The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]
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hornetrider said:
tux said:
Danny Ings. LOL.
What the actual. I hear it's another case of we buy him and loan him back til the summer. f
k me. We need someone now. Dicks.
T3LLIOTT said:
Why not go for Ings? Has a good work rate, good movement, proven goalscorer, still young at only 22 and out of contract at the end of the year so will be (reasonably) cheap.
Worth a shot imo.
I think the issue is that he will stay at Burnley on loan till the end of the season when really we could do with him now. Otherwise he is potentially a good signing and should be cheap as he's out of contract in the summerWorth a shot imo.
addey said:
I think the issue is that he will stay at Burnley on loan till the end of the season when really we could do with him now. Otherwise he is potentially a good signing and should be cheap as he's out of contract in the summer
Yep under 24 so compensation has to be paid - could do with him as cover now - being mobile , and quick is as important to who plays up front for us as a BIG name. We have shown with playing Raheem up front who is no striker what we can do when we work as a unit and move into space.Does not get you super excited but if he gets rid of Borini, Mario and Ricky this summer I would expect Origi, Ings , DS and 1 other ( that 1 other might be more of a name, which people clam for)
T3LLIOTT said:
Why not go for Ings? Has a good work rate, good movement, proven goalscorer, still young at only 22 and out of contract at the end of the year so will be (reasonably) cheap.
Worth a shot imo.
This is where Liverpool go wrong in my opinion. Trying to recruit way too much young potential with no proven world class quality to go along side it. We sell Suarez and we recruit Lambert, Balotelli and Origi. I have always said quality not quantity. You pay peanuts, you get... In this life, you get what you pay for.Worth a shot imo.
Ings for me, whilst he has undoubted talent and potential, would be the wrong signing. What we need right now who is an outstanding PROVEN talent in both CL and a top league. There are players out there; Liverpool CAN afford them but FSG want to continue recruiting potential and still make top 4 every year. That philosophy is not compatible generally IMO.
We already have Origi - BR went and bought him. Again, could be a star. But back that up by bringing in a quality proven striker. Over the last 20+ years Liverpool have bought many sub-£10m players... Diouf, Vorinin, Morientes, N'Gog, Yesil, Borini. I could go on trust me. Can you name me two players that were bought for sub-£10m in last two decades that went on to be truly world class? I can't think of any. Fowler and Owen were both from the academy. Suarez and Torres show that if spend £20m+ you can reap the rewards. Carroll and Keane at £20+ were flops but generally it evens itself out over time.
Liverpool don't need Ings, not because he is an exciting potential (and he may well go on and become a star) but because we buy way too many of them and practically zero really go on to make it, which in turn harms Liverpool results and chances of top 4 and challenging for the title.
type-r said:
What we need right now who is an outstanding PROVEN talent in both CL and a top league. There are players out there; Liverpool CAN afford them but FSG want to continue recruiting potential and still make top 4 every year. That philosophy is not compatible generally IMO.
Who?Remember it's January, not the summer, and you have FFP to keep in mind.
Cie said:
type-r said:
What we need right now who is an outstanding PROVEN talent in both CL and a top league. There are players out there; Liverpool CAN afford them but FSG want to continue recruiting potential and still make top 4 every year. That philosophy is not compatible generally IMO.
Who?Remember it's January, not the summer, and you have FFP to keep in mind.
Cie said:
Who?
Remember it's January, not the summer, and you have FFP to keep in mind.
100% correct - we are already been looked at - so many fans ignore thisRemember it's January, not the summer, and you have FFP to keep in mind.
Also we dont know anything about his Summer plans - he might have someone earmarked and Ings will be one of 4 but he wants to get it done now as out of contract in the summer.
m3sye said:
Some good reads
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
Indeed, thanks for those. Interesting stuff.http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
type-r said:
I am not saying Liverpool should buy anyone right now. It is difficult due to the middle of the season and often prices are inflated premiums because of it. What I am saying is that Ings is not who we should be looking to buy. If the plan is offload the 3 amigos in the summer (Lambert, Borini, Balotelli) and then supplement with a proven striker in the summer, then it could work. But only if that is Rodgers plan.
But we wont know that till the summer - so if he buys him know what we all gonna do ? start calling for BR again?
I understand that people want Liverpool to get a big name striker, but realistically who is out there that we could buy and more importantly would fit into our system?
Ballotelli was a 'big name' and look how that has turned out. Even Lambert who had a great goal scoring record at Southampton has been poor after being one of last seasons top scorers (Yes I know he was brought in as an impact player to change a game if our usual playing style wasn't effective).
I would much rather buy a player like Ings who does score goals and would would fit into our pressing and attacking style of play, than throw 20m+ on a big name that might/might not work.
You just need to look at our best attacking players at the moment - Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (when fit). All are young, were bought for a great price, but more importantly, they fitted into the system we play which has made them flourish under Rodgers.
In my opinion, I think Ings has the same chance of being a success at Liverpool than any big name, as he has got a lot of attributes going for him Liverpool require. I would however want Liverpool to sign him now, rather than loan him back to Burnley, as I just don't see the logic behind that when Origi will be in the picture come next season.
Ballotelli was a 'big name' and look how that has turned out. Even Lambert who had a great goal scoring record at Southampton has been poor after being one of last seasons top scorers (Yes I know he was brought in as an impact player to change a game if our usual playing style wasn't effective).
I would much rather buy a player like Ings who does score goals and would would fit into our pressing and attacking style of play, than throw 20m+ on a big name that might/might not work.
You just need to look at our best attacking players at the moment - Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (when fit). All are young, were bought for a great price, but more importantly, they fitted into the system we play which has made them flourish under Rodgers.
In my opinion, I think Ings has the same chance of being a success at Liverpool than any big name, as he has got a lot of attributes going for him Liverpool require. I would however want Liverpool to sign him now, rather than loan him back to Burnley, as I just don't see the logic behind that when Origi will be in the picture come next season.
m3sye said:
But we wont know that till the summer - so if he buys him know what we all gonna do ? start calling for BR again?
It is a double edged sword. If we don't get champions league, we probably will struggle to recruit the top striker we are after.Calling BR to go is obviously not the answer; he is done well within the means he has been given (and indeed chosen via the TC).
T3LLIOTT said:
I understand that people want Liverpool to get a big name striker, but realistically who is out there that we could buy and more importantly would fit into our system?
Ballotelli was a 'big name' and look how that has turned out. Even Lambert who had a great goal scoring record at Southampton has been poor after being one of last seasons top scorers (Yes I know he was brought in as an impact player to change a game if our usual playing style wasn't effective).
I would much rather buy a player like Ings who does score goals and would would fit into our pressing and attacking style of play, than throw 20m+ on a big name that might/might not work.
You just need to look at our best attacking players at the moment - Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (when fit). All are young, were bought for a great price, but more importantly, they fitted into the system we play which has made them flourish under Rodgers.
In my opinion, I think Ings has the same chance of being a success at Liverpool than any big name, as he has got a lot of attributes going for him Liverpool require. I would however want Liverpool to sign him now, rather than loan him back to Burnley, as I just don't see the logic behind that when Origi will be in the picture come next season.
Agree on the big name thing. However, if that article above is to be believed, Ings has a 38% strike rate - same as Borini and less then Lambert and Balotelli. And only a few months experience in the top flight. It would be a big gamble.Ballotelli was a 'big name' and look how that has turned out. Even Lambert who had a great goal scoring record at Southampton has been poor after being one of last seasons top scorers (Yes I know he was brought in as an impact player to change a game if our usual playing style wasn't effective).
I would much rather buy a player like Ings who does score goals and would would fit into our pressing and attacking style of play, than throw 20m+ on a big name that might/might not work.
You just need to look at our best attacking players at the moment - Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge (when fit). All are young, were bought for a great price, but more importantly, they fitted into the system we play which has made them flourish under Rodgers.
In my opinion, I think Ings has the same chance of being a success at Liverpool than any big name, as he has got a lot of attributes going for him Liverpool require. I would however want Liverpool to sign him now, rather than loan him back to Burnley, as I just don't see the logic behind that when Origi will be in the picture come next season.
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