The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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ScottishExile said:
So IF Wales go on and win the competition, does that make England the bast team in Europe, given that they beat Wales in the group stage !
Everyone knows England are the best team and quite possibly in the world, it's just they haven't got a decent enough manager. Jeeesszzh do catch up. Turquoise said:
I think that's just blind optimism on your part I'm afraid.
No, I believe we are so near,, BUT,, so far.. I also believe English mentality towards losing needs to be looked at because coming second REALLY DOES SUCK. This tournament has proved that there is a difference between a strong squad and a strong team ( Wales , Greece and Denmark when they won it ). Roy found formations and players in previous games that worked. Eg, the Germany game we won months back, the one Rooney was not in. The managers just seem to have to tinker with a system that has appeared to of worked. If it works on the first occasion then at least try and carry on with it, it may just prove consistent and if it means leaving out Rooney then so be it. I believe having him in this Euro16 cost us dearly and so did Lothar Matthaeus when referring to our free relaxed play against them, without Rooney, in that friendly. As the saying goes,,, why rock the boat...Edited by throt on Wednesday 6th July 14:44
The squad isn't that strong. Which of our players would get into the Germany squad? The players don't have any national pride unlike Wales, Germany etc. Rooney went due to sponsor pressure, we were so much better without him prior to the tournament, as you say. The whole set up is rotten. FA big wigs with no experience of the game, a manager who quits and then looks genuinely put out that the country wants some answers, form players left at home, the list goes on and on.
Nothing is going to change unless the FA restructures from top to bottom, and thats not going to happen.
Nothing is going to change unless the FA restructures from top to bottom, and thats not going to happen.
Edited by Turquoise on Wednesday 6th July 15:13
We need a manager who stands by his decisions and doesn't bow to the power of the FA and the Premier League. He needs to look at the pool of players at his disposal and then choose the best formation and strategy to achieve the end goal of winning games and tournaments.
Yes they need to be able to change it when needed perhaps due to injury or we need a goal and need to change the formation but thats it. The team then spends their time together perfecting that formation, tactics so that everyone knows their jobs, and what they are supposed to do in the game.
None of this constant changing of formations, players, tactics, strategy, idea's from one week to the next. The pandering to the media, sponsors on which players they think they should play.
If the player doesn't fit into the formation, tactics or strategy then he doesn't play or get picked in the squad.
Look at Argentina. They have Higuain and Aguero both amazing strikers, but he doesn't try and fit them both into the team. They are specialist strikers so only 1 can play and the other sits on the bench. If this was Roy he would have probably asked Higuain to play wide right for us.
At International level you have specialists for that role, you dont take people who can do a job instead playing out of position.
Yes they need to be able to change it when needed perhaps due to injury or we need a goal and need to change the formation but thats it. The team then spends their time together perfecting that formation, tactics so that everyone knows their jobs, and what they are supposed to do in the game.
None of this constant changing of formations, players, tactics, strategy, idea's from one week to the next. The pandering to the media, sponsors on which players they think they should play.
If the player doesn't fit into the formation, tactics or strategy then he doesn't play or get picked in the squad.
Look at Argentina. They have Higuain and Aguero both amazing strikers, but he doesn't try and fit them both into the team. They are specialist strikers so only 1 can play and the other sits on the bench. If this was Roy he would have probably asked Higuain to play wide right for us.
At International level you have specialists for that role, you dont take people who can do a job instead playing out of position.
Challo said:
We need a manager who stands by his decisions and doesn't bow to the power of the FA and the Premier League. He needs to look at the pool of players at his disposal and then choose the best formation and strategy to achieve the end goal of winning games and tournaments.
Yes they need to be able to change it when needed perhaps due to injury or we need a goal and need to change the formation but thats it. The team then spends their time together perfecting that formation, tactics so that everyone knows their jobs, and what they are supposed to do in the game.
None of this constant changing of formations, players, tactics, strategy, idea's from one week to the next. The pandering to the media, sponsors on which players they think they should play.
If the player doesn't fit into the formation, tactics or strategy then he doesn't play or get picked in the squad.
Look at Argentina. They have Higuain and Aguero both amazing strikers, but he doesn't try and fit them both into the team. They are specialist strikers so only 1 can play and the other sits on the bench. If this was Roy he would have probably asked Higuain to play wide right for us.
At International level you have specialists for that role, you dont take people who can do a job instead playing out of position.
Correct, Challo.Yes they need to be able to change it when needed perhaps due to injury or we need a goal and need to change the formation but thats it. The team then spends their time together perfecting that formation, tactics so that everyone knows their jobs, and what they are supposed to do in the game.
None of this constant changing of formations, players, tactics, strategy, idea's from one week to the next. The pandering to the media, sponsors on which players they think they should play.
If the player doesn't fit into the formation, tactics or strategy then he doesn't play or get picked in the squad.
Look at Argentina. They have Higuain and Aguero both amazing strikers, but he doesn't try and fit them both into the team. They are specialist strikers so only 1 can play and the other sits on the bench. If this was Roy he would have probably asked Higuain to play wide right for us.
At International level you have specialists for that role, you dont take people who can do a job instead playing out of position.
Thats what I was saying, dudes.
And when looking at that ""pool"", go down to the lower divisions too, there would be huge hunger down there. Imagine the players running their arse's off to get spotted during the games, what an incentive. The players that play now have made it in there eyes.
throt said:
And when looking at that ""pool"", go down to the lower divisions too, there would be huge hunger down there. Imagine the players running their arse's off to get spotted during the games, what an incentive. The players that play now have made it in there eyes.
Spot on. We've got to try something different. So many of England's supposedly 'star players' are not even automatic first choice at their PL clubs, there is usually a foreign player with greater ability to play in their position. It must be easy to think you've truly made it when you are in a top 5 or 6 club, drawing £100k or so a week- where is the 'hunger'? I'd guess motivation may be an issue given these guys can sit on the subs bench pondering which mansion to buy or which supercar to order this month. It also astounds me (and disappoints in equal measure) that all the transfer gossip for PL clubs is invariably around players from abroad- many of them not household names (to me anyway). Other countries coaching and youth set-ups seem to be able to produce players good enough to slot straight into PL teams, why have we not got a 'production line' of quality young players? I don't see German, Italian or Spanish clubs queuing up to buy up players from this country. I suppose I have already answered that one in that PL wages are so inflated that going abroad is never a consideration. This despite the coaching and management evidently being so much better- certainly in Germany and Spain, as proven by recent Champions League results. This and their national coaches (and likewise Italy's) have a pool of 50-60 potentialy international quality players to choose from, we have what, 6 or 7 at best?
To maintain the status quo is going to result in further disappointment for England fans I fear. The 'genie is out of the bottle' and the money is not going to go away any time soon. So many £millions and we're no further forward. Short of Sky losing interest or a quota system on foreign players- neither of which will happen, we have to try something. Wales with CC have shown that well organised and motivated players can get results. And they don't have to be superstars from the top of the PL, just any players currently in form playing in their recognised position would be a start. Who knows, despite all our shortcomings at club level, we may get lucky and turn up a Bale or Gascoigne to provide the moments of inspiration to complement this.
British players are overpriced - that's why you don't see many of them in the foreign leagues.
And therein lies the problem for England - Sterling cost the best part of £50m. If he was German, he'd have sold for half that.
Additionally, it's all about instant success over here, as clubs are owned by commercial entities - again, contrast with Germany where clubs have large percentage fan ownership, so they tend to grow in a more organic way.
And therein lies the problem for England - Sterling cost the best part of £50m. If he was German, he'd have sold for half that.
Additionally, it's all about instant success over here, as clubs are owned by commercial entities - again, contrast with Germany where clubs have large percentage fan ownership, so they tend to grow in a more organic way.
swisstoni said:
Why does the England manger have to be paid £4mil a year?
Shirly this turns them into company men who are not willing to stand up for themselves or rock the boat if necessary.
Yes £11,000 per day as opposed to Chris Colemans £550, should never had the job too old and not respected, so now the FA want to replace him with Gus at 69 which just shows the mentality of the current leaders. Just go for Klinsman!Shirly this turns them into company men who are not willing to stand up for themselves or rock the boat if necessary.
tescorank said:
Yes £11,000 per day as opposed to Chris Colemans £550, should never had the job too old and not respected, so now the FA want to replace him with Gus at 69 which just shows the mentality of the current leaders. Just go for Klinsman!
Pardon.Have I missed something.
Where has an FA official said they want Guus Hiddink?
Thankyou4calling said:
Pardon.
Have I missed something.
Where has an FA official said they want Guus Hiddink?
Today's times:Have I missed something.
Where has an FA official said they want Guus Hiddink?
Hiddink in running to replace Hodgson
The FA will start speaking to prospective England managers this week with Guus Hiddink emerging as a strong candidate, writes Jonathan Northcroft. Hiddink, 69, is keen on the England job, feeling he has something left to prove, especially in international management, after the failure of the more recent of his two spells in charge of Holland. A lover of English football, after two spells as Chelsea caretaker manager, he would relish the brief the FA have set out for next England manager – that of developing a playing blueprint for success and developing a young group of players. Hiddink wants to…
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