Ched Evans

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OllieC

3,816 posts

214 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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hornetrider said:
Is that what he's known as now? Ched Evans Convicted Rapist?
he'll need broad shoulders








or small text to fit that name on his shirt.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Efbe said:
If I was club chairman, I wouldn't want this guy at my club. I wouldn't want him working in my shop, in my school or in my home. Plenty of other jobs out there though.
But because of the scandal, he will now be much cheaper than an equivalent talent. There will be a good economic reason to sign him.

The market will ensure he gets a game.


SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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OllieC said:
he'll need broad shoulders








or small text to fit that name on his shirt.
Very good!

over_the_hill

3,188 posts

246 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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There's only one Ched Evans convicted rapist
Only one Ched Evans convicted ra..

peeep

Bugger - half time and we haven't managed to finish one song

EXKAY120

503 posts

117 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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He`s served his sentence, surely he can move on now, if he`d have killed a young child he`d have been let out early, giving a new house, and given a new indetity !!! Yes, what he`s done has no excuse, but EVERYBODY makes mistakes in life, including everyone of you who`s knocking him.

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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EXKAY120 said:
He`s served his sentence, surely he can move on now, if he`d have killed a young child he`d have been let out early, giving a new house, and given a new indetity !!! Yes, what he`s done has no excuse, but EVERYBODY makes mistakes in life, including everyone of you who`s knocking him.
'mistake'?

It's not like he's spilt some wine on your carpet, he fricking raped someone.

Busso GTA

178 posts

126 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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EXKAY120 said:
He`s served his sentence, surely he can move on now, if he`d have killed a young child he`d have been let out early, giving a new house, and given a new indetity !!! Yes, what he`s done has no excuse, but EVERYBODY makes mistakes in life, including everyone of you who`s knocking him.
Mistake ? Raping someone is not a mistake it is a conscious decision to do something you know is wrong, imagine this tosspot had raped your daughter / sister / mother , would you just put it to the side as a mistake when they struggled with it for the rest of their life ?

Yea he can move on but do not expect others to just forget and yea unfortunately he has to shoulder that the same way she has to shoulder being raped

Efbe

9,251 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Busso GTA said:
EXKAY120 said:
He`s served his sentence, surely he can move on now, if he`d have killed a young child he`d have been let out early, giving a new house, and given a new indetity !!! Yes, what he`s done has no excuse, but EVERYBODY makes mistakes in life, including everyone of you who`s knocking him.
Mistake ? Raping someone is not a mistake it is a conscious decision to do something you know is wrong, imagine this tosspot had raped your daughter / sister / mother , would you just put it to the side as a mistake when they struggled with it for the rest of their life ?

Yea he can move on but do not expect others to just forget and yea unfortunately he has to shoulder that the same way she has to shoulder being raped
it's also not like you have a right to be a professional footballer.

as has been said many times, in many other industries; when you make a mistake, that's it, you don't get to do that job any more.
Try the financial industry, teaching, anything customer facing, anything with children etc etc. no-one moans when they aren't allowed back to their jobs even after they have served their time.

he should go and get a job in a different industry imo.

The jiffle king

6,914 posts

258 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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This is a tough one where I feel like a hypocrite.
He has been convicted and served his punishment and needs a chance to integrate back into society, otherwise we increase the risk of 1 strike and you're out mentality which cannot be good for society.
Rape is a shocking crime and no matter what any of us believe about the rape he was convicted. What appalls me more is the behaiour of Ched and his friends in hiring a room in advance, one of them finding a girl and then an assumption that it was ok to watch/film/join in. The girl was clearly intoxicated and they took advantage of this. This behaviour with a girlfriend (who seems to be sticking by him) and as a role model is just not right.

Has he changed his ways? I don't know, but I would not want him doing the community work or being around impressionable kids which is a part of being a pro footballer at my club.

Would I want him at my club? No way.




zeb

3,202 posts

218 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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classy club....classy player

perfect match

TwigtheWonderkid

43,376 posts

150 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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EXKAY120 said:
but EVERYBODY makes mistakes in life, including everyone of you who`s knocking him.
True. I went out on Saturday and stupidly bought medium sliced bread when I wanted thick sliced. So it would be wrong of me to criticise a convicted rapist. rolleyes

The jiffle king

6,914 posts

258 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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I don't think you can classify being convicted of rape as "a mistake".

The set out that evening to bring a girl/s back to the hotel room. They filmed it. They invited each other to the room.

They then left her in the room and went home.


SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Efbe said:
it's also not like you have a right to be a professional footballer.

as has been said many times, in many other industries; when you make a mistake, that's it, you don't get to do that job any more.
Try the financial industry, teaching, anything customer facing, anything with children etc etc. no-one moans when they aren't allowed back to their jobs even after they have served their time.

he should go and get a job in a different industry imo.
If he was previously a delivery driver, you wouldn't be railing against the prospect of him returning to his van.

Efbe

9,251 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
it's also not like you have a right to be a professional footballer.

as has been said many times, in many other industries; when you make a mistake, that's it, you don't get to do that job any more.
Try the financial industry, teaching, anything customer facing, anything with children etc etc. no-one moans when they aren't allowed back to their jobs even after they have served their time.

he should go and get a job in a different industry imo.
If he was previously a delivery driver, you wouldn't be railing against the prospect of him returning to his van.
if customer facing then yes I would. If delivering to my house then I would not use this company. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my house/children/wife.
if delivering to male only warehouses then maybe not, but that's not my call.

If I even get a bad credit rating I don't get to return to my job... ever. Or in any other similar company doing a similar role. Let alone getting a conviction for anything. It doesn't matter how good I am at my job, how much I get paid or make for my company.
I would be out looking for another job in another industry that wasn't interested in whatever I had done.


SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Efbe said:
SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
it's also not like you have a right to be a professional footballer.

as has been said many times, in many other industries; when you make a mistake, that's it, you don't get to do that job any more.
Try the financial industry, teaching, anything customer facing, anything with children etc etc. no-one moans when they aren't allowed back to their jobs even after they have served their time.

he should go and get a job in a different industry imo.
If he was previously a delivery driver, you wouldn't be railing against the prospect of him returning to his van.
if customer facing then yes I would. If delivering to my house then I would not use this company. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my house/children/wife.
if delivering to male only warehouses then maybe not, but that's not my call.
Would you restrict him to male-only petrol stations too?

Efbe said:
If I even get a bad credit rating I don't get to return to my job... ever. Or in any other similar company doing a similar role. Let alone getting a conviction for anything. It doesn't matter how good I am at my job, how much I get paid or make for my company.
I would be out looking for another job in another industry that wasn't interested in whatever I had done.
But we're about to discover that the football industry isn't interested in whatever he's done.

He's free, talented, and (now) cheap. He'll be snapped-up somewhere. If it's your club you have the right to boycott them, but that's why he's cheap. He'll still be worth signing.

Efbe

9,251 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
it's also not like you have a right to be a professional footballer.

as has been said many times, in many other industries; when you make a mistake, that's it, you don't get to do that job any more.
Try the financial industry, teaching, anything customer facing, anything with children etc etc. no-one moans when they aren't allowed back to their jobs even after they have served their time.

he should go and get a job in a different industry imo.
If he was previously a delivery driver, you wouldn't be railing against the prospect of him returning to his van.
if customer facing then yes I would. If delivering to my house then I would not use this company. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my house/children/wife.
if delivering to male only warehouses then maybe not, but that's not my call.
Would you restrict him to male-only petrol stations too?

Efbe said:
If I even get a bad credit rating I don't get to return to my job... ever. Or in any other similar company doing a similar role. Let alone getting a conviction for anything. It doesn't matter how good I am at my job, how much I get paid or make for my company.
I would be out looking for another job in another industry that wasn't interested in whatever I had done.
But we're about to discover that the football industry isn't interested in whatever he's done.

He's free, talented, and (now) cheap. He'll be snapped-up somewhere. If it's your club you have the right to boycott them, but that's why he's cheap. He'll still be worth signing.
working in petrol station? I doubt he would get a job there.

and yes I agree, I think we are about to find that out about the football industry.
If it was my club I would boycott them, but I am no die-hard fan. And it is all about profit.

This may blow over, but I expect to see a few chants made up about this, maybe a little revenue decrease initially.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Efbe said:
working in petrol station? I doubt he would get a job there.

and yes I agree, I think we are about to find that out about the football industry.
If it was my club I would boycott them, but I am no die-hard fan. And it is all about profit.

This may blow over, but I expect to see a few chants made up about this, maybe a little revenue decrease initially.
I meant stopping in a petrol station as a delivery driver. I thought you were being a bit silly about restricting his deliveries to male-only warehouses. smile

I don't think it'll quite blow-over - it'll dog his whole future career. But it won't end it. No chance.

Efbe

9,251 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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SpeckledJim said:
I meant stopping in a petrol station as a delivery driver. I thought you were being a bit silly about restricting his deliveries to male-only warehouses. smile

I don't think it'll quite blow-over - it'll dog his whole future career. But it won't end it. No chance.
I know you did, and yes I was being a little silly... but not completely. Had a quick think about if I would want a rapist delivering to my warehouse if it had female staff members. probably not.

Plenty of other footballers and sportspeople have managed to carry on; though most seem to able to settle out of court so this may have a bearing on it.

dirty boy

14,698 posts

209 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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Busso GTA said:
imagine this tosspot had raped your daughter / sister / mother , would you just put it to the side as a mistake when they struggled with it for the rest of their life ?
I think the pertinent point in the Evans case is that the girl DID NOT say he raped her, the whole case revolved around her going back to the hotel for her lost items, police getting involved and charging him themselves.

Not saying he didn't do it, but he has served his punishment by being in prison and losing part of his life in the process. I don't see the point in then stopping him earning money. This certainly vilification of a man, more because he's a footballer.

I always feel like i'm defending the guy, that's not the case, but I simply don't get this one.


Efbe

9,251 posts

166 months

Tuesday 11th November 2014
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dirty boy said:
I think the pertinent point in the Evans case is that the girl DID NOT say he raped her, the whole case revolved around her going back to the hotel for her lost items, police getting involved and charging him themselves.

Not saying he didn't do it, but he has served his punishment by being in prison and losing part of his life in the process. I don't see the point in then stopping him earning money. This certainly vilification of a man, more because he's a footballer.

I always feel like i'm defending the guy, that's not the case, but I simply don't get this one.
as has been said numerous times. no-one is stopping him going back to work. the question is should someone with this conviction be allowed to work as a footballer.