now!
RedTrident said:
At best very little to do with BR and more to do with Suarez. Average Grant was 1 kick away from winning the Champions League, where is he now?
I am not going to beat up on BR as hard as you.We were more than a one man side last year, and yes we are a weaker side now without one of the worlds best players in it, but i think the problems run deeper.
Bascially we had a first 11 last season, and i'll say it again, this is why we lost the league. We simply had zero squad depth, no one from the bench to change a game, Apsas and Moses just didn't cut the mustard. The players were dead on their feet by the end of the year, as they couldn't be rested.
And now because of Surez money and champion league we have attempted to build a squad in just a few months, and successfully begin rotating them.
Where i'll agree with you, is our manager has currently no experience of this, and keeping everyone happy. He seen it done while working under Jose, but not done it himself. But he is a young coach and in hiring a young coach there is one thing you are by its very nature doing without, experience. he is learning on the job rightly or wrongly. So some mistakes are going to happen (sterling playing 120 mins against middlesborough being one)
He has been very unlucky with injuries at the start of the season, which has disrupted attempts to settle the squad down.
He has many issues still to address, we need another quality striker with pace, centre backs still seem a mess, and we need a commanding goalie.
As other have said i think he will get it right soon enough, but sadly some painful nights in the meantime
It is plain that your manager got carried away with the hype of last season. After 'taming' one bad boy in Suarez, he believed that he could take on the ultimate challenge and get Balotelli to play with conviction for more than a couple of halves a season.
Balotelli was £16m for a reason.
Balotelli was £16m for a reason.
revrange said:
Where i'll agree with you, is our manager has currently no experience of this, and keeping everyone happy. He seen it done while working under Jose, but not done it himself. But he is a young coach and in hiring a young coach there is one thing you are by its very nature doing without, experience. he is learning on the job rightly or wrongly. So some mistakes are going to happen (sterling playing 120 mins against middlesborough being one)
I agree. BR is a young manager who is and will continue to make mistakes and hopefully if given the right amount of time, which I am sure Henry/Werner will do, experience and patience will yield the results in 2 or 3 years time. Experience in this years CL will be good however what is more important for him and Liverpool as a club, is that we get into the CL again next year and that I simply cannot see happening.Edited by type-r on Thursday 2nd October 09:04
I know it's probably heresy to say it in here but is the 'undroppability' (new word) of Gerrard what ultimately separates the Ferguson's and the Mourinho's from the others? With them, sentimentality didn't come into it, if it was your time to be moved on or dropped it didn't matter who you were.
I just don't know if it will ever happen with Gerrard at Liverpool unless he says it himself.
I just don't know if it will ever happen with Gerrard at Liverpool unless he says it himself.
One other thing, since I am on a roll, is that BR firmly believes in bringing in young, inexperienced players that have potential. Yes in theory that sounds nice and it makes him feel good when those talents bear fruit - maybe one or two will develop into real world class talents but for the 1 or 2 that do, 4 or 5 will remain average at best and will drag the team down and results down. He said during the window he didn't believe in bringing in £40m stars and whilst that is nice for the owners pockets, I think as is the case of Chelsea this year and Arsenal to some extent, a couple of proven talents that will help bring up and support the inexperience and youth around in the team.
I get the impression that he wants to build a sub-24 year old team that plays world class football and be hailed as a great manager for doing so. In theory it sounds nice but it just doesn't happen in reality. You need 3 or 4 experienced world class footballers (i.e. the spine of the team) and build around that with youth, pace and exuberance.
I get the impression that he wants to build a sub-24 year old team that plays world class football and be hailed as a great manager for doing so. In theory it sounds nice but it just doesn't happen in reality. You need 3 or 4 experienced world class footballers (i.e. the spine of the team) and build around that with youth, pace and exuberance.
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