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mikees said:
XM5ER said:
BrabusMog said:
X5MER, you edited someone's post to make them look racist. That's totally out of order.
No I didn't I quoted them and edited for accuracy. It's not half as out of order as calling a group of people f
king idiots just because he doesn't like them. Bigotry is bigotry whether it's based on race, religion, class or cash.Do you believe that the most footballers are well educated, intelligent, erudite individuals.
Please use the behaviour towards Matt le tissier (sp) and Graeme le soux in your answer please ( gay for reading the guardian or having a degree). Extra marks will be given for quotes from Wayne Rooney, where he uses quotes from Plato, Freud or Goethe
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Sorry if I have missed it, but have they got to the "missing" evidence that was not presented at the first trial? I haven't seen or heard anything different from the first trial yet..
I don't know what the new evidence is, but he admits he got a duplicate key from reception, went into the room in the dark, didn't speak to the girl, had sex with her, and hen left via the fire escape.Romance hey?
Trial said:
Mr Evans was asked why he decided to enter the room after getting a key from reception.
"I was just being childish," he said. "There was nothing more sinister than that."
The court heard the lights were out when he went in.
Mr Medland said: "I'm going to suggest that she did not even know it was you [having sex with her]."
"She did know it was me," Mr Evans replied. "I would not hurt a girl, I would not do anything to harm a girl."
He told jurors he would not have performed a sex act on the woman had she not asked him to, but accepted he never spoke to her.
"It was a moment that we were all caught up in. It was not the right time for a conversation," he said.
"I was just being childish," he said. "There was nothing more sinister than that."
The court heard the lights were out when he went in.
Mr Medland said: "I'm going to suggest that she did not even know it was you [having sex with her]."
"She did know it was me," Mr Evans replied. "I would not hurt a girl, I would not do anything to harm a girl."
He told jurors he would not have performed a sex act on the woman had she not asked him to, but accepted he never spoke to her.
"It was a moment that we were all caught up in. It was not the right time for a conversation," he said.
SilverSpur said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Sorry if I have missed it, but have they got to the "missing" evidence that was not presented at the first trial? I haven't seen or heard anything different from the first trial yet..
I don't know what the new evidence is, but he admits he got a duplicate key from reception, went into the room in the dark, didn't speak to the girl, had sex with her, and hen left via the fire escape.Romance hey?
Trial said:
Mr Evans was asked why he decided to enter the room after getting a key from reception.
"I was just being childish," he said. "There was nothing more sinister than that."
The court heard the lights were out when he went in.
Mr Medland said: "I'm going to suggest that she did not even know it was you [having sex with her]."
"She did know it was me," Mr Evans replied. "I would not hurt a girl, I would not do anything to harm a girl."
He told jurors he would not have performed a sex act on the woman had she not asked him to, but accepted he never spoke to her.
"It was a moment that we were all caught up in. It was not the right time for a conversation," he said.
"I was just being childish," he said. "There was nothing more sinister than that."
The court heard the lights were out when he went in.
Mr Medland said: "I'm going to suggest that she did not even know it was you [having sex with her]."
"She did know it was me," Mr Evans replied. "I would not hurt a girl, I would not do anything to harm a girl."
He told jurors he would not have performed a sex act on the woman had she not asked him to, but accepted he never spoke to her.
"It was a moment that we were all caught up in. It was not the right time for a conversation," he said.
BBC said:
When asked by his barrister why he let himself into the room, Mr Evans said he was "just being childish".
When asked what he thought was happening in the room, he replied: "I didn't know for sure what was happening in the room.
"I thought they might be having sex and I could not be sure what was happening but I was just being childish."
Mr Evans added: "When I walked in, the door slammed and they [Mr McDonald and the complainant] both looked at me and Clay looked at her and said: 'Can my mate join in?'"
"Did she answer?" Miss Khan asked.
"She looked at me and said, 'yes'," Mr Evans said.
He said the girl later asked him to perform a sex act on her before they had intercourse.
'Giggling'
When asked how she responded, he said: "She was just making noises like she was enjoying herself."
Mr Evans said his brother and their friend were "giggling" at the window, before a light was switched off in the room.
When asked what he thought was happening in the room, he replied: "I didn't know for sure what was happening in the room.
"I thought they might be having sex and I could not be sure what was happening but I was just being childish."
Mr Evans added: "When I walked in, the door slammed and they [Mr McDonald and the complainant] both looked at me and Clay looked at her and said: 'Can my mate join in?'"
"Did she answer?" Miss Khan asked.
"She looked at me and said, 'yes'," Mr Evans said.
He said the girl later asked him to perform a sex act on her before they had intercourse.
'Giggling'
When asked how she responded, he said: "She was just making noises like she was enjoying herself."
Mr Evans said his brother and their friend were "giggling" at the window, before a light was switched off in the room.
Both statements say the women did know he was there.
zeb said:
desolate said:
That sounds a bit dodgy.
I don't recall that last time.
christ !! you were there too??I don't recall that last time.
I worked at a football agent at the time and the case was followed closely as whether he is guilty or not it is a lesson to young men who can readily find themselves in such situations.
desolate said:
No!
I worked at a football agent at the time
I've often wondered if that role/industry is as interesting as I perceive it to be.I worked at a football agent at the time
I support Reading and there are a few players there who are good prospects with a future ahead of them with high earning potential. They're agents are cousins, fathers etc and by most accounts are a hindrance rather than help to their careers.
Was it Paul Scholes who didn't have an agent through his whole career?
Maybe worth a thread of it's own if there are a few people interested/involved in the business.
ReallyReallyGood said:
desolate said:
it is a lesson to young men who can readily find themselves in such situations.
Really!?I can bore you about risk assessment etc on another thread if you want. As it's a totally different discussion as to whether this is rape or not.
FrankAbagnale said:
I've often wondered if that role/industry is as interesting as I perceive it to be.
I support Reading and there are a few players there who are good prospects with a future ahead of them with high earning potential. They're agents are cousins, fathers etc and by most accounts are a hindrance rather than help to their careers.
Was it Paul Scholes who didn't have an agent through his whole career?
Maybe worth a thread of it's own if there are a few people interested/involved in the business.
There are far more sorry tales than you could ever imagine.I support Reading and there are a few players there who are good prospects with a future ahead of them with high earning potential. They're agents are cousins, fathers etc and by most accounts are a hindrance rather than help to their careers.
Was it Paul Scholes who didn't have an agent through his whole career?
Maybe worth a thread of it's own if there are a few people interested/involved in the business.
I was only a non exec on behalf of an investor but it was a fascinating business and the sprinkle of glamour draws all sorts into it.
I'd happily contribute to another thread.
desolate said:
ReallyReallyGood said:
desolate said:
it is a lesson to young men who can readily find themselves in such situations.
Really!?king some legless bint they've picked up. In fact, the calls rarely stop. Pisses the wife right off."Who the hell's that at this time of night?"
"Errr...wrong number dearest....just going for a walk."
I always said yes and thought no more of it until the Ched Evans case. That's when I suddenly realised the dangers.
desolate said:
No!
I worked at a football agent at the time and the case was followed closely as whether he is guilty or not it is a lesson to young men who can readily find themselves in such situations.
thats a comfort.....I was starting to think those travelodge rooms must have been very big........I worked at a football agent at the time and the case was followed closely as whether he is guilty or not it is a lesson to young men who can readily find themselves in such situations.
Well done - it's only taken him 5 years to come forward....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder atmotions motivations (bloody mobile phone typing!) etc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at
Edited by irocfan on Tuesday 11th October 21:34
irocfan said:
Well done - it's only taken him 5 years to come forward....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
is this the "missing" evidence from before?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
irocfan said:
Well done - it's only taken him 5 years to come forward....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
I'm not sure why he would have come forward before, especially as he may not have known that she was the victim. I also wonder why it's relevant. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
Evanivitch said:
irocfan said:
Well done - it's only taken him 5 years to come forward....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
I'm not sure why he would have come forward before, especially as he may not have known that she was the victim. I also wonder why it's relevant. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37616871
Does make wonder at motions etc
It also raises the doubt about how traumatised she was by the rape. Would a rape victim be back out sleeping with guys right away if a rape have such a dramatic effect on them?
Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 11th October 19:15
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