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photosnob said:
Sorry mate - my comments were actually tongue in cheek at all the people saying he should apologise for something he feels/says he didn't do. However he has now actually apologised so I was wrong there as well.
Well, the madding crowd got their way again. When he inevitably goes abroad to earn a crust, I wonder what their opinion or actions will be then? Back to hounding others on Twitter etc?.
Chimune said:
hornetrider said:
The jiffle king said:
Just grabbed this quote from the BBC sporty website
Evans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
I'm sorry but that is totally fEvans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
ked up. Whoever made those threats needs to be prosecuted.Also, as an aside, I don't believe it's anything other than more twitter nonsense, ie a hollow threat which would never be acted upon.
"A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the force was not aware of any threats made to anyone connected to Oldham Athletic."
Chimune said:
hornetrider said:
The jiffle king said:
Just grabbed this quote from the BBC sporty website
Evans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
I'm sorry but that is totally fEvans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
ked up. Whoever made those threats needs to be prosecuted.Also, as an aside, I don't believe it's anything other than more twitter nonsense, ie a hollow threat which would never be acted upon.
"A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the force was not aware of any threats made to anyone connected to Oldham Athletic."
photosnob said:
Well it's only a legal nicety that stops women being rapists... I've been absolutely drunk before and in no position to consent and has a girl sleep with me. Where do I sign up to be part of the victims club???
Are you serious? In that case you need to have a word with your MP and the Judiciary, because you're out of line with the way the law is. Put simply (usual caveat about me not being an expert), it says that taking advantage of a woman who is so drunk she can't say no (or yes) is rape. It would be good if we didn't need to have such a law, but we do and I have no problem with it at all.photosnob said:
V8 - stop being daft. If a bar turned me away for not having the right shoes on I wouldn't scream and shout about it. I wouldn't expect all my friends to turn up and picket the place. I certainly wouldn't go to the national newspapers. It's okay to act like this if you can get yourself under the tag of being "oppressed".
I don't really know where to start with this. Breastfeeding isn't the same as a bouncer telling you about your footwear, so the argument doesn't apply.photosnob said:
So so sick of hearing the same nonsense now. Tell me who is more likely to suffer a serious assault, and/or be murdered? Who is more likely to be permanently deformed and injured after an attack? All those statistics and yet we don't have buses driving young men home.
Not really sure what all this is about either. Again, not an expert, but I was having a debate about this with my Ma the other day so looked up some figures Men are much more likely to be assaulted or murdered (mostly by another man) - I think it's 2/3rds to 1/3 for murder, more so for violence. No idea what your point is in relation to breast feeding, the wrong shoes, or footballers with rape convictions. The jiffle king said:
Chimune said:
hornetrider said:
The jiffle king said:
Just grabbed this quote from the BBC sporty website
Evans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
I'm sorry but that is totally fEvans deal to Oldham off
Posted at 12:04
"Sponsor pressure on Oldham has intensified over the last 24 hours to such an extent that Oldham are pulling out of the deal to sign Ched Evans.
"Members of staff - including directors - and their families have been threatened - one board member has been told the address of where his daughter works, and told she will be raped if the club proceeds."
I cannot believe that people can behave like this
ked up. Whoever made those threats needs to be prosecuted.Also, as an aside, I don't believe it's anything other than more twitter nonsense, ie a hollow threat which would never be acted upon.
"A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the force was not aware of any threats made to anyone connected to Oldham Athletic."
V8forweekends said:
photosnob said:
Well it's only a legal nicety that stops women being rapists... I've been absolutely drunk before and in no position to consent and has a girl sleep with me. Where do I sign up to be part of the victims club???
Are you serious? In that case you need to have a word with your MP and the Judiciary, because you're out of line with the way the law is. Put simply (usual caveat about me not being an expert), it says that taking advantage of a woman who is so drunk she can't say no (or yes) is rape. It would be good if we didn't need to have such a law, but we do and I have no problem with it at all.photosnob said:
V8 - stop being daft. If a bar turned me away for not having the right shoes on I wouldn't scream and shout about it. I wouldn't expect all my friends to turn up and picket the place. I certainly wouldn't go to the national newspapers. It's okay to act like this if you can get yourself under the tag of being "oppressed".
I don't really know where to start with this. Breastfeeding isn't the same as a bouncer telling you about your footwear, so the argument doesn't apply.photosnob said:
So so sick of hearing the same nonsense now. Tell me who is more likely to suffer a serious assault, and/or be murdered? Who is more likely to be permanently deformed and injured after an attack? All those statistics and yet we don't have buses driving young men home.
Not really sure what all this is about either. Again, not an expert, but I was having a debate about this with my Ma the other day so looked up some figures Men are much more likely to be assaulted or murdered (mostly by another man) - I think it's 2/3rds to 1/3 for murder, more so for violence. No idea what your point is in relation to breast feeding, the wrong shoes, or footballers with rape convictions. My argument with breastfeeding was that private establishments should be able to do whatever they want within reason. When I was in the armed forces we were always being turned away for being soldiers. We didn't campaign about it, we put up with it. My comments were focussed around my opinion that I see many many things being turned into an issue to make a point/any point. I don't like that. When I go into a smokers home I don't tell them they shouldnt smoke, I don't tell people not to drink even though I'm t-total. I just accept that in someone elses home/business if I don't like their rules I either put up with it or leave.
With regards to the comments about violence and murder - my point was that if you were to believe some sections of the media then male violence towards women is the biggest issue of the day. What I'm saying is that it isn't. If a man is more likely to be harmed than a women. So why do we legislate for one type of less prevalent crime? Why do we hear about it so much in the media? It's because a certain pressure group of vindictive individuals are pushing an agenda. You might be happy accepting that - but I'd rather live in a society where we were all equal under the law, and we all had the same rules to live by and under. And that's not the case.
photosnob said:
Right - your first point. What should I take up with my MP? If a man is drunk and sleeps with a sober man he has made a mistake and would be told that he should watch what he drinks. If the same happens to a women then it's a crime.
Utter crap. If a man is raped by another man while intoxicated he would be expected to press charges and the rapist would expect to be convicted and jailed.Some good points in this article by Rod Liddle:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9...
"He has served the required amount of his sentence, and he should be allowed to do the job he chose and is qualified for"
"The arguments against Evans playing football again are so vacuous as to be beyond parody; it is a froth of fashionable PC outrage, and odious in its implications."
"The truth is that his case is the perfect example of the moronic inferno, the howl round of witlessness and politically motivated confected outrage."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9...
"He has served the required amount of his sentence, and he should be allowed to do the job he chose and is qualified for"
"The arguments against Evans playing football again are so vacuous as to be beyond parody; it is a froth of fashionable PC outrage, and odious in its implications."
"The truth is that his case is the perfect example of the moronic inferno, the howl round of witlessness and politically motivated confected outrage."
Pothole said:
tter crap. If a man is raped by another man while intoxicated he would be expected to press charges and the rapist would expect to be convicted and jailed.
And if a women sleeps with a man who is drunk? Or if a women performs another sex act, is that sexual assault? Women like men are just as capable of being in the wrong... Evans has issued a public sector 'regrets' letter apology. I don't have a problem with that.
Ched Evans is a 'role model'? And those elected representatives and Civil Servants in the public sector that covered up what was going on in Rotherham aren't 'role models'?
'Paedo Protector' would take up as much room as 'Convicted Rapist' on the back of someone's shirt.
Ched Evans is a 'role model'? And those elected representatives and Civil Servants in the public sector that covered up what was going on in Rotherham aren't 'role models'?
'Paedo Protector' would take up as much room as 'Convicted Rapist' on the back of someone's shirt.
photosnob said:
Right - your first point. What should I take up with my MP? If a man is drunk and sleeps with a sober man he has made a mistake and would be told that he should watch what he drinks. If the same happens to a women then it's a crime. I don't actually agree with anyone being assaulted or raped, I think it's a pretty horrific thing to do to someone. Personally I wouldn't get much pleasure with sleeping with someone that is incapable of even speaking. However it doesn't change the fact, that our criminal justice system has been largely politicised with political correctness, and the views of those who shout loudest.
Do you want it to be OK for either sex to do what they want to a drunk/drugged person? Or would you prefer it to be as it is now?photosnob said:
My argument with breastfeeding was that private establishments should be able to do whatever they want within reason. When I was in the armed forces we were always being turned away for being soldiers. We didn't campaign about it, we put up with it. My comments were focussed around my opinion that I see many many things being turned into an issue to make a point/any point. I don't like that. When I go into a smokers home I don't tell them they shouldnt smoke, I don't tell people not to drink even though I'm t-total. I just accept that in someone elses home/business if I don't like their rules I either put up with it or leave.
I don't think the other examples are comparable. I think it's pretty reasonable for a woman to expect she can feed a baby in a restaurant - after all, she's eating herself. I don't see why people have to be so prudish about a perfectly natural thing like that. If you let everywhere have its own rules, you get into a whole load of stuff about having to ask first and crap like that that isn't needed.That's not the same thing at all as respecting other people's right to light up in their own home when you're a visitor.
photosnob said:
With regards to the comments about violence and murder - my point was that if you were to believe some sections of the media then male violence towards women is the biggest issue of the day. What I'm saying is that it isn't. If a man is more likely to be harmed than a women. So why do we legislate for one type of less prevalent crime?
In what way have we done this?photosnob said:
Why do we hear about it so much in the media? It's because a certain pressure group of vindictive individuals are pushing an agenda. You might be happy accepting that - but I'd rather live in a society where we were all equal under the law, and we all had the same rules to live by and under. And that's not the case.
V8forweekends said:
photosnob said:
Right - your first point. What should I take up with my MP? If a man is drunk and sleeps with a sober man he has made a mistake and would be told that he should watch what he drinks. If the same happens to a women then it's a crime. I don't actually agree with anyone being assaulted or raped, I think it's a pretty horrific thing to do to someone. Personally I wouldn't get much pleasure with sleeping with someone that is incapable of even speaking. However it doesn't change the fact, that our criminal justice system has been largely politicised with political correctness, and the views of those who shout loudest.
Do you want it to be OK for either sex to do what they want to a drunk/drugged person? Or would you prefer it to be as it is now?photosnob said:
My argument with breastfeeding was that private establishments should be able to do whatever they want within reason. When I was in the armed forces we were always being turned away for being soldiers. We didn't campaign about it, we put up with it. My comments were focussed around my opinion that I see many many things being turned into an issue to make a point/any point. I don't like that. When I go into a smokers home I don't tell them they shouldnt smoke, I don't tell people not to drink even though I'm t-total. I just accept that in someone elses home/business if I don't like their rules I either put up with it or leave.
I don't think the other examples are comparable. I think it's pretty reasonable for a woman to expect she can feed a baby in a restaurant - after all, she's eating herself. I don't see why people have to be so prudish about a perfectly natural thing like that. If you let everywhere have its own rules, you get into a whole load of stuff about having to ask first and crap like that that isn't needed.That's not the same thing at all as respecting other people's right to light up in their own home when you're a visitor.
photosnob said:
With regards to the comments about violence and murder - my point was that if you were to believe some sections of the media then male violence towards women is the biggest issue of the day. What I'm saying is that it isn't. If a man is more likely to be harmed than a women. So why do we legislate for one type of less prevalent crime?
In what way have we done this?photosnob said:
Why do we hear about it so much in the media? It's because a certain pressure group of vindictive individuals are pushing an agenda. You might be happy accepting that - but I'd rather live in a society where we were all equal under the law, and we all had the same rules to live by and under. And that's not the case.
I think it's pretty reasonable for someone to be allowed to go into a bar no matter what there job is. However thats just not how the world works. If a private establishment doesn't want something to happen, then it shouldn't within reason. I once had a friends fiance around my house who thought it was okay to put a potty down in my lounge for the kid to have a crap... That's natural too, but I made it perfectly clear that it wasn't acceptable in my home.
My original comments were not aimed specifically at you. They are aimed at the the media and political frenzy that follows certain actions. I would add other stuff to this - the fear of terrorism or the belief that a man is going to snatch your kid. However with this topic - there is a LOT of people with nothing better to do than try and turn themselves into a victim. Having an argument and raising your voice is now domestic abuse.
BBC said:
Ched Evans blames 'mob rule' for Oldham deal being pulled
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30734906Here's a tip fella.
Don't rape anyone.
You'll get a better deal.
With a better club.
HTH.
No disrespect to Oldham Athletic.
Oh, too late. NVM.
Edited by Hilts on Thursday 8th January 20:10
Hilts said:
BBC said:
Ched Evans blames 'mob rule' for Oldham deal being pulled
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30734906Here's a tip fella.
Don't rape anyone.
You'll get a better deal.
With a better club.
HTH.
No disrespect to Oldham Athletic.
Oh, too late. NVM.
Edited by Hilts on Thursday 8th January 20:10
Are they dumb? What did they think was going to happen?
Randy Winkman said:
Hilts said:
BBC said:
Ched Evans blames 'mob rule' for Oldham deal being pulled
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30734906Here's a tip fella.
Don't rape anyone.
You'll get a better deal.
With a better club.
HTH.
No disrespect to Oldham Athletic.
Oh, too late. NVM.
Edited by Hilts on Thursday 8th January 20:10
Are they dumb? What did they think was going to happen?
Halb said:
Thought they could handle it, and then the sponsors squeezed hard, and then they realised they had made a colossal mistake. Trying to extricate themselves with minimum fuss.
I wonder if they were trying to make a point (similar to some posters on here) and then realised they couldn't see it through.selym said:
Well, the madding crowd got their way again. When he inevitably goes abroad to earn a crust, I wonder what their opinion or actions will be then? Back to hounding others on Twitter etc?.He can not leave the country whilst released on licence.
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