The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]

[hornetrider]

Blib said:

And Greaves.

Just sayin'.

In happier news I note that there was a fundraising campaign for ole Greavsie to help him out with his medical expenses - last time I saw it had reached 33k. Good stuff.

[Black can man]

hornetrider said:

Blib said:

And Greaves.

Just sayin'.

In happier news I note that there was a fundraising campaign for ole Greavsie to help him out with his medical expenses - last time I saw it had reached 33k. Good stuff.

The club have got involved too, bout time as well.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Black can man said:

He's become the highest all time England goalscorer !


Comparing him to Messi & Ronaldo is nonsense as they are just on another planet & there has never been an English player that gets close to those two ever.


I'm no Rooney fan but i think everyone & even the ABU's out there really have to admire his achievement.

I agree with that. But that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed that he hasn't reached the levels of Messi & co. When he was 18 that looked like a distinct possibility.

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I agree with that. But that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed that he hasn't reached the levels of Messi & co. When he was 18 that looked like a distinct possibility.

As did Owen

The FA really are a joke and continue to be so, until there is massive reform within the organisation this will continue to happen

[hornetrider]

anonymous said:

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Owen faded badly after his injuries robbed him of all his pace. In fact, after he left us he did fk all really (albeit I think he should have got more opportunities at Real).

[greygoose]

anonymous said:

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The FA are a joke but I am not sure it is their fault Rooney didn't progress further, people like Ronaldo are incredibly driven and has transformed his body to be fit all the time, Rooney doesn't seem to possess the same dedication.

[anonymous-user]

greygoose said:

The FA are a joke but I am not sure it is their fault Rooney didn't progress further, people like Ronaldo are incredibly driven and has transformed his body to be fit all the time, Rooney doesn't seem to possess the same dedication.

I think Rooney in isolation you are correct, the fact of the matter is that many talented England players haven't performed to their potential in the national shirt, Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, the blame for me doesn't solely rest on the players.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

greygoose said:

The FA are a joke but I am not sure it is their fault Rooney didn't progress further, people like Ronaldo are incredibly driven and has transformed his body to be fit all the time, Rooney doesn't seem to possess the same dedication.

Rooney has admitted himself that he hasn't always prepared for tournaments in the right way. Plus I've never seem Messi & Ronaldo pictured with a cigarette on the go, or a kebab and chips.

Becoming a world great requires the initial talent (that Rooney maybe had) a complete lifestyle adaptation, and Rooney certainly hasn't done that.

[The Don of Croy]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

greygoose said:

The FA are a joke but I am not sure it is their fault Rooney didn't progress further, people like Ronaldo are incredibly driven and has transformed his body to be fit all the time, Rooney doesn't seem to possess the same dedication.

Rooney has admitted himself that he hasn't always prepared for tournaments in the right way. Plus I've never seem Messi & Ronaldo pictured with a cigarette on the go, or a kebab and chips.

Becoming a world great requires the initial talent (that Rooney maybe had) a complete lifestyle adaptation, and Rooney certainly hasn't done that.

From a different era I think Keegan showed what could be done by sheer graft - a small bloke with the rudiments became a European star. Hoddle had the talent but was it ever harnessed? But where would you place Best? And just how good would his image be if someone had been able to direct that awesome talent?

Anyhow, come the 'arise Sir Shrek' moment in the next 12 months he'll be set for life, but more to the point so will Lady Colleen.

At least it was properly smacked penalty - no messing, just warp nine into the rigging.

[cerb4.5lee]

hornetrider said:

Cobnapint said:

Not quite....

The BBC says:

What about compared to Gary Lineker?

Rooney edged ahead of Gary Lineker's 48 goals to close in on Charlton but, despite his wonderful achievement, the latter must still hold sway in terms of England greatness.

Lineker was a Golden Boot winner with six goals at the 1986 World Cup in Mexico, adding four goals at Italia 90, including the equaliser in the semi-final that England eventually lost on penalties to West Germany.

Rooney has scored only one goal in 11 appearances in the World Cup finals, against Uruguay in Brazil. Lineker's England goals came at a rate of one every 136 minutes compared to 162.5 minutes for the Manchester United forward. Charlton scored his at one every 193 minutes.

He also has only one assist, although he has created 18 chances in those three World Cups, whereas Lineker made an indelible mark in 1986. Ten goals in 12 games at a finals is an outstanding record.

Rooney deserves huge respect and admiration for his feats and, while this is not a criticism, he still comes in behind Charlton and Lineker.

Agree with all of that. Lineker's mark of goals in World Cups set him apart as different class.

[hornetrider]

The Don of Croy said:

At least it was properly smacked penalty - no messing, just warp nine into the rigging.

If he wanted his 50th to be truly remembered he should have dinked a Panenka.

[BrabusMog]

hornetrider said:

The Don of Croy said:

At least it was properly smacked penalty - no messing, just warp nine into the rigging.

If he wanted his 50th to be truly remembered he should have dinked a Panenka.

Did he shag your gran or something?

[Blib]

BrabusMog said:

hornetrider said:

The Don of Croy said:

At least it was properly smacked penalty - no messing, just warp nine into the rigging.

If he wanted his 50th to be truly remembered he should have dinked a Panenka.

Did he shag your gran or something?

Nicked his cake.

[greygoose]

anonymous said:

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Yes you do wonder what that group of players would have achieved in a German or French system.

[Challo]

Rooney for me is an England great and someone who has the all time goal scoring record now. He will never be seen at the same level as Messi or Ronaldo but he did have the potential just never seemed to have the dedication.

Linekar is an England Legend and his goal scoring record at major finals shows that.

[RichB]

The Don of Croy said:

... where would you place Best?

Moving on from Rooney, good luck to him by the way, and as someone who grew up watching George Best both at the Hammers when he was playing against us for Man Utd and later in his career for Fulham, in my opinion he is the most exciting footballer I've ever seen. His ball control and balance was sublime, the way he wrong footed defenders with a feint one way then the other was a joy to watch. I used to tingle (and shudder) when I saw Charlton, Law and Best run out at Upton Park, and of course I hated it when he scored, and he often did but wow what a player! Despite his alcoholism, for me he was number one.

[southendpier]

he doesn't only score but he also takes a mean corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akHpg7TBdo0&fe...

I think a big issue with Rooney is that not only has he not scored enough, at finals but has royally fked up some utterly golden chances in all those games.

Often leaves you with the impression he is both overrated, overpaid and over played.

We give players a shoe-in to pick up a billion caps and goals etc and when they are off form we don't drop them.

Good luck to him.

....as for Sterling's dive.....jeeeeesus what a cheat.

[hornetrider]

southendpier said:

....as for Sterling's dive.....jeeeeesus what a cheat.

Filthy Manc, what do you expect?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Re George Best, it's difficult to judge him as a great when his career was effectively over at 25. After all, if Owen has got a career ending injury 5 minutes after that goal against Argentina, we could be saying he was a world great, when it never panned out. And what about Duncan Edwards? What a player he was at 21.

In order for someone to be an all time great, they have to have had a proper career, into their 30s I reckon.

[zygalski]

I'd say Greaves was on his own as by far the most natural English goal scorer of the modern (post war) era, followed by Lineker & then Owen.