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Your faith in Evans's character is laudable but I'm afraid that I'm far more cynical. Evans has betrayed her in the worst possible manner. He was at the very least totally unfaithful to her by taking a very cheap opportunity to have sex with another woman. By supporting his actions in this way she has given him the green light to do so in the future in the knowledge that she will continue to accept and even support that behaviour. It may be selfless but is this really how a self-respecting woman should behave?
Pothole said:
It is beyond belief. How low does a woman's self-esteem have to be to pout up with that kind of disgusting behaviour?
i agree and he is not a friend(don't agree with how he treats women) and a policeman to boot so would expect a higher morale standing. i think it happens a lot women sticking by the cheater. Since ive known him probably cheated with about 30 women.desolate said:
Countdown said:
Gargamel said:
Well worth a read... some facts here I didn't,t know
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
A thought provoking point of view.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/15/the-che...
Happy to be corrected about this.
I'm not so sure that I agree with the subject of the article; yes, it's pretty nasty that her sexual history has been dragged into court but it is relevant, as far as I can see. If she has done similar things, in similar situations, in the past to what Evans claimed from the outset happened, then surely it lends weight to his defence as it suggests that he wasn't making stuff up about the incident.
The article also seems to be suggesting that a drunk person cannot consent. They can as long as they aren't so drunk that they have no capacity and there appears to be no evidence that she lacked capacity. Evans' mate had sex with her too and he wasn't convicted.
The article author mentions a return to 'slut shaming' of women for getting pissed and having sex with strangers. Sorry but the article seems to be more an attempt to shame men for daring to have sex with women who are voluntarily drunk and consenting. It suggests that women really can't handle their drink too well so men should expect them to not really know their own minds after a few, the poor darlings. It's also a case of a woman having a go, in a roundabout way, at another woman for daring to be a slut - which she is (and I'm not necessarily saying that that is a bad thing) - but which she has a perfect right to be if she wants.
It's amazing that he was ever convicted, to be honest. Or that it was ever prosecuted because from everything that has been mentioned about the case it appears that there was simply zero evidence against him. She maintained from the outset that she had no memory of what went on. Having no memory does not mean that she did not consent - just that she has no memory of whether she did or not. How on earth can you prosecute someone in the face of a complete lack of the main evidential criteria for rape - lack of consent?
popeyewhite said:
e21Mark said:
She must have a serious lack of self worth and self esteem then.
Why? Surely standing by your man through thick and thin implies she's bursting with self-confidence and her looks imply reasonable self-esteem.popeyewhite said:
Why? Surely standing by your man through thick and thin implies she's bursting with self-confidence and her looks imply reasonable self-esteem.
Really? If she had any self esteem she'd have told him to f
k off right from the start. Think about the fact this is just the first time Evans has been caught, it would not be a stretch to think he has done it before. Given that his brother( I think it was) also seems to think it a jolly wheeze to film his brother shagging an unconscious girl right after his mate has had a go, the whole bunch of them sound despicable.
otolith said:
Rh14n said:
Whether she was conscious or not makes no difference in this instance.
It kind of does, in that if that had been shown it would have been an open and shut case rather than a very difficult one.I meant that their behaviour in filming the girl having sex was despicable full stop. Of course whether she was conscious or not was completely relevant to the subsequent court case.
Rh14n said:
The behaviour of all of them was despicable!
No doubt. e21Mark said:
popeyewhite said:
e21Mark said:
She must have a serious lack of self worth and self esteem then.
Why? Surely standing by your man through thick and thin implies she's bursting with self-confidence and her looks imply reasonable self-esteem.vonuber said:
popeyewhite said:
Why? Surely standing by your man through thick and thin implies she's bursting with self-confidence and her looks imply reasonable self-esteem.
Really? If she had any self esteem she'd have told him to fk off right from the start. popeyewhite said:
vonuber said:
popeyewhite said:
Why? Surely standing by your man through thick and thin implies she's bursting with self-confidence and her looks imply reasonable self-esteem.
Really? If she had any self esteem she'd have told him to fk off right from the start. Rh14n said:
You're absolutely right there. I am completely baffled by her! You're clearly a Tammy Wynette fan but some of us have moved into the 21st century! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew
Low self-esteem is a manifestation of an abusive relationship. You may think she's being abused in some way but she clearly does not. In the absence of any evidence or her stating CE verbally or physically abuses her, low self-esteem is king of hard to diagnose...well except on PH 
popeyewhite said:
Rh14n said:
You're absolutely right there. I am completely baffled by her! You're clearly a Tammy Wynette fan but some of us have moved into the 21st century! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew
Low self-esteem is a manifestation of an abusive relationship. You may think she's being abused in some way but she clearly does not. In the absence of any evidence or her stating CE verbally or physically abuses her, low self-esteem is king of hard to diagnose...well except on PH What this article https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths... raises for me is that the two other blokes dragged into it were blokes she admittedly shagged in the fortnight AFTER the Evans incident.
I have a number of feminist friends currently spouting on Facebook about how 'past sexual history shouldn't be brought up in a rape trial' but, come on, reality check. If you are 19yo, have accused (or rather, not accused yourself, but the Police have suggested to you that you have been raped) and a man could lose his liberty for five years, is the best course of behaviour to go out and bang two blokes that you don't really know, on two consecutive nights, within 14 days!?
"THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT!!" the feminists will say but, come on, really? One of these blokes she "met on Facebook" and was banging him the next night, having (allegedly) told him words to the effect of "I will rip you apart". Within two weeks of allegedly being raped, in a three-way, where she'd only known one of the blokes for an hour previous? Is this normal behaviour? Does it raise doubts? For me it does.
The 'met on Facebook' bloke got an easy time in the witness box as far as was reported. I dare say the Prosecution could have tried to play hardball with him but they would then have to field the no doubt considerably risque string of Facebook messages that the complainant had (my supposition) probably sent him. Get them read out in Court and it paints a whole different picture.
Slightly O/T but I have a friend who is a recently retired Premiership rugby player. When he was playing, on any night out women were throwing themselves at him. I once even stood drinking in a bar with him and his fiancee when a woman walked up bold as brass, thrust her number into his hand on a bit of paper, and said, in full earshot of said fiancee, "call me, I'm the fk of the century" before turning and leaving. The group of us stood there astounded, but I can't emphasise enough how a certain type of woman will do anything to get with a sportsman for the obvious reasons you don't need me to explain.
I went out in suburban Birmingham on Saturday night. As I left my local pub there were a group of similar aged girls at the taxi rank doing what can only be described as 'Bonnet Babestation' on taxis arriving at the rank. One of them fell over and revealed everything God had given her - it wasn't an edifying sight. They were all so plastered that they should have just been going home, but they were getting a cab to a nightclub. I stood there thinking "FFS, any bloke could end up taking one of these home at 3am, consensually doing the wild thing, and finding himself in Ched Evans' boots in the morning, when they "can't remember". Isn't it time people started taking a bit more responsibility for their actions - not getting so drunk that you don't know what you're doing, or taking on the persona of some sexual gymnast because you think that's the done thing, and not sneaking into your mate's hotel room in the first place?
I have a number of feminist friends currently spouting on Facebook about how 'past sexual history shouldn't be brought up in a rape trial' but, come on, reality check. If you are 19yo, have accused (or rather, not accused yourself, but the Police have suggested to you that you have been raped) and a man could lose his liberty for five years, is the best course of behaviour to go out and bang two blokes that you don't really know, on two consecutive nights, within 14 days!?
"THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT!!" the feminists will say but, come on, really? One of these blokes she "met on Facebook" and was banging him the next night, having (allegedly) told him words to the effect of "I will rip you apart". Within two weeks of allegedly being raped, in a three-way, where she'd only known one of the blokes for an hour previous? Is this normal behaviour? Does it raise doubts? For me it does.
The 'met on Facebook' bloke got an easy time in the witness box as far as was reported. I dare say the Prosecution could have tried to play hardball with him but they would then have to field the no doubt considerably risque string of Facebook messages that the complainant had (my supposition) probably sent him. Get them read out in Court and it paints a whole different picture.
Slightly O/T but I have a friend who is a recently retired Premiership rugby player. When he was playing, on any night out women were throwing themselves at him. I once even stood drinking in a bar with him and his fiancee when a woman walked up bold as brass, thrust her number into his hand on a bit of paper, and said, in full earshot of said fiancee, "call me, I'm the f
k of the century" before turning and leaving. The group of us stood there astounded, but I can't emphasise enough how a certain type of woman will do anything to get with a sportsman for the obvious reasons you don't need me to explain. I went out in suburban Birmingham on Saturday night. As I left my local pub there were a group of similar aged girls at the taxi rank doing what can only be described as 'Bonnet Babestation' on taxis arriving at the rank. One of them fell over and revealed everything God had given her - it wasn't an edifying sight. They were all so plastered that they should have just been going home, but they were getting a cab to a nightclub. I stood there thinking "FFS, any bloke could end up taking one of these home at 3am, consensually doing the wild thing, and finding himself in Ched Evans' boots in the morning, when they "can't remember". Isn't it time people started taking a bit more responsibility for their actions - not getting so drunk that you don't know what you're doing, or taking on the persona of some sexual gymnast because you think that's the done thing, and not sneaking into your mate's hotel room in the first place?
PurpleTurtle said:
What this article https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths... raises for me is that the two other blokes dragged into it were blokes she admittedly shagged in the fortnight AFTER the Evans incident.
I have a number of feminist friends currently spouting on Facebook about how 'past sexual history shouldn't be brought up in a rape trial' but, come on, reality check. If you are 19yo, have accused (or rather, not accused yourself, but the Police have suggested to you that you have been raped) and a man could lose his liberty for five years, is the best course of behaviour to go out and bang two blokes that you don't really know, on two consecutive nights, within 14 days!?
"THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT!!" the feminists will say but, come on, really? One of these blokes she "met on Facebook" and was banging him the next night, having (allegedly) told him words to the effect of "I will rip you apart". Within two weeks of allegedly being raped, in a three-way, where she'd only known one of the blokes for an hour previous? Is this normal behaviour? Does it raise doubts? For me it does.
The 'met on Facebook' bloke got an easy time in the witness box as far as was reported. I dare say the Prosecution could have tried to play hardball with him but they would then have to field the no doubt considerably risque string of Facebook messages that the complainant had (my supposition) probably sent him. Get them read out in Court and it paints a whole different picture.
Slightly O/T but I have a friend who is a recently retired Premiership rugby player. When he was playing, on any night out women were throwing themselves at him. I once even stood drinking in a bar with him and his fiancee when a woman walked up bold as brass, thrust her number into his hand on a bit of paper, and said, in full earshot of said fiancee, "call me, I'm the fk of the century" before turning and leaving. The group of us stood there astounded, but I can't emphasise enough how a certain type of woman will do anything to get with a sportsman for the obvious reasons you don't need me to explain.
I went out in suburban Birmingham on Saturday night. As I left my local pub there were a group of similar aged girls at the taxi rank doing what can only be described as 'Bonnet Babestation' on taxis arriving at the rank. One of them fell over and revealed everything God had given her - it wasn't an edifying sight. They were all so plastered that they should have just been going home, but they were getting a cab to a nightclub. I stood there thinking "FFS, any bloke could end up taking one of these home at 3am, consensually doing the wild thing, and finding himself in Ched Evans' boots in the morning, when they "can't remember". Isn't it time people started taking a bit more responsibility for their actions - not getting so drunk that you don't know what you're doing, or taking on the persona of some sexual gymnast because you think that's the done thing, and not sneaking into your mate's hotel room in the first place?
That's a very important point, but problem is as soon as you raise it you'll be accused of blaming the victimI have a number of feminist friends currently spouting on Facebook about how 'past sexual history shouldn't be brought up in a rape trial' but, come on, reality check. If you are 19yo, have accused (or rather, not accused yourself, but the Police have suggested to you that you have been raped) and a man could lose his liberty for five years, is the best course of behaviour to go out and bang two blokes that you don't really know, on two consecutive nights, within 14 days!?
"THERE'S NO TIME LIMIT!!" the feminists will say but, come on, really? One of these blokes she "met on Facebook" and was banging him the next night, having (allegedly) told him words to the effect of "I will rip you apart". Within two weeks of allegedly being raped, in a three-way, where she'd only known one of the blokes for an hour previous? Is this normal behaviour? Does it raise doubts? For me it does.
The 'met on Facebook' bloke got an easy time in the witness box as far as was reported. I dare say the Prosecution could have tried to play hardball with him but they would then have to field the no doubt considerably risque string of Facebook messages that the complainant had (my supposition) probably sent him. Get them read out in Court and it paints a whole different picture.
Slightly O/T but I have a friend who is a recently retired Premiership rugby player. When he was playing, on any night out women were throwing themselves at him. I once even stood drinking in a bar with him and his fiancee when a woman walked up bold as brass, thrust her number into his hand on a bit of paper, and said, in full earshot of said fiancee, "call me, I'm the f
k of the century" before turning and leaving. The group of us stood there astounded, but I can't emphasise enough how a certain type of woman will do anything to get with a sportsman for the obvious reasons you don't need me to explain. I went out in suburban Birmingham on Saturday night. As I left my local pub there were a group of similar aged girls at the taxi rank doing what can only be described as 'Bonnet Babestation' on taxis arriving at the rank. One of them fell over and revealed everything God had given her - it wasn't an edifying sight. They were all so plastered that they should have just been going home, but they were getting a cab to a nightclub. I stood there thinking "FFS, any bloke could end up taking one of these home at 3am, consensually doing the wild thing, and finding himself in Ched Evans' boots in the morning, when they "can't remember". Isn't it time people started taking a bit more responsibility for their actions - not getting so drunk that you don't know what you're doing, or taking on the persona of some sexual gymnast because you think that's the done thing, and not sneaking into your mate's hotel room in the first place?
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