Ched Evans

[carinaman]

LoonR1 said:

He can not leave the country whilst released on licence.

But Dr Sonia Sharp can get a job in Australia?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/rothe...

How many kids were groomed and raped during her tenure in Rotherham?

Dr Sonia Sharp is obviously a role model.

[LoonR1]

carinaman said:

But Dr Sonia Sharp can get a job in Australia?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/rothe...

How many kids were groomed and raped during her tenure in Rotherham?

Dr Sonia Sharp is obviously a role model.

And a white fish saw bent moonbeams on the bread rust too

[paranoid airbag]

Hilts said:

BBC said:

Ched Evans blames 'mob rule' for Oldham deal being pulled

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30734906

Here's a tip fella.

Don't rape anyone.

You'll get a better deal.

With a better club.

HTH.

No disrespect to Oldham Athletic.

Oh, too late. NVM.

could not feel sympathetic, and just because some hard-of-thinking seem to need it re-iterating: it is a duty of the government to protect you from criminal actions, even if you have a criminal history. NOT to protect you from entirely legal actions others can take if they dislike you.

[V8forweekends]

photosnob said:

What I'd like is equality under the law. I'd personally say taking advantage off someone who was comatose was wrong. However and here is the biggy - if I were to get so drunk I didn't know what was going on, I'd blame myself for the situation I got myself into. If I ended up going to a casino and losing all my money in that state I wouldn't accuse them of theft. I'd accept it for what it was. A female judge recently made a similar argument is a much more articulate way to me.

I think it's pretty reasonable for someone to be allowed to go into a bar no matter what there job is. However thats just not how the world works. If a private establishment doesn't want something to happen, then it shouldn't within reason. I once had a friends fiance around my house who thought it was okay to put a potty down in my lounge for the kid to have a crap... That's natural too, but I made it perfectly clear that it wasn't acceptable in my home.

My original comments were not aimed specifically at you. They are aimed at the the media and political frenzy that follows certain actions. I would add other stuff to this - the fear of terrorism or the belief that a man is going to snatch your kid. However with this topic - there is a LOT of people with nothing better to do than try and turn themselves into a victim. Having an argument and raising your voice is now domestic abuse.

That's all fair enough. Whilst I don't agree with everything you say, believe it or not, I do agree with some of it - especially the stuff about fear of terrorism and kid snatching. What's more, I don't envy Ched or his ilk growing up (he's half my age) in today's world - not one bit. I've often said it was a good job I didn't have any talent at football or music, or I'd probably never have lived this long - but that doesn't mean I think he should be playing as if nothing had happened. BTW for the avoidance of doubt - even though I've said so elswhere, I will say again, I have no time for the people making threats - they should be identified and banged up too.

[greygoose]

GloverMart said:

Interesting developments tonight in that PFA chairman Gordon Taylor has compared the situation of Ched Evans to that of the Hillsborough victims. ie initially thought to be in the wrong but then proved to be innocent.

Good grief, Gordon, that's crass talk at the very least.

Bizarre point to try and make, can't see it being helpful at all.

[LoonR1]

He'll resign by the end of next week. The Scousers will see to that. Watch the uproar tomorrow.

[hornetrider]

greygoose said:

GloverMart said:

Interesting developments tonight in that PFA chairman Gordon Taylor has compared the situation of Ched Evans to that of the Hillsborough victims. ie initially thought to be in the wrong but then proved to be innocent.

Good grief, Gordon, that's crass talk at the very least.

Bizarre point to try and make, can't see it being helpful at all.

The key difference being of course is that the Liverpool fans were merely condemned by The S*n, and exhonerated by the Taylor report shortly afterwards which laid blame for the tragedy at the feet of the police. Whereas Evans has been found guilty in a court of law, albeit his case is now being reviewed by the CCRC.

Gordon Taylor is just a doddery old union official who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. He should probably just be put out to pasture.

[Chimune]

hornetrider said:

Gordon Taylor is just a doddery old union official who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. He should probably just be put out to pasture.

Having listened to him on Today this morning, id have to agree.

[selym]

LoonR1 said:

selym said:

Well, the madding crowd got their way again. When he inevitably goes abroad to earn a crust, I wonder what their opinion or actions will be then? Back to hounding others on Twitter etc?.

He's out of jail on licence. He hasn't "served his time". He can be recalled to prison at any time for any infringement, whether connected to his original crime, or not.

He can not leave the country whilst released on licence.

I haven't said he has served his time, just that he will end up playing abroad at some point.

[V8forweekends]

Bluebarge said:

Then explain why your views on the game of football should be taken seriously when you haven't been to a game for 24 years.

OK, don't take it from me - take from the fans -

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/08/ol...

[V8forweekends]

Alex said:

Some good points in this article by Rod Liddle:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9...

"He has served the required amount of his sentence, and he should be allowed to do the job he chose and is qualified for"

"The arguments against Evans playing football again are so vacuous as to be beyond parody; it is a froth of fashionable PC outrage, and odious in its implications."

"The truth is that his case is the perfect example of the moronic inferno, the howl round of witlessness and politically motivated confected outrage."

And here's an excellent counter to that, better written, too.

https://ellezed.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/i-am-the-...

The author is a woman and a football fan.

Edited by V8forweekends on Friday 9th January 11:22

[Halb]

V8forweekends said:

And here's an excellent counter to that, better written, too.
https://ellezed.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/i-am-the-...
The author is a woman and a football fan.

Lidle is usually more vitriol and self-importance than common sense, he is normally a dick on QT.

[LoonR1]

selym said:

LoonR1 said:

selym said:

Well, the madding crowd got their way again. When he inevitably goes abroad to earn a crust, I wonder what their opinion or actions will be then? Back to hounding others on Twitter etc?.

He's out of jail on licence. He hasn't "served his time". He can be recalled to prison at any time for any infringement, whether connected to his original crime, or not.

He can not leave the country whilst released on licence.

I haven't said he has served his time, just that he will end up playing abroad at some point.

He'll be nearly 30 by the time playing abroad becomes an option. If he hasn't played in nearly 5 years then he'll hardly be an attractive proposition for many clubs

[selym]

LoonR1 said:

He'll be nearly 30 by the time playing abroad becomes an option. If he hasn't played in nearly 5 years then he'll hardly be an attractive proposition for many clubs

Eerily, Lee Hughes' situation mirrors this in some aspects. He was imprisoned for 6 years, out in 3 (not 5, granted) but came straight back into football. At 30-31. It's not beyond an athlete, if dedicated enough, to train through that period and get back to a decent level of football, and a wage.

[LoonR1]

selym said:

Eerily, Lee Hughes' situation mirrors this in some aspects. He was imprisoned for 6 years, out in 3 (not 5, granted) but came straight back into football. At 30-31. It's not beyond an athlete, if dedicated enough, to train through that period and get back to a decent level of football, and a wage.

IMO Lee Hughes' crime was far worse, but it was a different world then. We've now got the handwringing being the norm and socia media makes everyone's opinion gets shared world wide instantly.

Strangely it was Oldham that gave Hughes his route back into football too.

[selym]

LoonR1 said:

IMO Lee Hughes' crime was far worse, but it was a different world then. We've now got the handwringing being the norm and socia media makes everyone's opinion gets shared world wide instantly.

Strangely it was Oldham that gave Hughes his route back into football too.

I'm only really seeing the coincidences in time away from the sport and age when returning. I think most of then country wants to line up and hear Evans apologise to THEM, and promise to do some minimum wage job for the rest of his life, as extra penance. A little extra sentence, if you like.

[goldblum]

selym said:

I think most of then country wants to line up and hear Evans apologise to THEM,

Most of the country couldn't care less, but a tiny but very vocal PC minority would like to extend sentencing in law by way of mob pressure to cover some kind of post-sentence employment. A sentence beyond a sentence, if you like. It's worrying and speaks volumes for the way British society has changed.

[Halb]

I believe a lot of people do care, and simply don't wish to see people cheering on a raper.
On the news that was the opinion of an Oldham fan, he would have quit the club because he wouldn't ant his son cheering a rapist. That was next to a fella who didn't care.
In my opinion rape being worse than other crimes having been mentioned in comparison in this thread. And people I am friends with mostly think it's not on.
I think Jimmy Wales hit the nail on the head, along with David Davis, last night on QT.

[selym]

goldblum said:

Most of the country couldn't care less, but a tiny but very vocal PC minority would like to extend sentencing in law by way of mob pressure to cover some kind of post-sentence employment. A sentence beyond a sentence, if you like. It's worrying and speaks volumes for the way British society has changed.

You are indeed right, a minority with a very loud and threatening voice.

[goldblum]

Halb said:

I believe a lot of people do care, and simply don't wish to see people cheering on a raper.
On the news that was the opinion of an Oldham fan, he would have quit the club because he wouldn't ant his son cheering a rapist. That was next to a fella who didn't care.
In my opinion rape being worse than other crimes having been mentioned in comparison in this thread. And people I am friends with mostly think it's not on.

Who is "cheering him on"? D'you mean the incidental fact that his employment in football might mean he is cheered for his on-pitch actions and people can't tell the difference between that and condoning his actions in the rape case?

It may seem distasteful, but we the public are not the lawmakers and we should abide by what the courts decide. Further, opinion in this matter is a purely subjective construct whereas laws are decided on an as much of an objective level as possible. They should apply to all, equally.