The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
Discussion
RichB said:
GloverMart said:
"Don't bother playing well, son, because we are going to choose another player who hasn't played much but looked good a year or two ago."
Sadly, that's already the case despite Hodgson proclaiming he was going to pick players on form.uk66fastback said:
Are you saying it'll be a toss up between Wheelchair and Drinkwater for a spot on the plane or is the Gooner in no matter what?
Cos Woy likes him ...
I think that unless Wheelchair is injured in friendlies between now and May 31st, Danny may as well get on down Thomas Cook and look for a cheap late deal. Cos Woy likes him ...
While I'm on a roll here, there's a graphic going around on Twitter tonight showing the win ratios of all six England managers who've been boss for 50 games.
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
That's an interesting stat. When managers are compared in the Prem of late, they've looked at the performances against fellow top six sides, not just beating Villa 8-0 etc. Some have come up well, others not so well.
Is this the case with Hodgson? ie we've beaten teams in the qualifiers (weaker sides) pretty much every time but as soon as we come up against someone half decent, we get trounced (in a competition - not a friendly) ... so his win ratio is good (against the lesser sides)
Is this the case with Hodgson? ie we've beaten teams in the qualifiers (weaker sides) pretty much every time but as soon as we come up against someone half decent, we get trounced (in a competition - not a friendly) ... so his win ratio is good (against the lesser sides)
The problem with playing Vardy up with Kane as part of a 2 and Rooney in behind (he will be starting) means you're then basically committed to a midfield diamond.
We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
London424 said:
The problem with playing Vardy up with Kane as part of a 2 and Rooney in behind (he will be starting) means you're then basically committed to a midfield diamond.
We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
good point but as rooney shows he can track back however i'm in agreement here. wilshire and alli are a difficult fit into the same team.We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
i think bertrand is a better choice than rose and walker, sorry but neither rose or walker are quite there defensively for me. i', sticking with clyne and bertrand as full backs and see them supprt the diamond to give that width.
dier is a certain starter for me in front of the back two full backs pushing on and i reckon sterlings' goose is cooked.
GloverMart said:
RichB said:
GloverMart said:
"Don't bother playing well, son, because we are going to choose another player who hasn't played much but looked good a year or two ago."
Sadly, that's already the case despite Hodgson proclaiming he was going to pick players on form.
The problem is Alli or Shrek in the forward centre mid position imo, and frankly there's no bad answer to that, they both have the ability to do well there behind what I really hope is our front two (ignoring that we have two English strikers 1 and 2 in the premiership's top scorer ranks is beyond foolish, especially as they are showing signs of playing together well)
GloverMart said:
While I'm on a roll here, there's a graphic going around on Twitter tonight showing the win ratios of all six England managers who've been boss for 50 games.
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Interesting stats.First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Is that competitive games only or includes all the pointless easy win friendlies Sven started with?
DuncanM said:
Having watched the cup final yesterday, and the game today, Rooney has to go, and would start for me.
We have very good players, but Rooney is different, like him or not.
And I would take Rashford - I mean, what do we have to lose? It is not like we are just tweaking a successful team is it? Play him, see what happens. We have very good players, but Rooney is different, like him or not.
Pommygranite said:
GloverMart said:
While I'm on a roll here, there's a graphic going around on Twitter tonight showing the win ratios of all six England managers who've been boss for 50 games.
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Interesting stats.First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Is that competitive games only or includes all the pointless easy win friendlies Sven started with?
GloverMart said:
Pommygranite said:
GloverMart said:
While I'm on a roll here, there's a graphic going around on Twitter tonight showing the win ratios of all six England managers who've been boss for 50 games.
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Interesting stats.First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Is that competitive games only or includes all the pointless easy win friendlies Sven started with?
I'm in agreeance on what's being said, Kane and Vardy make a great partnership up top. I don't think Wilshere should start in a wide CM or in a diamond formation, Henderson is the legs and workhorse in that position.
Nom de ploom said:
London424 said:
The problem with playing Vardy up with Kane as part of a 2 and Rooney in behind (he will be starting) means you're then basically committed to a midfield diamond.
We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
good point but as rooney shows he can track back however i'm in agreement here. wilshire and alli are a difficult fit into the same team.We will get taken to pieces by teams down the flanks (the decent ones anyway). Wilshere (who will be starting) and Alli aren't used to defending wide areas, and the full backs will be left 2 on 1 time after time.
i think bertrand is a better choice than rose and walker, sorry but neither rose or walker are quite there defensively for me. i', sticking with clyne and bertrand as full backs and see them supprt the diamond to give that width.
dier is a certain starter for me in front of the back two full backs pushing on and i reckon sterlings' goose is cooked.
Basically the team is going to be compromised in some way or another as the players that Roy WILL pick mean you have to make alterations elsewhere that is going to annoy either the fans/press/pundits.
GloverMart said:
It didn't specify, Pommy, but it is all games.
Lies, damn lies and statistics - would like to see how many of each's games are against teams outside the top 20 rankings. I suspect we didn't play Faroe Islands, San Marino etc much in the 1940s/50s when Winterbottom was managerGloverMart said:
Pommygranite said:
GloverMart said:
While I'm on a roll here, there's a graphic going around on Twitter tonight showing the win ratios of all six England managers who've been boss for 50 games.
First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Interesting stats.First thing I noticed, surely Greenwood should be above Hodgson because his win ratio was over a longer period.
Secondly, there's nothing really between Greenwood, Hodgson and Eriksson.
Thirdly, had Hodgson not switched Vardy up front late on instead of wasting him out wide, we would most likely have drawn, meaning his won ratio would have dropped to 58% and fourth out of six in the table.
Still, I suppose Sky can't upset Hodgson and England otherwise Nick Collins wouldn't get to ask all the TV questions at each presser!
Is that competitive games only or includes all the pointless easy win friendlies Sven started with?
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