Cristiano Ronaldo

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selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Wednesday 14th January 2015
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DeltonaS said:
E24man said:
In my opinion Ronaldo has edged slightly above Messi to stand in front of Cruyff, Eusebio, Moore, Puskas and Maradona. Without diminishing Messi, for their careers are ongoing, their next targets are Best, Pele and Zidane.

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What a nonsense; Best and Zidane in the top 3 ever.............besides a definitive top 5 or top 10 is always going to end up in useless comparison between players of different periods etc. And where are Beckenbauer, Schuster, etc.

And I f.i. would add Marco van Basten to that list (above players like Maradonna, Moore, Zidane etc f.i.); Why; Ronaldo is a great player now at the age of 27 (and the past +/- 3 years) but somehow he needed more time and effort to get where he is than players like Van Basten (which career as a 2 time World Player of the Year and 3 times European player of the year was already over at the age of 25/26). Just like Ronaldo (the brazilian)and Messi, Van Basten was already world class at a far younger age. The young ManU Ronaldo wasn't that good.
Such an emotive subject. Van Basten was a great player, watching him as part of that Euro '88 side and the great AC Milan side was a pleasure. Ronaldo was another; absolute class. I never tire of seeing the clip where he goes past everyone to score for Barca. Bobby Robson's face was a picture!

Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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O/T

The greatest (IMO) Ronaldo is making a come-back!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30828112

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Maradonna was wonderful but there is a lot of mythology,he did not single handedly win the World Cup ,Argentina have always had strong teams ,8 years earlier they won the stupid thing.he was their inspiration but they had a very strong defence which is always a great platform .
He had a great few seasons with Napoli but he wasn't a tremendous success at Barcelona was he ?
For me he burned very brightly for a very short space of time,there are others who burned as brightly or almost as brightly for a lot longer.


uk66fastback

16,451 posts

270 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Argentina had a decent team, he was obviously their best player and scored some great goals - (against England) but he didn't win it single-handedly. That makes it sounds as though he and Argentina defended stoicly for 89 of the 90 mins and in the other 60secs, he went past 10 players and scored ...

The strange thing is, with that goal against England whgere we wnt half the pitch, most of the time, he doesn't seem to be moving very quickly at all ... and those pitches were ste back then as well ... you can see the ball bobbling - not like the carpets they play on now.

Good player but GOAT? NO ...

Legend83

9,947 posts

221 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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I always find it interesting that any discussion about GOAT typically only includes forwards in the mix.

Would Paolo Maldini be up there? Possibly the greatest purveyor of the defensive arts ever seen, plus incredible ability going forward at a time when full-backs were not as required to support attacks?

Thankyou4calling

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10,595 posts

172 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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Some have commented that Ronaldo didn't excel at man utd.

That's simply not the case. He won three premier leagues, Runner up in two FA cups, won 2 league cups, He won the Champions league and was twice PFA players player of the year, he still holds the record for most goals scored in a premier league season (31 goals) and was transferred for a world record fee to Real. So he has performed at the highest level for an awful long time and with top clubs in top leagues.

Significantly too his fitness and conditioning means he rarely misses games in contrast to others who are called great players yet struggle to turn out on more than a few consecutive occasions.

He has nothing to prove.


London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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franki68 said:
Maradonna was wonderful but there is a lot of mythology,he did not single handedly win the World Cup ,Argentina have always had strong teams ,8 years earlier they won the stupid thing.he was their inspiration but they had a very strong defence which is always a great platform .
He had a great few seasons with Napoli but he wasn't a tremendous success at Barcelona was he ?
For me he burned very brightly for a very short space of time,there are others who burned as brightly or almost as brightly for a lot longer.
8 Years is a long time in international football.

Italy and France were in the finals 8 years ago...they're nowhere in international football at the moment.

If you look through that Argentina team I don't know if most people will even recognise another players name.

He played 2 seasons at Barca scoring 38 in 58 while having hepatitus and also suffering this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8_JYHtvTS8 yep...just got a free kick for that.

I'd hardly call his time there as a failure!

ugofirst

263 posts

110 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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uk66fastback said:
Argentina had a decent team, he was obviously their best player and scored some great goals - (against England) but he didn't win it single-handedly. That makes it sounds as though he and Argentina defended stoicly for 89 of the 90 mins and in the other 60secs, he went past 10 players and scored ...

The strange thing is, with that goal against England whgere we wnt half the pitch, most of the time, he doesn't seem to be moving very quickly at all ... and those pitches were ste back then as well ... you can see the ball bobbling - not like the carpets they play on now.

Good player but GOAT? NO ...
"Good"?!?!

Gary Lineker was "Good". Maradona was on another planet.

He was certainly, along with Pele, the 20th centuries best player which means he has only Messi and Ronnie to compare with for GOAT.

As I've said, show me where Ronnie or Messi have taken an average team and made them domestic kings or their taken their International side and made them World Champs.

Messi was in a squad that included, amongst others Higuain, Zabaletta, Aguero, Di Maria and Mascherano. It's laughable to try and compare that team with the team Maradona had to play in. They were good, but not the Superstars of the 2014 squad that Messi had as team-mates.

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Thursday 15th January 2015
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DeltonaS said:
The young ManU Ronaldo wasn't that good.


Edited by DeltonaS on Wednesday 14th January 15:26
rofl hahaha!! Oh ok!!

A player that wasn't that good getting sold for all that money.

rofl thank you for making me laugh.

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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London424 said:
8 Years is a long time in international football.

Italy and France were in the finals 8 years ago...they're nowhere in international football at the moment.

If you look through that Argentina team I don't know if most people will even recognise another players name.

He played 2 seasons at Barca scoring 38 in 58 while having hepatitus and also suffering this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8_JYHtvTS8 yep...just got a free kick for that.

I'd hardly call his time there as a failure!
Argentina are always a strong team,especially defensively.to win the cup single handedly would mean he played by himself.

He wasn't a failure at barca but he certainly didn't achieve what he did with Napoli ,and was a long way from being the best around that time.


As for getting kicked,I will raise you George best and that tackle by chopper Harris where best managed to stay on his feet and score .imagine those tackles being allowed today ?


I'm not a critic he was stupendous ,but for me he was at the top for too short a time to be the greatest .i did see him play live a couple of times ,Paul McGrath put him in his pocket on that occasion.


selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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franki68 said:
I'm not a critic he was stupendous ,but for me he was at the top for too short a time to be the greatest .i did see him play live a couple of times ,Paul McGrath put him in his pocket on that occasion.
I know maradona was diminutive, but was there room with the hipflask?

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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franki68 said:
London424 said:
8 Years is a long time in international football.

Italy and France were in the finals 8 years ago...they're nowhere in international football at the moment.

If you look through that Argentina team I don't know if most people will even recognise another players name.

He played 2 seasons at Barca scoring 38 in 58 while having hepatitus and also suffering this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8_JYHtvTS8 yep...just got a free kick for that.

I'd hardly call his time there as a failure!
Argentina are always a strong team,especially defensively.to win the cup single handedly would mean he played by himself.

He wasn't a failure at barca but he certainly didn't achieve what he did with Napoli ,and was a long way from being the best around that time.


As for getting kicked,I will raise you George best and that tackle by chopper Harris where best managed to stay on his feet and score .imagine those tackles being allowed today ?


I'm not a critic he was stupendous ,but for me he was at the top for too short a time to be the greatest .i did see him play live a couple of times ,Paul McGrath put him in his pocket on that occasion.
Doesn't that make it more impressive? He was at Barca before Napoli (dragging them from mowhere to the top of that league), he played in Argentina for 6 years before even moving to Europe...so his career at the top was from 1976 - 91...in those days a pretty decent career (he did play from some other clubs after that but was very much on the decline).

How can you raise me a tackle that Best was able to avoid with one that broke Maradona's ankle? The tackling in both of their days was a million times worse than today.

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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London424 said:
franki68 said:
London424 said:
8 Years is a long time in international football.

Italy and France were in the finals 8 years ago...they're nowhere in international football at the moment.

If you look through that Argentina team I don't know if most people will even recognise another players name.

He played 2 seasons at Barca scoring 38 in 58 while having hepatitus and also suffering this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8_JYHtvTS8 yep...just got a free kick for that.

I'd hardly call his time there as a failure!
Argentina are always a strong team,especially defensively.to win the cup single handedly would mean he played by himself.

He wasn't a failure at barca but he certainly didn't achieve what he did with Napoli ,and was a long way from being the best around that time.


As for getting kicked,I will raise you George best and that tackle by chopper Harris where best managed to stay on his feet and score .imagine those tackles being allowed today ?


I'm not a critic he was stupendous ,but for me he was at the top for too short a time to be the greatest .i did see him play live a couple of times ,Paul McGrath put him in his pocket on that occasion.
Doesn't that make it more impressive? He was at Barca before Napoli (dragging them from mowhere to the top of that league), he played in Argentina for 6 years before even moving to Europe...so his career at the top was from 1976 - 91...in those days a pretty decent career (he did play from some other clubs after that but was very much on the decline).

How can you raise me a tackle that Best was able to avoid with one that broke Maradona's ankle? The tackling in both of their days was a million times worse than today.
Because Best? I have seen as many pics of Maradona being kicked to the floor as I have of him beating players; do you remember the pic of him being dumped when playing S. Korea (?)? I'll see if I can find it.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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jimbop1 said:
rofl hahaha!! Oh ok!!

A player that wasn't that good getting sold for all that money.

rofl thank you for making me laugh.
Your partly right. Looking at his Bio in his last year, maybe 2, at Manu he was already pretty decent ;-) , but what I meant was he certainly wasn't as the good as he is in the last couple of years. And since you are the expert than you probably also can remember than he was often critizeds at Manu.

And in terms of the height transfer fees (which the PL excels in by the way); a certain Bale was sold for 100 milion Euro; which in my eyes is still the biggest laugh since the game was invented.








Edited by DeltonaS on Friday 16th January 16:25

selym

9,539 posts

170 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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selym said:
Because Best? I have seen as many pics of Maradona being kicked to the floor as I have of him beating players; do you remember the pic of him being dumped when playing S. Korea (?)? I'll see if I can find it.


Edited by selym on Friday 16th January 17:02

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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London424 said:
Doesn't that make it more impressive? He was at Barca before Napoli (dragging them from mowhere to the top of that league), he played in Argentina for 6 years before even moving to Europe...so his career at the top was from 1976 - 91...in those days a pretty decent career (he did play from some other clubs after that but was very much on the decline).

How can you raise me a tackle that Best was able to avoid with one that broke Maradona's ankle? The tackling in both of their days was a million times worse than today.
it was a joke on the fact that those sort of tackles were made in those days ?

But back to topic , he had a reasonably long career but he wasn't the best in the world for most of it.

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Friday 16th January 2015
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London424 said:
Doesn't that make it more impressive? He was at Barca before Napoli (dragging them from mowhere to the top of that league), he played in Argentina for 6 years before even moving to Europe...so his career at the top was from 1976 - 91...in those days a pretty decent career (he did play from some other clubs after that but was very much on the decline).

How can you raise me a tackle that Best was able to avoid with one that broke Maradona's ankle? The tackling in both of their days was a million times worse than today.
it was a joke on the fact that those sort of tackles were made in those days ?

But back to topic , he had a reasonably long career but he wasn't the best in the world for most of it.

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Thursday 22nd January 2015
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DeltonaS said:
jimbop1 said:
rofl hahaha!! Oh ok!!

A player that wasn't that good getting sold for all that money.

rofl thank you for making me laugh.
Your partly right. Looking at his Bio in his last year, maybe 2, at Manu he was already pretty decent ;-) , but what I meant was he certainly wasn't as the good as he is in the last couple of years. And since you are the expert than you probably also can remember than he was often critizeds at Manu.

And in terms of the height transfer fees (which the PL excels in by the way); a certain Bale was sold for 100 milion Euro; which in my eyes is still the biggest laugh since the game was invented.








Edited by DeltonaS on Friday 16th January 16:25
Abit late in replying but.. Ronaldo wasn't 'often' criticised at Manchester United. He is still viewed as one of the best that has ever played at OT (I personally think the best).

And yes, I agree about Bale.

Thankyou4calling

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10,595 posts

172 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Ronaldo just keeps on breaking records. Now the all time Real highest scorer (in half the games of the previous) and a hat trick in the champions league to put him on 80, another record.

I was watching some of the goals he and the United team scored in 2007/8 yesterday. A team with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, vidic, Evra, Giggs, Ferdinand etc.

The level of skill, pace and work rate was phenomenal and Ronaldo on a level the Premiere league players now can only dream of.

I have to say that it demonstrated for me that the top players really are not that good now and the football we are being served up is exciting, competitive but supremely marketed and not very good.

They talk about the pace of players, are people seriously saying that Rooney is faster now than 8 years ago.

As for Ronaldo, every season there is talk of him going back to United, why on earth would he? He has nothing to prove at all.

I predict this and one more season at Real then the MLS.

We are fortunate to be able to see the best player that has ever lived in my opinion.

E63M6

594 posts

119 months

Saturday 19th September 2015
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Thankyou4calling said:
Ronaldo just keeps on breaking records. Now the all time Real highest scorer (in half the games of the previous) and a hat trick in the champions league to put him on 80, another record.

I was watching some of the goals he and the United team scored in 2007/8 yesterday. A team with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, vidic, Evra, Giggs, Ferdinand etc.

The level of skill, pace and work rate was phenomenal and Ronaldo on a level the Premiere league players now can only dream of.

I have to say that it demonstrated for me that the top players really are not that good now and the football we are being served up is exciting, competitive but supremely marketed and not very good.

They talk about the pace of players, are people seriously saying that Rooney is faster now than 8 years ago.

As for Ronaldo, every season there is talk of him going back to United, why on earth would he? He has nothing to prove at all.

I predict this and one more season at Real then the MLS.

We are fortunate to be able to see the best player that has ever lived in my opinion.
Summed it up perfectly. There won't be another like him.