The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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audi321 said:
I think he's the right person for the job.
Trouble is, the players at his clubs listen to his aggression as he's literally their boss - he pays their wages (in effect). At international level they are less likely to put up with aggression as they will just walk away and back to their millionaire lifestyles, funded by their clubs. An aggressive stance won't work in this instance
Then imo an aggressive stance is what is needed. Not interested enough to walk away for being given out to. Good riddance. Having said that, Big Sam I don't like him. Trouble is, the players at his clubs listen to his aggression as he's literally their boss - he pays their wages (in effect). At international level they are less likely to put up with aggression as they will just walk away and back to their millionaire lifestyles, funded by their clubs. An aggressive stance won't work in this instance
amare32 said:
I don't support England but this is disgraceful appointment. Some numpty with no big club experience gets the biggest football management job in the country.
This is utter b
ks. Joachim Loew had a couple of years at Stuttgart, a year at Fenerbahce and he's won the world cup ffs.Chris Coleman got Wales within a whisker of the Euro final, he's never managed a 'big club'.
Like the players you should pick the best fit for the position, not just the biggest name. That's been England's problem for years.
technodup said:
amare32 said:
I don't support England but this is disgraceful appointment. Some numpty with no big club experience gets the biggest football management job in the country.
This is utter bks. Joachim Loew had a couple of years at Stuttgart, a year at Fenerbahce and he's won the world cup ffs.Chris Coleman got Wales within a whisker of the Euro final, he's never managed a 'big club'.
Like the players you should pick the best fit for the position, not just the biggest name. That's been England's problem for years.
Low was 46 when he became Germany manager after 2 years as assistant, Coleman was 42 and had played for the national team for 10 years.
What worries me is that Sam is 61, has been nowhere near the international game, has had 5 jobs in the last 9 years with strange resignations and sackings throughout and is renowned for his organized defences and long ball tactics (fairly or not). He's clearly a passionate man but is it the kind of passion the players will get behind? Do they have any reason to respect him when he's achieved so little as a player or manager?
I'm just not seeing what he brings at international level but will be very happy to be proven wrong.
Maybe, just maybe the English should come to accept that they're just not that good at football or football management. After all the Scots managed to get their heads round it even though it did take a few years for them to fully accept they're relatively useless at it. Once it's accepted it takes the pressure off and they can concentrate instead on being great supporters - at least in their own minds.
drainbrain said:
Maybe, just maybe the English should come to accept that they're just not that good at football or football management. After all the Scots managed to get their heads round it even though it did take a few years for them to fully accept they're relatively useless at it. Once it's accepted it takes the pressure off and they can concentrate instead on being great supporters - at least in their own minds.
I totally agree that we should accept that we aren't one of the top teams in world football and lag a long way behind in technical ability with regards to the majority of our players and coaching staff. There's still a huge chasm between coming to terms with that and how we've performed in the last 2 tournaments though.If we'd gone out in the 2nd round after having a go but being outclassed by a superior opponent there would be few complaints. It's the fact that we've gone out with the equivalent of a damp fart again for the second time in 4 years that galls everyone.
I'm dismayed at people coming on here and saying "we'll never win anything with SA as manager." Well of course we won't. Do you think Iceland, Norway, Slovenia and Slovakia say that when they appoint a manager. Of course not. They don't expect to win anything. They just want to qualify for tournaments and give a decent account of themselves.
Well that's us now. This is where we are, the company we're in. Forget winning, we're decades and a complete restructuring of the FA, away from that.
SA will have us well drilled and hard to beat. We will lose, because the proper footballing nations are way better than us. But I'll bet a pound to a penny, under Big Sam we will not concede a goal off a long throw from the likes off fking pissing Iceland. We will beat Iceland, and go out to Italy, Spain, France, Germany etc. And when we lose, the team that beats us will know they've been in a game.
Well that's us now. This is where we are, the company we're in. Forget winning, we're decades and a complete restructuring of the FA, away from that.
SA will have us well drilled and hard to beat. We will lose, because the proper footballing nations are way better than us. But I'll bet a pound to a penny, under Big Sam we will not concede a goal off a long throw from the likes off f
king pissing Iceland. We will beat Iceland, and go out to Italy, Spain, France, Germany etc. And when we lose, the team that beats us will know they've been in a game. SWoll said:
Not sure I agree. Since when were Sven, McLaren or Hodgson the biggest name?
Low was 46 when he became Germany manager after 2 years as assistant, Coleman was 42 and had played for the national team for 10 years.
Sven and Capello were big names. McLaren and Hodgson were English. That seems to be the choice.Low was 46 when he became Germany manager after 2 years as assistant, Coleman was 42 and had played for the national team for 10 years.
Given (I think I'm right in saying) no English manager has ever won the EPL, and the top 6,7,8 clubs are managed by foreigners where is this top guy going to come from?
It's either a Pearce or Southgate type, through the FA ranks similar to Loew, an Allardyce/Bruce/Pulis/Pardew 'journeyman' type or it's into the realm of the foreigner.
The poster above has it right, England can forget about winning anything for a generation at least. At least Sam might have the bottle to drop big names, which Hodgson clearly didn't. (I say big, but in world football terms, as we've seen they're clueless wee nobodies).
technodup said:
ven and Capello were big names. McLaren and Hodgson were English. That seems to be the choice.
Given (I think I'm right in saying) no English manager has ever won the EPL, and the top 6,7,8 clubs are managed by foreigners where is this top guy going to come from?
It's either a Pearce or Southgate type, through the FA ranks similar to Loew, an Allardyce/Bruce/Pulis/Pardew 'journeyman' type or it's into the realm of the foreigner.
The poster above has it right, England can forget about winning anything for a generation at least. At least Sam might have the bottle to drop big names, which Hodgson clearly didn't. (I say big, but in world football terms, as we've seen they're clueless wee nobodies).
Aye, last Englishman to win the top division was Wilkinson with Leeds back in 92.Given (I think I'm right in saying) no English manager has ever won the EPL, and the top 6,7,8 clubs are managed by foreigners where is this top guy going to come from?
It's either a Pearce or Southgate type, through the FA ranks similar to Loew, an Allardyce/Bruce/Pulis/Pardew 'journeyman' type or it's into the realm of the foreigner.
The poster above has it right, England can forget about winning anything for a generation at least. At least Sam might have the bottle to drop big names, which Hodgson clearly didn't. (I say big, but in world football terms, as we've seen they're clueless wee nobodies).
If Wales can get to the semis of a major tournament through organisation and team spirit then I see no reason why any team can't do similar.
I don't think you need a top club manager as Wales have again proven. You need someone who has the respect of the players, plays to their strengths and has a plan that everyone understands and buys into. It's not rocket science, the FA just never seem to learn though.
SWoll said:
technodup said:
ven and Capello were big names. McLaren and Hodgson were English. That seems to be the choice.
Given (I think I'm right in saying) no English manager has ever won the EPL, and the top 6,7,8 clubs are managed by foreigners where is this top guy going to come from?
It's either a Pearce or Southgate type, through the FA ranks similar to Loew, an Allardyce/Bruce/Pulis/Pardew 'journeyman' type or it's into the realm of the foreigner.
The poster above has it right, England can forget about winning anything for a generation at least. At least Sam might have the bottle to drop big names, which Hodgson clearly didn't. (I say big, but in world football terms, as we've seen they're clueless wee nobodies).
Aye, last Englishman to win the top division was Wilkinson with Leeds back in 92.Given (I think I'm right in saying) no English manager has ever won the EPL, and the top 6,7,8 clubs are managed by foreigners where is this top guy going to come from?
It's either a Pearce or Southgate type, through the FA ranks similar to Loew, an Allardyce/Bruce/Pulis/Pardew 'journeyman' type or it's into the realm of the foreigner.
The poster above has it right, England can forget about winning anything for a generation at least. At least Sam might have the bottle to drop big names, which Hodgson clearly didn't. (I say big, but in world football terms, as we've seen they're clueless wee nobodies).
If Wales can get to the semis of a major tournament through organisation and team spirit then I see no reason why any team can't do similar.
I don't think you need a top club manager as Wales have again proven. You need someone who has the respect of the players, plays to their strengths and has a plan that everyone understands and buys into. It's not rocket science, the FA just never seem to learn though.
Fittster said:
So we accept we aren't going to win anything but why accept Sam's brand of football?
That was my comment above. Why bring in a 61 year old bloke with no international experience renowned for playing a dull brand of football. I'd have much rather seen what Shearer could do with it, lack of experience or not. He may well have crashed and burnt, but it would have been an interesting experiment at least.SWoll said:
That was my comment above. Why bring in a 61 year old bloke with no international experience renowned for playing a dull brand of football. I'd have much rather seen what Shearer could do with it, lack of experience or not. He may well have crashed and burnt, but it would have been an interesting experiment at least.
Shearer has managed for a handful of games and was a complete disaster. What makes you think he could cut it as England manager?Trabi601 said:
SWoll said:
That was my comment above. Why bring in a 61 year old bloke with no international experience renowned for playing a dull brand of football. I'd have much rather seen what Shearer could do with it, lack of experience or not. He may well have crashed and burnt, but it would have been an interesting experiment at least.
Shearer has managed for a handful of games and was a complete disaster. What makes you think he could cut it as England manager?I know many won't agree but he'd have been my choice as brings something completely different to the table, which is exactly what I think we need.
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