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smn159 said:
What's all this 'wrongly imprisoned' b
ks, anyway? He turned up at a hotel, after his mate texted him to say that he'd 'found a bird' and shagged a girl who was clearly too drunk to know what was going on while his mates filmed him doing it, before fking off via the fire escape.
And he doesn't see any problem with this?
Poor lamb - he and his camera phone wielding mates were clearly just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This. Too many people on here really need to take a long look at their moral compass.ks, anyway? He turned up at a hotel, after his mate texted him to say that he'd 'found a bird' and shagged a girl who was clearly too drunk to know what was going on while his mates filmed him doing it, before fking off via the fire escape.And he doesn't see any problem with this?
Poor lamb - he and his camera phone wielding mates were clearly just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No one is stopping Evans from working. He can go sweep the streets or empty bins. If I was convicted of a serious offence my career would be in ruins and I'd never do the job that I currently do, that I love, and that I'm quite possibly one of the best persons in the UK at, again.
The only person Evans has grovelled an apology to is his mental girlfriend, the one with a rich dad. Disgusting excuse of a man.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Hackney said:
If someone is wrongly imprisoned you're saying they should hold their hands up and say, "yep, I did it. Fair cop" even if they know they didn't do it?
Not at all. But if you've had group sex with a drunk girl when you have a girlfriend and a family, and put people close to you thru hell, you should apologise to all involved for the pain caused by your stupid actions. Even if you think you had consent, you should apologise for causing distress to your victim.You need to remind yourself that this is what HE thinks, not what you think he should think.
TTmonkey said:
This. Too many people on here really need to take a long look at their moral compass.
No one is stopping Evans from working. He can go sweep the streets or empty bins. If I was convicted of a serious offence my career would be in ruins and I'd never do the job that I currently do, that I love, and that I'm quite possibly one of the best persons in the UK at, again.
The only person Evans has grovelled an apology to is his mental girlfriend, the one with a rich dad. Disgusting excuse of a man.
it's got nothing to do with a moral compass - I don't think anyone on here is saying he's a good lad etc etc. It's saying that football does not have a code of conduct as part of their contract and as such there is no legal reason he can't play again. I would imagine in your job (and mine and many others) there is a code of conduct - football there isn't one. should there be one? Given some of the howls of protest possibly there should - will it affect CW? No No one is stopping Evans from working. He can go sweep the streets or empty bins. If I was convicted of a serious offence my career would be in ruins and I'd never do the job that I currently do, that I love, and that I'm quite possibly one of the best persons in the UK at, again.
The only person Evans has grovelled an apology to is his mental girlfriend, the one with a rich dad. Disgusting excuse of a man.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't a clause in football contracts about not bringing the club into disrepute, but contracts in football seem not to be worth the paper they are written on anyway.
irocfan said:
TTmonkey said:
This. Too many people on here really need to take a long look at their moral compass.
No one is stopping Evans from working. He can go sweep the streets or empty bins. If I was convicted of a serious offence my career would be in ruins and I'd never do the job that I currently do, that I love, and that I'm quite possibly one of the best persons in the UK at, again.
The only person Evans has grovelled an apology to is his mental girlfriend, the one with a rich dad. Disgusting excuse of a man.
it's got nothing to do with a moral compass - I don't think anyone on here is saying he's a good lad etc etc. It's saying that football does not have a code of conduct as part of their contract and as such there is no legal reason he can't play again. I would imagine in your job (and mine and many others) there is a code of conduct - football there isn't one. should there be one? Given some of the howls of protest possibly there should - will it affect CW? No No one is stopping Evans from working. He can go sweep the streets or empty bins. If I was convicted of a serious offence my career would be in ruins and I'd never do the job that I currently do, that I love, and that I'm quite possibly one of the best persons in the UK at, again.
The only person Evans has grovelled an apology to is his mental girlfriend, the one with a rich dad. Disgusting excuse of a man.
jcremonini said:
As for everyone talking about Lee Hughes, he did not intend to commit his crime. He was also full of remorse from the very day it happened and has never denied his guilt. I suspect that is why there is a different view of him. Of course, what will be interesting is what Evans will say if his sentence is upheld on appeal.
Going OT now, but it depends what you count as his crime. He didn't intend to crash, clearly, but what he DID intend was:- Leaving 2 badly injured people in the other car at the scene - quite likely leaving them to die
- Hiding for a day and a half (to clear his system of the booze?)
irocfan said:
it's got nothing to do with a moral compass - I don't think anyone on here is saying he's a good lad etc etc. It's saying that football does not have a code of conduct as part of their contract and as such there is no legal reason he can't play again. I would imagine in your job (and mine and many others) there is a code of conduct - football there isn't one. should there be one? Given some of the howls of protest possibly there should - will it affect CW? No
He sets an example of what's acceptable behaviour, both to the fans and to other players. He has bought the club into disrepute, caused a likely loss of sponsorship and doesn't appear to see any problem with the way that he's behaved. To take him back condones a culture of mysogyny at the club. This is what people are objecting to.
smn159 said:
irocfan said:
it's got nothing to do with a moral compass - I don't think anyone on here is saying he's a good lad etc etc. It's saying that football does not have a code of conduct as part of their contract and as such there is no legal reason he can't play again. I would imagine in your job (and mine and many others) there is a code of conduct - football there isn't one. should there be one? Given some of the howls of protest possibly there should - will it affect CW? No
He sets an example of what's acceptable behaviour, both to the fans and to other players. He has bought the club into disrepute, caused a likely loss of sponsorship and doesn't appear to see any problem with the way that he's behaved. To take him back condones a culture of mysogyny at the club. This is what people are objecting to.
goldblum said:
smn159 said:
To take him back condones a culture of mysogyny at the club.
Slightly hysterical don't you think? It may confirm that the club places financial issues ahead of moral judgements but anyone who ever thought football operated any other way has their head screwed on wrong.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Paul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Paul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Tuesday 18th November 09:59
Dan_1981 said:
Ah.... So road sweeper or bin emptier are occupations suitable for rapists?
Glad we got there in the end.
I would add footballer to that list, in fact I hold road sweepers/bin men in higher moral regard than footballers.Glad we got there in the end.
I guess there are certain "professions" that I think shouldn't re-admit convicted criminals - doctors/nurses, lawyers, MPs, accountants, teachers, police and army etc
Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 18th November 10:38
PurpleTurtle said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Paul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Now that is a classy way to get your point across - shame that people on both sides haven't behaved in such a wayPaul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Tuesday 18th November 09:59
hornetrider said:
Just a what if. What if he is exhonerated after the CCRC completres it's review? There's a lot of people going to look a bit silly.
Maybe so, But if you accept the principle of innocent until proven guilty, then he is currently a convicted criminal.
If he is subsequently proven innocent then fair enough. But it would be wrong for any employer to act now in the expectation he will subsequently be found to have been wrongly convicted.
irocfan said:
PurpleTurtle said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
Paul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Now that is a classy way to get your point across - shame that people on both sides haven't behaved in such a wayPaul Heaton of The Beautiful South has now resigned as a patron of the Blades.
"It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation. I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.
I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter"
Probably the most common-sense way forward for all cocerned.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Tuesday 18th November 09:59
hornetrider said:
Just a what if. What if he is exhonerated after the CCRC completres it's review? There's a lot of people going to look a bit silly.
Who?He has been found guilty, that's how the situation has been judged.
if he's then found to be innocent then it's a completely different situation.
The person who looks like an idiot is Evans for getting himself into this situation in the first place.
Ched Evans: Sheffield United U-turn as club decides convicted rapist CANNOT train with them
http://mirr.im/1xSNti5
http://mirr.im/1xSNti5
BlackST said:
Ched Evans: Sheffield United U-turn as club decides convicted rapist CANNOT train with them
http://mirr.im/1xSNti5
yay for rule of law and the fact that vigilantism hasn't been allowed to prevailhttp://mirr.im/1xSNti5
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