The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
Wilshere could as easily turn out to be the star of the tournament, he hasn't played much so he won't be tired and is very passionate about England. I see no risk in taking him.
Other than the fact that if we get to the QFs or beyond, he's going to have to play 5 -7 games in a 3-4 week period. What actual evidence is there that that's Wilshire's forte?He rarely plays that many games in a season.
Bobby Charlton hasn't played much either and he's passionate about England. But I'd have concerns over his ability to cope also, given his lack of fitness. But fortunately we're not taking him.
London424 said:
I'm not saying they aren't talented, I'm saying it's a hell of a risk (that we seem to take every major tournament that ends up backfiring).
As you say, games are decided on the tiniest of margins, if you aren't fit you make more mistakes, you can't get to balls you normally would, or you're slightly out of position etc.
The point is, you need players to be match fit, not just capable of jogging round, it's the match sharpness, the speed of thought etc that comes with it.
I'll be supporting the team as I normally do but believe that we don't do ourselves any favours with team selections and we end up going away dissapointed. England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
There's no way England are a complete failure by not making the semis of every Euro, anyway, I've no time for what I call "Yes but people" As you say, games are decided on the tiniest of margins, if you aren't fit you make more mistakes, you can't get to balls you normally would, or you're slightly out of position etc.
The point is, you need players to be match fit, not just capable of jogging round, it's the match sharpness, the speed of thought etc that comes with it.
I'll be supporting the team as I normally do but believe that we don't do ourselves any favours with team selections and we end up going away dissapointed. England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
The England manager has worked with these players and knows them way better than us. lets trust him, trust the players and go for it.
As I've said EVERY player could claim to be injured. matches simply aren't won or lost on things like that, effort will overcome a niggling injury every single time, I heard the Irish have selected a player who broke his leg a month ago.
Some would say he is a waste of a place, I'd say he will probably be as useful as any player.
Why is Smalling going? he was sent off in the Cup Final, poor temperament, could've cost united the game, he could do the same against Russia, he shouldn't go! It's daft?
We have what we have, absolutely pointless even discussing others except to say I told you so if England flop.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 1st June 13:42
Thankyou4calling said:
London424 said:
I'm not saying they aren't talented, I'm saying it's a hell of a risk (that we seem to take every major tournament that ends up backfiring).
As you say, games are decided on the tiniest of margins, if you aren't fit you make more mistakes, you can't get to balls you normally would, or you're slightly out of position etc.
The point is, you need players to be match fit, not just capable of jogging round, it's the match sharpness, the speed of thought etc that comes with it.
I'll be supporting the team as I normally do but believe that we don't do ourselves any favours with team selections and we end up going away dissapointed. England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
There's no way England are a complete failure by not making the semis of every Euro, anyway, I've no time for what I call "Yes but people" As you say, games are decided on the tiniest of margins, if you aren't fit you make more mistakes, you can't get to balls you normally would, or you're slightly out of position etc.
The point is, you need players to be match fit, not just capable of jogging round, it's the match sharpness, the speed of thought etc that comes with it.
I'll be supporting the team as I normally do but believe that we don't do ourselves any favours with team selections and we end up going away dissapointed. England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
The England manager has worked with these players and knows them way better than us. lets trust him, trust the players and go for it.
As I've said EVERY player could claim to be injured. matches simply aren't won or lost on things like that, effort will overcome a niggling injury every single time, I heard the Irish have selected a player who broke his leg a month ago.
Some would say he is a waste of a place, I'd say he will probably be as useful as any player.
Why is Smalling going? he was sent off in the Cup Final, poor temperament, could've cost united the game, he could do the same against Russia, he shouldn't go! It's daft?
We have what we have, absolutely pointless even discussing others except to say I told you so if England flop.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 1st June 13:42
No, every player won't be injured, that's a complete nonsense. Yes they are likely to have a knock or so, but they aren't injured!
Well good luck to the Irish, I will assume he will be as useful as any other unfit player.
Smalling is going because there is pretty much no other option. He didn't get sent off for poor temperament, he got sent off by being a bit s
t and got in the wrong position (funnily enough in extra time when he was tired).
Having been told to shut up whinging and back the team, I hardly dare post here now.... 
But re the Ronaldo comparison and whether the Portuguese are clamouring for him to be left home as he is unfit. He's performed at the highest level all season therefore he merits his place in the Portugal squad. You could even throw Joe Ledley in there; he broke his leg four weeks ago and Chris Coleman has picked him. I'd go as far as to say Ledley going makes more sense than Wilshere.... Ledley has played all this season till his injury and has been an integral part of Wales' qualification. Wilshere hasn't.
Roy hasn't peed me off completely. I'm glad he ditched Walcott and Delph (although how Delph was in front of Noble, I don't know). I'm glad he's taken Rashford as a wild card and I'm also glad that he's gone with five strikers as our defence is so weak. But I'm disappointed that he has largely reverted to type and picked players who are clearly, CLEARLY, not in form for their club sides and selected one player who's not managed four games all season, let alone asking him to play four games in two to three weeks.
As an England fan who loves his country, but not as much as his club mind you, I'm entitled to an opinion and will express it on here till the mods kick me off.
But re the Ronaldo comparison and whether the Portuguese are clamouring for him to be left home as he is unfit. He's performed at the highest level all season therefore he merits his place in the Portugal squad. You could even throw Joe Ledley in there; he broke his leg four weeks ago and Chris Coleman has picked him. I'd go as far as to say Ledley going makes more sense than Wilshere.... Ledley has played all this season till his injury and has been an integral part of Wales' qualification. Wilshere hasn't.
Roy hasn't peed me off completely. I'm glad he ditched Walcott and Delph (although how Delph was in front of Noble, I don't know). I'm glad he's taken Rashford as a wild card and I'm also glad that he's gone with five strikers as our defence is so weak. But I'm disappointed that he has largely reverted to type and picked players who are clearly, CLEARLY, not in form for their club sides and selected one player who's not managed four games all season, let alone asking him to play four games in two to three weeks.
As an England fan who loves his country, but not as much as his club mind you, I'm entitled to an opinion and will express it on here till the mods kick me off.
Thankyou4calling said:
London424 said:
I just don't understand how tournament after tournament we keep picking players who are unfit! I don't really care about the make up of the squad but at least pick the players that can play 90 minuntes!
From what I've figured we have injury/fitness worries with:
Cahill
Wilshere
Henderson
Sterling (not played too much)
Rooney
Sturridge
That's a lot of players out of a squad that will need to play games in fairly short order.
The fact is that at the end of a season most players will be carrying a niggling injury, most players for most countries.From what I've figured we have injury/fitness worries with:
Cahill
Wilshere
Henderson
Sterling (not played too much)
Rooney
Sturridge
That's a lot of players out of a squad that will need to play games in fairly short order.
Wilshere could as easily turn out to be the star of the tournament, he hasn't played much so he won't be tired and is very passionate about England. I see no risk in taking him.
Sturridge is talented enough too, even if he only comes on for 20 minutes and as for citing Rooney and others, blimey, why not just take 11 players and be done!
It's a very good squad, they will be at least as fit and well prepared as other teams and will do well.
A hell of a lot of sides won't want to face England and that's a fact.
A quarter final place makes them one of the best 8 teams in Europe which is what i think they are, no team is going to beat us easily, nobody.
This tournament will be won and lost on the tiniest thing, a mistake, a mis
t, a brilliant goal, a great run, a goal line miss.That is what it'll come down to.
The players are easily fit enough and will be comfortably good enough.
I'm off to see them tomorrow night and I might well go to France too because as far as I'm concerned the time for talking about who should or shouldn't go has GONE.
Lets get behind the team (like Leicester fans did last season) and make others notice us. Greece won it not long ago too, tournament football doesn't require total fitness from every player. Do you think Ronaldo is 100% fit? I bet there aren't many Portugese saying to leave him at home.
COME ON ENGLAND !
Portugal will be a stake in the ground for me in how we are going to do. We need to begin the game with our starting line-up to play against Russia. If they play badly then i dont have much hope for us.
London424 said:
England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
Talk about a misplaced sense of entitlement, are you a Liverpool or Utd fan? 
England have reached the semi-finals twice in the entire history of the competition (its been held 14 times) and you think anything less is a complete failure?!
Unfortunately our national team is hampered by the fact that the Premier league is 65% foreigners and until that changes then I can't see us having any kind of entitlement to reach the last 4. (oh, and we are also hampered by rubbish managers, dubious squad selections, and strange tactics
)addey said:
London424 said:
England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
Talk about a misplaced sense of entitlement, are you a Liverpool or Utd fan? England have reached the semi-finals twice in the entire history of the competition (its been held 14 times) and you think anything less is a complete failure?!
Unfortunately our national team is hampered by the fact that the Premier league is 65% foreigners and until that changes then I can't see us having any kind of entitlement to reach the last 4. (oh, and we are also hampered by rubbish managers, dubious squad selections, and strange tactics
)
Challo said:
We should get past the Qtr Finals, and at least to the semi's if you look at other teams. Apart from France, Germany and Spain I dont see anyone else with much quality.
As I already mentioned:BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
DeltonaS said:
As I already mentioned:
BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
For those who are meeting Deltona for the first time, a few pointers.BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
Louis van Gaal is great.
Sir Alex Ferguson isn't that great.
Mourinho isn't great either.
Makes up childish nicknames.
Not worth your time.
Have fun.
addey said:
London424 said:
England should make the semi-finals of every Euro tournament, anything less than that and it's a complete failure.
Talk about a misplaced sense of entitlement, are you a Liverpool or Utd fan? England have reached the semi-finals twice in the entire history of the competition (its been held 14 times) and you think anything less is a complete failure?!
Unfortunately our national team is hampered by the fact that the Premier league is 65% foreigners and until that changes then I can't see us having any kind of entitlement to reach the last 4. (oh, and we are also hampered by rubbish managers, dubious squad selections, and strange tactics
)The only countries in Europe England should ever even be worrying about are Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands (not there) and Belgium (but only in very recent times).
The fact that we as a country seem to be happy to be mediocre or to be the underdog is a complete mystery to me.
Cie said:
DeltonaS said:
As I already mentioned:
BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
For those who are meeting Deltona for the first time, a few pointers.BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
Louis van Gaal is great.
Sir Alex Ferguson isn't that great.
Mourinho isn't great either.
Makes up childish nicknames.
Not worth your time.
Have fun.
You even got your pointers wrong, almost all of them. And you forgot Sir Eddie Wayward, who obviously did a massive job at ManU so far.
Speaking of childish; it seems to be quite hard for some to understand nuances, aka, that not everything in life is either black or white.
Have a great Euros.
Cie said:
DeltonaS said:
As I already mentioned:
BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
For those who are meeting Deltona for the first time, a few pointers.BELGIUM !!!
Just like most in the ManU thread, you seem to have a lack of insight in the inherent quality's of all parties involved, both wenn it comes the ones that have, and the ones that don't.
Louis van Gaal is great.
Sir Alex Ferguson isn't that great.
Mourinho isn't great either.
Makes up childish nicknames.
Not worth your time.
Have fun.
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