The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]

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gadgetmac

14,984 posts

107 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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hornetrider said:
Snubs said:
I can't say i watch that much international football; is the stadium always half empty when England play qualifying matches? Has attendance declined? Or is there some weird ticketing arrangement in place?
This is my beef with Wemberley. In a spectacular failure of stadium design and planning they have put the prawn sandwich brigade directly opposite the cameras.

Thus they all disappear for a corporate munch at half time and shamefully don't bother returning until they can be arsed, if ever.
This x1,000

This needs addressing as it's an embarrassment at the 'home' of football.

The Hypno-Toad

12,249 posts

204 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Says something when on the evening of an England qualifier there are only nine posts on this thread. (Most of them from me! smile ).

I know it's Mothers Day but even so.

CooperD

2,851 posts

176 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Rather a workmanlike performance from England but it's still 3 more points.

mickk

28,772 posts

241 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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The Hypno-Toad said:
"England just need something to happen,"

Seriously Glenda, STFU. furious
As much as I loved him as a player the man is on a par with Owen/Townsend/Neville when it comes to commentating.

GloverMart

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11,773 posts

214 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Defoe's performance in his hour tonight, plus the goal, shows just what a gufftard Roy Hodgson was for not taking him to the Euros.

uk66fastback

16,457 posts

270 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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gadgetmac said:
hornetrider said:
Snubs said:
I can't say i watch that much international football; is the stadium always half empty when England play qualifying matches? Has attendance declined? Or is there some weird ticketing arrangement in place?
This is my beef with Wemberley. In a spectacular failure of stadium design and planning they have put the prawn sandwich brigade directly opposite the cameras.

Thus they all disappear for a corporate munch at half time and shamefully don't bother returning until they can be arsed, if ever.
This x1,000

This needs addressing as it's an embarrassment at the 'home' of football.
I presume where they go behind the scenes to get their prawn sandwiches, there are huuuuuge TVs showing the game, so if it's a cold night/day, why leave the bar, frankly?

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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hilly10

7,076 posts

227 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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ORD said:
I've watched 3 minutes so far and am almost dead of boredom. This sums up why I stopped watching England.
Same here nearly as bad as F1

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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England will never achieve anything until they sort out the qualifying and introduce seeded groups and pre-qualifying.

Because England are seeded, they are yet again in another group of second rate teams and dross. Which means every game the oppo will park the bus, show no ambition and England will consequently stroll round the pitch, winning every game - See Roy's 100% Euro Qualifying.

Then as soon as they play anyone decent, they get a rude awakening. They never get tested in qualifying, no weaknesses are indentifying and no tactics mastered. But because we always qualify, we always get seeded....

No disrespect but 1/3rd of the teams in the qualifying groups are just making up the numbers; Luxembourg, Belarus, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Andorra, San Marino, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Malta, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Albania, Gibraltar, Estonia, Kosovo, Finland, Scotland.....it's at the stage where the groups might be decided by who smashes the most goals past them.

Why don't they have a pre-qualifying tournament of all the lowest ranked teams, the winners then get a place in the qualifying proper? Then less qualifying groups, with better teams in them. So that every game is then competitive.

It's all very well England getting an easy group, so that they are nailed on to qualify for the WC but they will have had no practise against anyone good and will consequently perform badly in the finals.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
Because England are seeded, they are yet again in another group of second rate teams and dross. Which means every game the oppo will park the bus, show no ambition and England will consequently stroll round the pitch, winning every game - See Roy's 100% Euro Qualifying.
A valid point but it doesn't seem to affect anyone else does it hehe

GloverMart

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11,773 posts

214 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
England will never achieve anything until they sort out the qualifying and introduce seeded groups and pre-qualifying.

Because England are seeded, they are yet again in another group of second rate teams and dross. Which means every game the oppo will park the bus, show no ambition and England will consequently stroll round the pitch, winning every game - See Roy's 100% Euro Qualifying.

Then as soon as they play anyone decent, they get a rude awakening. They never get tested in qualifying, no weaknesses are indentifying and no tactics mastered. But because we always qualify, we always get seeded....

No disrespect but 1/3rd of the teams in the qualifying groups are just making up the numbers; Luxembourg, Belarus, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Andorra, San Marino, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Malta, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Albania, Gibraltar, Estonia, Kosovo, Finland, Scotland.....it's at the stage where the groups might be decided by who smashes the most goals past them.

Why don't they have a pre-qualifying tournament of all the lowest ranked teams, the winners then get a place in the qualifying proper? Then less qualifying groups, with better teams in them. So that every game is then competitive.

It's all very well England getting an easy group, so that they are nailed on to qualify for the WC but they will have had no practise against anyone good and will consequently perform badly in the finals.
I'd agree with that to a point, Tekno, but surely every seeded team has that issue. France have Belarus & Luxembourg; Portugal have the Faroe Islands, Latvia & Andorra; Spain have Macedonia & Liechtenstein and Belgium have Cyprus, Estonia and Gibraltar!

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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hornetrider said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Because England are seeded, they are yet again in another group of second rate teams and dross. Which means every game the oppo will park the bus, show no ambition and England will consequently stroll round the pitch, winning every game - See Roy's 100% Euro Qualifying.
A valid point but it doesn't seem to affect anyone else does it hehe
Well there is only ever one winning country each tournament...so every other country has failed to some extent.

TEKNOPUG

18,844 posts

204 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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GloverMart said:
I'd agree with that to a point, Tekno, but surely every seeded team has that issue. France have Belarus & Luxembourg; Portugal have the Faroe Islands, Latvia & Andorra; Spain have Macedonia & Liechtenstein and Belgium have Cyprus, Estonia and Gibraltar!
France also have Netherlands & Sweden, Portugal have Switzerland, Spain have Italy. I just think, for England at least, it's counter-productive being seeded and having an easy qualifying group. We'd be better off not being seeded and in a group with a couple of other decent country's.

And yes, I agree, every seeded team has that issue, which is why it should be addressed. It would also make for competitive matches for the lesser countries as they will be playing similar standard sides in a group they can actually win, for a chance against the bigger countries. As opposed to being smashed every game and hoping not finish bottom of the group.

GloverMart

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11,773 posts

214 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
GloverMart said:
I'd agree with that to a point, Tekno, but surely every seeded team has that issue. France have Belarus & Luxembourg; Portugal have the Faroe Islands, Latvia & Andorra; Spain have Macedonia & Liechtenstein and Belgium have Cyprus, Estonia and Gibraltar!
France also have Netherlands & Sweden, Portugal have Switzerland, Spain have Italy. I just think, for England at least, it's counter-productive being seeded and having an easy qualifying group. We'd be better off not being seeded and in a group with a couple of other decent country's.

And yes, I agree, every seeded team has that issue, which is why it should be addressed. It would also make for competitive matches for the lesser countries as they will be playing similar standard sides in a group they can actually win, for a chance against the bigger countries. As opposed to being smashed every game and hoping not finish bottom of the group.
Ah right, I'm with you now. Our qualifying groups seem to be particularly "easy" whereas other seeded teams end up with at least one other decent team in there.

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
France also have Netherlands & Sweden, Portugal have Switzerland, Spain have Italy. I just think, for England at least, it's counter-productive being seeded and having an easy qualifying group. We'd be better off not being seeded and in a group with a couple of other decent country's.
agree it would be better seeding by performance/progression in tournaments rather than total games won or FIFA ranking (not sure how its done), then Italy would be seeded in top group and England presumably would not

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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So what with the clocks going forward and watching England, that's 2 and a half hours lost yesterday.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
So what with the clocks going forward and watching England, that's 2 and a half hours lost yesterday.
Well 90 minutes of that was by your own choice.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
France also have Netherlands & Sweden, Portugal have Switzerland, Spain have Italy. I just think, for England at least, it's counter-productive being seeded and having an easy qualifying group. We'd be better off not being seeded and in a group with a couple of other decent country's.

And yes, I agree, every seeded team has that issue, which is why it should be addressed. It would also make for competitive matches for the lesser countries as they will be playing similar standard sides in a group they can actually win, for a chance against the bigger countries. As opposed to being smashed every game and hoping not finish bottom of the group.
Wouldn't that mean lower ranked sides definitely getting through to the finals, and hence just push the "problem" to the group stages of those?

Unless you perpetuate the ideas into the finals. And then you just artificially include low ranked teams who stand no chance (even less than England smile) in the knockouts?

The problem with England, IMO, is the dominance of the Premier League. We have too few genuinely talented players across all positions playing very regularly in the top flight. There's no competition for places in most (all?) positions. And I don't feel the drive to play for their country is as strong as it is for securing a place on the bench at a top team for a 6-figure a week pay packet.

I also think we've been trying too many different things in the last nigh on 20yrs. The last decent England manager who understood the English game and players and could get them playing as a team through respect, IMO, was Glen Hoddle.

I had hopes for Allardyce, but it seems that the sort of managers who are likely to be able to get something out of our home grown "talent" always have fairly hefty flaws (even looking at Hoddle and his predecessors perhaps). Maybe we just need to ignore those foibles a little more and persevere...

GloverMart

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11,773 posts

214 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Murph7355 said:
I had hopes for Allardyce, but it seems that the sort of managers who are likely to be able to get something out of our home grown "talent" always have fairly hefty flaws (even looking at Hoddle and his predecessors perhaps). Maybe we just need to ignore those foibles a little more and persevere...
I think the FANS would but the MEDIA wouldn't. As soon as anyone gets within arms length of the England job, the media would be out to find every little thing they had done wrong. Like you said, some of our top English managers had "issues"... Hoddle, Redknapp, even back to Venables.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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The biggest issue our managers have is that the players view international duty as a chore & would much rather be playing for their respective PL clubs.
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