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e21Mark said:
I'm not so sure he warrants an apology. My feeling is more he got off on a technicality than was cleared.
I agree with the first bit, and probably the second, as I didn't follow it that closely, but his actions did not change?I'll be interested in seeing is Jess Ennis makes any sort of formal announcement now.
This case was never right from the off and there is no doubt he has dubious morals, but they weren't on trial.
He was found innocent and Ennis-Hill should apologies as should the other woman who wiped up a storm of protest. But they won't as in their eyes he is still guilty.
I have no regard for Evans, but if anything good came out of this it would be to stop young women being attracted to Footballers and agreeing to have casual or threesomes when they have been drinking. What might seem good at first often comes with regrets as the chances of a footballer marrying a person they just want to have casual sex with are slim.
He was found innocent and Ennis-Hill should apologies as should the other woman who wiped up a storm of protest. But they won't as in their eyes he is still guilty.
I have no regard for Evans, but if anything good came out of this it would be to stop young women being attracted to Footballers and agreeing to have casual or threesomes when they have been drinking. What might seem good at first often comes with regrets as the chances of a footballer marrying a person they just want to have casual sex with are slim.
Ched Evans reaches six figure out of court settlement with his original defence team.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47886412
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47886412
photosnob said:
Ennis-Hill has ruined her legacy. She will always be known as the cow with the big mouth who got it wrong. She wasn't wrong to have her opinions - but her silence after he was cleared is disgusting.
She wasn't wrong at the time it was said. She was speaking in line with the court conviction that stood at that time.I'm not sure what she should be apologising for? Somewhere the judicial systems went horribly wrong, but that's not her fault.
Rh14n said:
Irrelevant. Start another thread! PurpleTurtle said:
Ched Evans reaches six figure out of court settlement with his original defence team.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47886412
Is it standard practice to sue your solictor if you get found guilty when innocent?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47886412
Evanivitch said:
photosnob said:
Ennis-Hill has ruined her legacy. She will always be known as the cow with the big mouth who got it wrong. She wasn't wrong to have her opinions - but her silence after he was cleared is disgusting.
She wasn't wrong at the time it was said. She was speaking in line with the court conviction that stood at that time.I'm not sure what she should be apologising for?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Evanivitch said:
photosnob said:
Ennis-Hill has ruined her legacy. She will always be known as the cow with the big mouth who got it wrong. She wasn't wrong to have her opinions - but her silence after he was cleared is disgusting.
She wasn't wrong at the time it was said. She was speaking in line with the court conviction that stood at that time.I'm not sure what she should be apologising for?
Evans has been found 'not guilty' rather than 'innocent'.
This means that the jury wasn't sure beyond reasonably doubt that he was guilty of an offence. They may well have thought that he probably did it, but couldn't be absolutely sure.
It was still a morally reprehensible act IMO, just not one with enough evidence to convict him of rape.
This means that the jury wasn't sure beyond reasonably doubt that he was guilty of an offence. They may well have thought that he probably did it, but couldn't be absolutely sure.
It was still a morally reprehensible act IMO, just not one with enough evidence to convict him of rape.
Evanivitch said:
She wasn't wrong at the time it was said. She was speaking in line with the court conviction that stood at that time.
I'm not sure what she should be apologising for? Somewhere the judicial systems went horribly wrong, but that's not her fault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Evans_and_McDonaldI'm not sure what she should be apologising for? Somewhere the judicial systems went horribly wrong, but that's not her fault.
Out of Evans and Ennis, Ennis isn't the one that should apologise for anything.
smn159 said:
Evans has been found 'not guilty' rather than 'innocent'.
This means that the jury wasn't sure beyond reasonably doubt that he was guilty of an offence. They may well have thought that he probably did it, but couldn't be absolutely sure.
It was still a morally reprehensible act IMO, just not one with enough evidence to convict him of rape.
Not Guilty is the same as innocent. This means that the jury wasn't sure beyond reasonably doubt that he was guilty of an offence. They may well have thought that he probably did it, but couldn't be absolutely sure.
It was still a morally reprehensible act IMO, just not one with enough evidence to convict him of rape.
We all have a presumption of innocence, and if we're accused of something and found not guilty, then that innocence remains 'intact'.
You're free to consider him guilty of being a bit of a rotter, and I'd agree, but the system has decided he's innocent of the charge of rape.
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