The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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SWoll said:
Totally different proposition. What England need are passion, a plan and someone the players respect. He definitely has the passion, an actual plan isn't rocket science (pick players in form, play them in their actual positions, be positive with the ball) and he's relevant enough to still have the respect of the younger generation of players based on his international playing career (63 caps, 34 as captain, 30 goals, Golden Boot at Euro 96) so when he tells them something they appreciate he knows what he's talking about.
I know many won't agree but he'd have been my choice as brings something completely different to the table, which is exactly what I think we need.
Good players don't always make good managers - the game is littered with big name players who thought management would be a breeze, but they failed spectacularly first time out. Even players who establish themselves as good youth team coaches fail when asked to manage a senior team. Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again. To give him the job of England manager because he was a good player would be foolish.I know many won't agree but he'd have been my choice as brings something completely different to the table, which is exactly what I think we need.
Trabi601 said:
Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again.
ahem..........Alan Shearer wants to succeed Roy Hodgson as England boss...I saw him say it with my own eyes and ears.http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10327...
Trabi601 said:
SWoll said:
Totally different proposition. What England need are passion, a plan and someone the players respect. He definitely has the passion, an actual plan isn't rocket science (pick players in form, play them in their actual positions, be positive with the ball) and he's relevant enough to still have the respect of the younger generation of players based on his international playing career (63 caps, 34 as captain, 30 goals, Golden Boot at Euro 96) so when he tells them something they appreciate he knows what he's talking about.
I know many won't agree but he'd have been my choice as brings something completely different to the table, which is exactly what I think we need.
Good players don't always make good managers - the game is littered with big name players who thought management would be a breeze, but they failed spectacularly first time out. Even players who establish themselves as good youth team coaches fail when asked to manage a senior team. Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again. To give him the job of England manager because he was a good player would be foolish.I know many won't agree but he'd have been my choice as brings something completely different to the table, which is exactly what I think we need.
IMHO he'd naturally generate far more respect amongst the current crop than 68 year old Hodgson for example, who's playing career reached the dizzying heights of Gravesend 40+ years ago and has achieved nothing of note in his long management career.
He's also hugely passionate and has enough nouse to see the glaring issues with the current method of squad selection, match preparation and the lack of any plan B that everyone has been bemoaning.
As I say, christ only knows whether it would work, but when you keep having the same problem you aren't going to fix it by trying the same solution over and over again. Allardyce feels like a caretaker proposition at best to me, perhaps Wenger has indicated he fancies another 2 seasons at Arsenal to attempt to win the Prem and then something new?
alfie2244 said:
Trabi601 said:
Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again.
ahem..........Alan Shearer wants to succeed Roy Hodgson as England boss...I saw him say it with my own eyes and ears.http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10327...
It's interesting that post-Newcastle failure, I can't recall him ever being linked with or expressing an interest in other club management roles.
Trabi601 said:
alfie2244 said:
Trabi601 said:
Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again.
ahem..........Alan Shearer wants to succeed Roy Hodgson as England boss...I saw him say it with my own eyes and ears.http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10327...
It's interesting that post-Newcastle failure, I can't recall him ever being linked with or expressing an interest in other club management roles.
Trabi601 said:
alfie2244 said:
Trabi601 said:
Shearer failed in his stint as manager, learned he was never going to be good at it and decided not to try it again.
ahem..........Alan Shearer wants to succeed Roy Hodgson as England boss...I saw him say it with my own eyes and ears.http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/10327...
It's interesting that post-Newcastle failure, I can't recall him ever being linked with or expressing an interest in other club management roles.
Other than the fact he couldn't manage to keep up a team that were already in the s
t both on and off the pitch with 8 games to go at the end of the season I don't understand why the idea of him taking on the England job is such a crazy idea? He knew the Newcastle job was a poison chalice but took it on as no-one else would at the time. I admire him for having given it a go in the frankly horrendous circumstances as it was always doomed to failure.Edited by SWoll on Friday 22 July 23:34
anonymous said:
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Agree Tonker. The guy has managed consistently in the premiership in hundreds of games. Managed huge ego's, and big name players. Wins games and does it using the players at his disposal, playing the best way possible at the time. The long ball is a myth, and at times plays some dent football. The main thing is he will get us organised, hard to beat and will be the best sum of our parts. woy never did that, we looked lost in the euros with no formation, tactics etc.
I don't see the hate for Sam. The well is dry in terms of potential management, and those who think Shearer is a good option is deluded. He managed a few games for Newcastle and that's it. Sitting on a sofa giving his opinions is easy, look how Gary Neville struggled.
How many times? International football is an utterly different proposition to club management, I'm not sure why this obvious fact is so difficult to grasp. I'm not suggesting Shearer is the perfect man for the job, but in comparison to the constant pattern of taking on older guys with no international experience and middling managerial careers it would at least me an attempt at something new, whether risky or not. There is no comparison to be made between that and Neville being handed the Valencia job by one of his mates, always a stupid idea.
I genuinely hope Sam does well, but as above it smacks of a temporary sticking plaster rather than a genuinely forward thinking appointment. Lets be honest though, whoever got the job it seems unlikely they could do any worse than Roy.
I genuinely hope Sam does well, but as above it smacks of a temporary sticking plaster rather than a genuinely forward thinking appointment. Lets be honest though, whoever got the job it seems unlikely they could do any worse than Roy.
One for the future who I think would both love the job and suit the job is Mark Warburton. If he continues for the next couple of seasons as he's started at Rangers then he'll be emerging as the best English manager in a long long time.
I don't think SA will do anything special or even much more than polish the turd a bit. But Warburton is the one to watch to replace him (although not in time to seriously challenge for a prize at 2018).
I don't think SA will do anything special or even much more than polish the turd a bit. But Warburton is the one to watch to replace him (although not in time to seriously challenge for a prize at 2018).
anonymous said:
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Sure he's good at avoiding relegation but there's no relegation at international level. It's all very well trying to be positive about 'organisation' and 'difficult to beat' but which international team which solely has those qualities has ever won a tournament?If we aren't going to win a tournament I don't see why we should compound the problems with dull football.
There's also his dodgy past with agents which is being glossed over. If a dodgy history is now acceptable we might as well go for 'Arry.
drainbrain said:
One for the future who I think would both love the job and suit the job is Mark Warburton. If he continues for the next couple of seasons as he's started at Rangers then he'll be emerging as the best English manager in a long long time.
WTF would Warburton want to leave the best job in the UK for the poisoned chalice of England?Paws aff.
Fittster said:
Sure he's good at avoiding relegation but there's no relegation at international level. It's all very well trying to be positive about 'organisation' and 'difficult to beat' but which international team which solely has those qualities has ever won a tournament?
If we aren't going to win a tournament I don't see why we should compound the problems with dull football.
There's also his dodgy past with agents which is being glossed over. If a dodgy history is now acceptable we might as well go for 'Arry.
There isn't relegation, but post enough rubbish results in competition and you could find yourself unseeded for future competitions. That would make life difficult. If we aren't going to win a tournament I don't see why we should compound the problems with dull football.
There's also his dodgy past with agents which is being glossed over. If a dodgy history is now acceptable we might as well go for 'Arry.
Hammer67 said:
Sam doesn't like cups.
At West Ham he once put out the 3rd team in the FA Cup at Forest and lost 5 nil.
But don't worry, it's us that's deluded.
What a daft comment. If he put out a 3rd team for a cup match, it was because he was prioritising the league. That won't apply with England. At West Ham he once put out the 3rd team in the FA Cup at Forest and lost 5 nil.
But don't worry, it's us that's deluded.
Fittster said:
So we accept we aren't going to win anything but why accept Sam's brand of football?
At least he has a brand of football. What's England's brand of football. I hope someone can tell me coz I ain't got a fking clue.I'm willing to bet Sam's brand of football will be nowhere near as dull as the 2nd half against Iceland. Or the display v Algeria in the 2010 WC.
Anyone would think Sam had taken over at Barcelona, the way people are worrying about the sudden onset of dull football. FFS!!! We've been watching mostly drivel for decades!
Fittster said:
Sure he's good at avoiding relegation but there's no relegation at international level. It's all very well trying to be positive about 'organisation' and 'difficult to beat' but which international team which solely has those qualities has ever won a tournament?
Denmark and Greece.technodup said:
drainbrain said:
One for the future who I think would both love the job and suit the job is Mark Warburton. If he continues for the next couple of seasons as he's started at Rangers then he'll be emerging as the best English manager in a long long time.
WTF would Warburton want to leave the best job in the UK for the poisoned chalice of England?Paws aff.
I think he'll win the SPL this year. And if he gets Rangers to the CL group stages the following year and better the next couple then he's going to be one very in-demand guy, and rightly so. Rangers lack of serious money's the big drawback to the plan, but that would become obvious to one and all if the rest of it falls into place. The huge England wage and the potential to join the 'immortals' might well winkle him out of Ibrox.
But first he's got to win the SPL this year. Wait and see. Can see it coming myself. And the direction it's moving in there is no way Rangers under him will be getting beaten by Lincoln Red Imps or any other silly little teams or old dying dinosaurs in the CL qualifiers. Guy's a winner. Obvious to anyone. He was FUMING when Rangers lost to Hibs in that cup final. He doesn't like second place.
Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 23 July 12:30
Trabi601 said:
Fittster said:
Sure he's good at avoiding relegation but there's no relegation at international level. It's all very well trying to be positive about 'organisation' and 'difficult to beat' but which international team which solely has those qualities has ever won a tournament?
Denmark and Greece.king dour. Their fans seemed happy enough though.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff