The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]

[essayer]

E65Ross said:

From the BBC

Manager Hodgson said: "We'll find it hard to bring attendances back to very high levels because the opponents we're playing won't excite the public."

Bit harsh?

Harsh? It's England that don't excite the public

[hornetrider]

Massive, massive mistake making Rooney the captain. He's now undroppable, which is not a great position to be in when he's in such poor form and looking so pedestrian. I'd have still gone with Hart who can actually talk to the media instead of sounding like a semi-literate bellend.

[Adam B]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Mr Potato-Head will ps off

and we can drop the obnoxious granny shagger.

I make no pretence of liking the bloke,

you don't say!

Didn't watch the game as I had to wash my hair / watch paint dry but I hear Sterling was the stand out player and Rooney was crap (good penalty aside).

As for people saying Wooney shouldn't take the penalty - stupid beyond belief.

[E65Ross]

essayer said:

E65Ross said:

From the BBC

Manager Hodgson said: "We'll find it hard to bring attendances back to very high levels because the opponents we're playing won't excite the public."

Bit harsh?

Harsh? It's England that don't excite the public

That's my point!

[Piersman2]

Yet again Woy's after match interview did not inspire confidence.

When questioned on the fact that we only had 2 shots on target all game his immediate slightly angry response was to ask had they not seen all the Norwegian defenders throwing themselves in front of everything?

Stunning response, truly stunning. So this man thinks 2 shots on target against NORWAY is acceptable? Did he expect the Norwegian defenders to just stand there like mannequins and let us play round them?

Does he not realise that it's his teams job to play to get shots on target?

Every time I hear him interviewed after a game I wonder if he watched the same game as the rest of us? It was the same when he was at Liverpool, and the world cup, and again last night.

He's on a par with that spokesman that Saddam had!

[Alfahorn]

Piersman2 said:

Yet again Woy's after match interview did not inspire confidence.

When questioned on the fact that we only had 2 shots on target all game his immediate slightly angry response was to ask had they not seen all the Norwegian defenders throwing themselves in front of everything?

Stunning response, truly stunning. So this man thinks 2 shots on target against NORWAY is acceptable? Did he expect the Norwegian defenders to just stand there like mannequins and let us play round them?

Does he not realise that it's his teams job to play to get shots on target?

Every time I hear him interviewed after a game I wonder if he watched the same game as the rest of us? It was the same when he was at Liverpool, and the world cup, and again last night.

He's on a par with that spokesman that Saddam had!

I've just heard his comments and they are ridiculous. I've defended Roy as I believed he was the right man at the time for England, however last night England stank the place out. That was a disjointed, abject performance that lacked any passion or creativity. He's got it wrong, horribly wrong.

[zygalski]

This whole thing misses the point entirely & is superficial in the extreme.
At international level there is no "right man" for England. There is only the best scapegoat for Richard Scudamore.

[London424]

hornetrider said:

Massive, massive mistake making Rooney the captain. He's now undroppable, which is not a great position to be in when he's in such poor form and looking so pedestrian. I'd have still gone with Hart who can actually talk to the media instead of sounding like a semi-literate bellend.

What pisses me off the most is we still can't/don't learn from the last 15 years of wasting players by putting square pegs in round holes.

Seriously...how many more times are we going to do it!

Pretty much all the players are playing in club sides with a variation of 4-3-3/4-5-1...so what do we do, oh yes, 4-4-2.

Sterling has been the standout player for probably the last 5-7 England games and for Liverpool quite a bit longer...what do we do...oh yes...go play left wing mate! Just so we can accommodate other players!!

If the "big name" isn't the best player in the position he needs to play in, then drop him.

This really isn't that hard to figure out...is it?

[BlackST]

There isn't a right man, no, but there must be a manager out there who has an actual strategy to win a game or win by more than 1 goal.

Like somebody above said, it isn't just about the manager. The whole infrastructure needs ripping apart but that will never happen and aslong as premier league clubs are bringing in foreigners into the league we will be lightyears behind other countrys.

Top prospects that have came out of Liverpool's youth system in the past couple of years that have ended up nowhere or will end up in the lower leagues.

Adam Morgan
Nathan Eccleston
Jack Robinson
Andre Wisdom
Martin Kelly
Jay Spearing

At the moment we have Jordan Ibe who is young. Unsure if he will ever make it for Liverpool. May never make it in the premier league.

So much talent has came out of Southampton's academy/ youth system.
Why have they had a lot of success with their development system and what can be changed around the country to emulate what has been done there?

[m3sye]

I watched Sarah Beeny rather than that - Roy is a boring manager and yes we can all drum on about its the player etc but I see a lot of that team perform at such a higher level week in week out - why because the manager plays to their strengths -

I honestly think these older managers are become very outdated - someone young and bright, who gives them the freedom to play, to move to enjoy the game ..

Until then we will always be average at best.

[XCP]

What is the role of a captain on the field? What decisions does he take? I am guessing this is who takes free kicks, penalties etc, is that correct?

Or is it just a person to encourage the others?

Cricket and Rugby captains seem to make quite a lot of decisions and I wondered how this applied to Football.

[hornetrider]

m3sye said:

I watched Sarah Beeny rather than that

They were saying on the news earlier that the Bake Off had double the viewers.

m3sye said:

Roy is a boring manager and yes we can all drum on about its the player etc but I see a lot of that team perform at such a higher level week in week out - why because the manager plays to their strengths -

I honestly think these older managers are become very outdated - someone young and bright, who gives them the freedom to play, to move to enjoy the game ..

Until then we will always be average at best.

England will never achieve anything with Woy in charge. He's beyond ste.

[Black can man]

XCP said:

What is the role of a captain on the field? What decisions does he take? I am guessing this is who takes free kicks, penalties etc, is that correct?

Or is it just a person to encourage the others?

Cricket and Rugby captains seem to make quite a lot of decisions and I wondered how this applied to Football.

I always thought the captain should be the natural leader & one whom can inspire the rest of the team to do better.

Lets just face it the modern day English pro is more concerned about their Bank balances & tattoo's than representing their country .

I didn't see the game last night but if i was in i doubt i would have watched it.

[Black can man]

hornetrider said:

m3sye said:

I watched Sarah Beeny rather than that

They were saying on the news earlier that the Bake Off had double the viewers.

m3sye said:

Roy is a boring manager and yes we can all drum on about its the player etc but I see a lot of that team perform at such a higher level week in week out - why because the manager plays to their strengths -

I honestly think these older managers are become very outdated - someone young and bright, who gives them the freedom to play, to move to enjoy the game ..

Until then we will always be average at best.

England will never achieve anything with Woy in charge. He's beyond ste.

Thing is he was terrific at Fulham, i just don't know when or where he turned to ste.

[hornetrider]

He wasn't terrific at Fulham, he was terrific for Fulham. A low/mid-table side with no aspirations to do anything other than survive. Much like everywhere else. He's a mediocre manager, with mediocre abilities producing mediocre sides playing mediocre football. That's it.

[Black can man]

hornetrider said:

He wasn't terrific at Fulham, he was terrific for Fulham. A low/mid-table side with no aspirations to do anything other than survive. Much like everywhere else. He's a mediocre manager, with mediocre abilities producing mediocre sides playing mediocre football. That's it.

Are you saying he's mediocre ?

[hornetrider]

It's a tad generous I'll admit.

[The Don of Croy]

Luckily I know next to nothing about modern professional football...

...and thus would make a stand out England manager if asked (probably cheaper than Roy, too).

The game was enlivened by Milner (as is so often the case) - first he nobbles their captain, then he launches the ball off the sidelines well clear of any team-mate.

However, by that stage the lights had gone out on England's desire to advance (let alone win) so it was just a dreary run out for the new heroes in white.

At least Rooney proved an Englander can wallop a decent penalty once in a blue moon.

[m3sye]

Black can man said:

Thing is he was terrific at Fulham, i just don't know when or where he turned to ste.

Its about he sets up teams - at Fulham he was expected to lose more than he won - happy to nick a goal here and there - with England and Liverpool the fan and team emphasis should be about going for the opposition from the whistle - its not his game , he likes to worry to much about gaps, where this player should be where that player should b etc

Reina was not even allowed to roll the ball to his Fullbacks, he had to kick it long - fullbacks were not encouraged to get in the opposition box etc

Its all to do with how teams are set up

I bet no one would want him at Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc - tells you everything

[Cheib]

hornetrider said:

It's a tad generous I'll admit.

Isn't it just.

I think the FA are going to put up with him for the next two years because they know that they aren't going to find a decent manager who wants to manage this current squad. In two years time when some of these players are that bid older (and hopefully performing well for their clubs) it should be easier to find a decent manager.

Appointing Rooney as captain is a joke....has he ever put together two decent back to back performances for England ? First thing a captain has to do is lead by example.

He apparently got upset in last night's press conference when a journo dared mention that they only managed two shots on target.