The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]

[London424]

Blib said:

Si1295 said:

Kane hasn't scored in a competitive match since beginning of May, Vardy has scored twice this season already. The team selection almost picks itself

Yeah, but Kane takes a mean corner.

It's pretty strange how Kane is viewed. If he was a foreigner that had been brought in and put up the kinds of numbers he has the media and fans would be going absolutely nuts.

He hasn't even played 2 full seasons and already has 49 PL goals. I wonder how many other players have that kind of success rate?

[Challo]

London424 said:

Blib said:

Si1295 said:

Kane hasn't scored in a competitive match since beginning of May, Vardy has scored twice this season already. The team selection almost picks itself

Yeah, but Kane takes a mean corner.

It's pretty strange how Kane is viewed. If he was a foreigner that had been brought in and put up the kinds of numbers he has the media and fans would be going absolutely nuts.

He hasn't even played 2 full seasons and already has 49 PL goals. I wonder how many other players have that kind of success rate?

Problem for Kane is not him but its the others around him. The service from Lalana and Sterling was non-existant, and Rooney was so far away from him it was ridiculous. Not alot he can do without the ball.

[Mothersruin]

swisstoni said:

I wonder how much the FA have tapped in to the expertise that's on their doorstep.

Going by recent results, I'd say that was a great big fat zero.

Anyway, they'd have to completely deconstruct the footballing culture and start from scratch at a club level, let alone International.

The Olympians are getting things like a living grant of £15k a year, and are grateful.

I wonder how the training regimes of Adam Peaty and Rahim Sterling compare.

Never going happen.

[anonymous-user]

Mothersruin said:

swisstoni said:

I wonder how much the FA have tapped in to the expertise that's on their doorstep.

Going by recent results, I'd say that was a great big fat zero.

Anyway, they'd have to completely deconstruct the footballing culture and start from scratch at a club level, let alone International.

The Olympians are getting things like a living grant of £15k a year, and are grateful.

I wonder how the training regimes of Adam Peaty and Rahim Sterling compare.

Never going happen.

For the olympians funding depends entirely on Olympic results. For England's footballers, funding comes from the club. Entitled England football Prima Donas don't look like they give a toss about playing for their country.

[Turquoise]

National pride is an alien concept for modern footballers.

Wasn't always like this. Butcher, Pearce, Adams, Robson, Ince, Gerrard, Shearer etc would've run through a brick wall for England. They probably even sang the national anthem. Imagine that! How novel!

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

[aeropilot]

Turquoise said:

National pride is an alien concept for modern footballers.

Wasn't always like this. Butcher, Pearce, Adams, Robson, Ince, Gerrard, Shearer etc would've run through a brick wall for England. They probably even sang the national anthem. Imagine that! How novel!

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Turquoise said:

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

If that's the issue, why doesn't it effect Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and loads of other countries where the entire squad will be multi millionaires?

And also, all those players you name, what did they win playing for England? 4 of them played in the 88 Euros, which was an utter disaster.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 6th September 13:19

[aeropilot]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Turquoise said:

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

If that's the issue, why doesn't it effect Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and loads of other countries where the entire squad will be multi millionaires?

Because not brought up in UK.

[Winky151]

IMHO Rooney is the new Beckham - takes corners & free-kicks & drops deep to take the ball off the back four to splay a 50 yard pass to someones feet that then gives the ball back to the full back. In other words - pointless.

[Blib]

Winky151 said:

IMHO Rooney is the new Beckham - takes corners & free-kicks & drops deep to take the ball off the back four to splay a 50 yard pass to someones feet that then gives the ball back to the full back. In other words - pointless.

Did you ever see the Greece game?

[Turquoise]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Turquoise said:

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

If that's the issue, why doesn't it effect Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and loads of other countries where the entire squad will be multi millionaires?

And also, all those players you name, what did they win playing for England? 4 of them played in the 88 Euros, which was an utter disaster.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 6th September 13:19

Have you seen Hollands performances recently?

Of course my post was oversimplifying things somewhat. It's a combination of a spineless FA, poor youth set up, too much money too young and being surrounded by sycophants from an early age and the aloof UK gangsta bling culture.

Not winning anything doesn't mean those former players didn't have national pride. I'm sure you don't disagree that playing for England meant more to the players I mentioned, than the majority of the ones that pull on the shirt today.

[Challo]

Winky151 said:

IMHO Rooney is the new Beckham - takes corners & free-kicks & drops deep to take the ball off the back four to splay a 50 yard pass to someones feet that then gives the ball back to the full back. In other words - pointless.

Unfair on Beckham. At least Beckham continued to have an end product upto when he retired. Rooney looks to be getting worse and worse as he gets older.

[RichB]

Challo said:

Winky151 said:

IMHO Rooney is the new Beckham - takes corners & free-kicks & drops deep to take the ball off the back four to splay a 50 yard pass to someones feet that then gives the ball back to the full back. In other words - pointless.

Unfair on Beckham. At least Beckham continued to have an end product up to when he retired. Rooney looks to be getting worse and worse as he gets older.

I have to agree, while I wasn't Beckham's greatest fan he did play well on the right, was great at dead-ball kicks and actually motivated the side as captain. I believe he contributed far more than Rooney does now.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Turquoise said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Turquoise said:

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

If that's the issue, why doesn't it effect Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and loads of other countries where the entire squad will be multi millionaires?

And also, all those players you name, what did they win playing for England? 4 of them played in the 88 Euros, which was an utter disaster.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 6th September 13:19

Have you seen Hollands performances recently?

Of course my post was oversimplifying things somewhat. It's a combination of a spineless FA, poor youth set up, too much money too young and being surrounded by sycophants from an early age and the aloof UK gangsta bling culture.

Not winning anything doesn't mean those former players didn't have national pride. I'm sure you don't disagree that playing for England meant more to the players I mentioned, than the majority of the ones that pull on the shirt today.

I think it's easy to confuse lack of ability and organisation with lack of interest. Rooney may be no use, but he's never pulled out of England squad for silly injuries, and has always been committed to the cause. The way the players celebrated the late goal against Slovakia indicates to me that they care. Players were in tears when they walked off after Iceland debacle. Why, if they weren't bothered.

You can care and be crap at the same time.

[The Don of Croy]

I'm assuming that all the time the PL is the money pit it is, then ain't nuffink going' to change...

However, what if (and here we cross through the looking glass) our national side were to become a test bed for training and technical theory - like when Japanese rail ran the bullet train more as a technical test bed than a passenger service.

In doing so they can sidestep the show ponies and prima donna's and go searching for raw talent that needs some quality coaching. The result is secondary to getting the correct play on pitch - which, if it goes to plan and they are fit enough etc etc, won't be a problem as they'll be punting a brace past all the major teams every time.

We can all dream, right?

[RichB]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Players were in tears when they walked off after Iceland debacle. Why, if they weren't bothered.

The humiliation?

[Turquoise]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Turquoise said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Turquoise said:

It's a recent thing. Being a multi millionaire before your twentieth birthday alters your perspective on what's important.

If that's the issue, why doesn't it effect Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland and loads of other countries where the entire squad will be multi millionaires?

And also, all those players you name, what did they win playing for England? 4 of them played in the 88 Euros, which was an utter disaster.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 6th September 13:19

Have you seen Hollands performances recently?

Of course my post was oversimplifying things somewhat. It's a combination of a spineless FA, poor youth set up, too much money too young and being surrounded by sycophants from an early age and the aloof UK gangsta bling culture.

Not winning anything doesn't mean those former players didn't have national pride. I'm sure you don't disagree that playing for England meant more to the players I mentioned, than the majority of the ones that pull on the shirt today.

I think it's easy to confuse lack of ability and organisation with lack of interest. Rooney may be no use, but he's never pulled out of England squad for silly injuries, and has always been committed to the cause. The way the players celebrated the late goal against Slovakia indicates to me that they care. Players were in tears when they walked off after Iceland debacle. Why, if they weren't bothered.

You can care and be crap at the same time.

I'm maybe more cynical than you.

Any team celebrates a 95th minute winner like mad though.

As for the Iceland game, crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned. Upset for themselves because they knew they were going to be roundly criticised.

[fathomfive]

RichB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Players were in tears when they walked off after Iceland debacle. Why, if they weren't bothered.

The humiliation?

It's always upsetting to find out you're not as good as you've been told you are.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

The Don of Croy said:

I'm assuming that all the time the PL is the money pit it is, then ain't nuffink going' to change...

But there are Germans, Spaniards, Italians et al earning fortunes in the PL who still perform for their country.

[Mothersruin]

RichB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Players were in tears when they walked off after Iceland debacle. Why, if they weren't bothered.

The humiliation?

fking basic embarrassment. They were arrogant, really fking arrogant.