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SpeckledJim said:
DMN said:
BrabusMog said:
FFS, Lee Hughes KILLED someone and went back to playing without anywhere near as much hyperbole as this.
And theres the crux of the point. Grahem Rix touched up some kids - he carried on in football.
Luke McCormick killed two young kids - he's still playing.
What Evans did was wrong. In every sense it was wrong. It could have never end well for him that night.
However, this witch hunt, this lynch mob, is starting to get just as sick as his actions that night.
He has served his time for an awful crime. That should be it. He is no role model, any decent parent is capable of making this fact clear to their children.
Then he came to play FOR us there was loads of moaning before his debut. He played very well, scored important goals, we got promoted.
Nobody moans about him any more.
He got dogs of abuse last season at York (My Team), however I don't recall seeing anything in the national press.
i'll be interested to see if all these people coming out the woodwork now wind their necks in if he is successful with his appeal.
the whole case doesn't sit easy with me. and going on the evidence I have read over the last few weeks I would say he has a strong case for an appeal.
just to play devils advocate here and going ot in the process why is it if a pair of more of drunk individuals engage in intercourse its the males responsibility to obtain consent? surely if a man is also drunk the woman should be looking for him to consent to any activity or she would be committing sexual assault?
I find the whole affair rather distasteful to be honest and it is turning slowly into a witchhunt against Evans. Surely the man has served his time under UK law and as distasteful as people may find his conviction in the eyes of the law he has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to reintegrate
the whole case doesn't sit easy with me. and going on the evidence I have read over the last few weeks I would say he has a strong case for an appeal.
just to play devils advocate here and going ot in the process why is it if a pair of more of drunk individuals engage in intercourse its the males responsibility to obtain consent? surely if a man is also drunk the woman should be looking for him to consent to any activity or she would be committing sexual assault?
I find the whole affair rather distasteful to be honest and it is turning slowly into a witchhunt against Evans. Surely the man has served his time under UK law and as distasteful as people may find his conviction in the eyes of the law he has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to reintegrate
glasgowrob said:
just to play devils advocate here and going ot in the process why is it if a pair of more of drunk individuals engage in intercourse its the males responsibility to obtain consent? surely if a man is also drunk the woman should be looking for him to consent to any activity or she would be committing sexual assault?
TBH that's a whole other menu there... I think it boils down to the 'logic' that that if a man is that drunk things won't happen.... oh f
k it it's because 
glasgowrob said:
i'll be interested to see if all these people coming out the woodwork now wind their necks in if he is successful with his appeal.
the whole case doesn't sit easy with me. and going on the evidence I have read over the last few weeks I would say he has a strong case for an appeal.
just to play devils advocate here and going ot in the process why is it if a pair of more of drunk individuals engage in intercourse its the males responsibility to obtain consent? surely if a man is also drunk the woman should be looking for him to consent to any activity or she would be committing sexual assault?
I find the whole affair rather distasteful to be honest and it is turning slowly into a witchhunt against Evans. Surely the man has served his time under UK law and as distasteful as people may find his conviction in the eyes of the law he has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to reintegrate
I'm not sure how anyone who is saying he should not go back to UTD will not change their minds if he is found not guilty on appeal. But your statement is missing the point.the whole case doesn't sit easy with me. and going on the evidence I have read over the last few weeks I would say he has a strong case for an appeal.
just to play devils advocate here and going ot in the process why is it if a pair of more of drunk individuals engage in intercourse its the males responsibility to obtain consent? surely if a man is also drunk the woman should be looking for him to consent to any activity or she would be committing sexual assault?
I find the whole affair rather distasteful to be honest and it is turning slowly into a witchhunt against Evans. Surely the man has served his time under UK law and as distasteful as people may find his conviction in the eyes of the law he has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to reintegrate
As far as your next observation then there is a particular biological reaction a male has which makes it very difficult to argue, legally, they are not consenting
Finally, I doubt anyone is saying he cannot intergrate into society. If he was a teacher then you would be happy for him to go back to teaching your daughter ? I somehow think you might not be. The point is there are some jobs which carry a moral code which has a ceiling. Typically jobs which are in the public eye or have a large amount of interaction with the public. I think a footballer is one of those and I think rape is one crime which is below that ceiling. I accept others don't.
As for everyone talking about Lee Hughes, he did not intend to commit his crime. He was also full of remorse from the very day it happened and has never denied his guilt. I suspect that is why there is a different view of him. Of course, what will be interesting is what Evans will say if his sentence is upheld on appeal.
As I said at the start, I don't have particularly strong view on Evans. I'm not going to be outraged if he is re-employed, but I would suggest ethically he should not be.
DMN said:
He is no role model, any decent parent is capable of making this fact clear to their children.
I've been saying this for weeks. My boys understood what rape was from about 7 or 8 yrs old. And realised it was a horrible thing for a man to do. Even if you don't want to explain such a thing to young children, you can still tell them he's done something bad and is not to be admired, despite being a good footballer.It's not rocket surgery.
jcremonini said:
As for everyone talking about Lee Hughes, he did not intend to commit his crime. He was also full of remorse from the very day it happened and has never denied his guilt. I suspect that is why there is a different view of him. Of course, what will be interesting is what Evans will say if his sentence is upheld on appeal.
As I said at the start, I don't have particularly strong view on Evans. I'm not going to be outraged if he is re-employed, but I would suggest ethically he should not be.
He ran off after killing someone with his car and turned himself in 36 hours later.As I said at the start, I don't have particularly strong view on Evans. I'm not going to be outraged if he is re-employed, but I would suggest ethically he should not be.
smn159 said:
Antony Moxey said:
smn159 said:
Antony Moxey said:
I'd imagine in his eyes it's the girl's fault for getting that pished and behaving like a slapper so she's bought it all on herself.
Is that your view of the situation?Just wondering.
Antony Moxey said:
As I said: why were you wondering, it's completely irrelevant what my opinion of Evans is. As for not wanting to answer, why should I, and what difference would it make depending on what answer I gave?
You made the point about three times that Evans believes that the girl bought it on herself, and he didn't need to show any remorse because it was her own fault and in his eyes he's done nothing wrong.Presumably you think he has a point?
smn159 said:
Antony Moxey said:
As I said: why were you wondering, it's completely irrelevant what my opinion of Evans is. As for not wanting to answer, why should I, and what difference would it make depending on what answer I gave?
You made the point about three times that Evans believes that the girl bought it on herself, and he didn't need to show any remorse because it was her own fault and in his eyes he's done nothing wrong.Presumably you think he has a point?
I don't see why you should think you have to sympathise with his viewpoint to understand his viewpoint.
Antony Moxey said:
No, I'm saying HE thinks he has a point. If you thought you were innocent of a crime - which he does - then why would you show remorse or apologise for anything. As far as HE'S concerned, he's done nothing wrong.
I don't see why you should think you have to sympathise with his viewpoint to understand his viewpoint.
Isn't that why he shouldn't play? He hasn't been rehabilitated, he's learned nothing from his time in prison, he thinks he's innocent of rape when he quite clearly isn't. I don't see why you should think you have to sympathise with his viewpoint to understand his viewpoint.
goldblum said:
He's been judged by the country's legal system and served his sentence. Either that's that or all the moaners should start writing to their MPs explaining why they think the justice system in the UK is flawed and what should be done about it. Actually it is...but there you go.
Most employers wouldn't employ or re employ a convicted rapist, mine certainly wouldn't. For most people, If you get convicted of rape, the consequences will go far beyond what the legal system has to offer. Most blokes don't get done for rape. It's not because they're not footballers but because they don't put themselves in that kind of position.
el stovey said:
Isn't that why he shouldn't play? He hasn't been rehabilitated, he's learned nothing from his time in prison, he thinks he's innocent of rape when he quite clearly isn't.
If someone is wrongly imprisoned you're saying they should hold their hands up and say, "yep, I did it. Fair cop" even if they know they didn't do it?el stovey said:
Most employers wouldn't employ or re employ a convicted rapist, mine certainly wouldn't.
Because he thinks it might harm business? A high moral standpoint indeed, if that is the case. If not is he devout?el stovey said:
For most people, If you get convicted of rape, the consequences will go far beyond what the legal system has to offer.
Yes. A conviction for anything will result in stigma particularly with those who carry pitchforks and possess a small mind. el stovey said:
Most blokes don't get done for rape. It's not because they're not footballers but because they don't put themselves in that kind of position.
There was me thinking otherwise.No one is being asked to like Mr. Evans, or employ him themselves. However he has served his time according to the same set of laws you adhere to and I very much suspect if you were convicted of something serious and did time you would feel very hard done by if no one employed you afterwards simply because of self righteous distaste.
Hackney said:
If someone is wrongly imprisoned you're saying they should hold their hands up and say, "yep, I did it. Fair cop" even if they know they didn't do it?
Not at all. But if you've had group sex with a drunk girl when you have a girlfriend and a family, and put people close to you thru hell, you should apologise to all involved for the pain caused by your stupid actions. Even if you think you had consent, you should apologise for causing distress to your victim.What's all this 'wrongly imprisoned' bks, anyway? He turned up at a hotel, after his mate texted him to say that he'd 'found a bird' and shagged a girl who was clearly too drunk to know what was going on while his mates filmed him doing it, before fking off via the fire escape.
And he doesn't see any problem with this?
Poor lamb - he and his camera phone wielding mates were clearly just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
ks, anyway? He turned up at a hotel, after his mate texted him to say that he'd 'found a bird' and shagged a girl who was clearly too drunk to know what was going on while his mates filmed him doing it, before fking off via the fire escape.And he doesn't see any problem with this?
Poor lamb - he and his camera phone wielding mates were clearly just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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