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The difference last season was Suarez, not Bodge. Take out his goals and assists and we're in pretty much the same position this season. FACT.
If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
king bike broke down. That was a barrel of laughs.RedTrident said:
The difference last season was Suarez, not Bodge. Take out his goals and assists and we're in pretty much the same position this season. FACT.
If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
So, bad performance = manager, good performance = players?If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
Look at it this way; we've played most of the season with no proper striker. And yet we're 4 points off 4th place, assuming we win our game in hand. Even if we had a reasonable striker (let alone Suarez) we would probably be making the top 4 this year. So yes, it was Suarez who helped, but if you consider what has happened with the lack of strikers this season then it's not a surprise. Add a few quality players to the squad now and I think we can improve next year (they will also pull up the performance of some of the others who are underperforming, like you say Suarez did). Last season we needed quite a lot of new players as the squad was so thin, so I don't think we could have gone that route. However with a young more full squad I think a few quality buys would be the best way to go this season (if the money is there). Starting with a striker (although who I am not sure, I don't think it's Origi).
RedTrident said:
The difference last season was Suarez, not Bodge. Take out his goals and assists and we're in pretty much the same position this season. FACT.
If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
You really are deluded! Take a star/key player out if any team & see what happens.... Lose your second top scorer for most of the season & see what happens. Stomp your feet as much as you want, any team misses world class players, especially when your squad is small compared to billionaire owned clubs. If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
Straight answer, who is:
A) going to REALISTICALLY replace him
B) going to actually want to come
C) we can afford to employ
????
NRS said:
RedTrident said:
The difference last season was Suarez, not Bodge. Take out his goals and assists and we're in pretty much the same position this season. FACT.
If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
So, bad performance = manager, good performance = players?If he's here next season it'll be more of the same. We'll see what FSG do. Its no secret that I despise the man and want him gone. He's a fraud. If he were to go he would never manage at this level again.
Look at it this way; we've played most of the season with no proper striker. And yet we're 4 points off 4th place, assuming we win our game in hand. Even if we had a reasonable striker (let alone Suarez) we would probably be making the top 4 this year. So yes, it was Suarez who helped, but if you consider what has happened with the lack of strikers this season then it's not a surprise. Add a few quality players to the squad now and I think we can improve next year (they will also pull up the performance of some of the others who are underperforming, like you say Suarez did). Last season we needed quite a lot of new players as the squad was so thin, so I don't think we could have gone that route. However with a young more full squad I think a few quality buys would be the best way to go this season (if the money is there). Starting with a striker (although who I am not sure, I don't think it's Origi).
We're not 4 points off 4th. What nonsense are you on about? What makes you even think of counting points we don't have?
What makes you think Bodge has any record of signing quality players? This is the man who wanted Dempsey ahead of Sturridge. Who didn't know who Coutinho was and insisted on bringing in Lovren. Who keeps played Joe Allen who is a complete lightweight. As for Markovich, how does he get in the starting line up? He's failed every time he's played and then is re-introduced not as a sub but in the starting team of big games.
He doesn't even know his best formation never mind his first 11.
You're of course allowed to think what you want. I think he's been found out and if he were to still be here next season we'd see exactly the same as this.
He's track record over his full premier league tenure is that of a mid table team. It was Suarez who got the most out of the squad last season, not Bodge.
RWD cossie wil said:
You really are deluded! Take a star/key player out if any team & see what happens.... Lose your second top scorer for most of the season & see what happens. Stomp your feet as much as you want, any team misses world class players, especially when your squad is small compared to billionaire owned clubs.
Straight answer, who is:
A) going to REALISTICALLY replace him
B) going to actually want to come
C) we can afford to employ
????
I am not sure any of us pretend to have worldwide knowledge of all the managers who are performing out there but I am sure FSG do have this kind of information.Straight answer, who is:
A) going to REALISTICALLY replace him
B) going to actually want to come
C) we can afford to employ
????
3 type of people here with BR
1) Those who want him gone
2) Those who think he will be gone
3) Those who want him here
I am in number 2) - if we dont get top - do I know who we will replace him with? Nope, I dont pretend to know all the decent managers out there but if you genuinely believe that FSG wont be looking at Rodgers this year if we finish 5th,6th or 7th you are blinkered. We got rid of a club legend who took us to 2 cup finals, won a cup , and got 7th - they wont think twice about sacking Rodgers.
RedTrident said:
Who's fault is it we've played without a proper striker. Borini was Bodge's man, as was Lambert. There's a striker in Mario but I'm sure it helps that the manager publicly goes on record saying Mario's not wanted and then finds him in the team.
We're not 4 points off 4th. What nonsense are you on about? What makes you even think of counting points we don't have?
What makes you think Bodge has any record of signing quality players? This is the man who wanted Dempsey ahead of Sturridge. Who didn't know who Coutinho was and insisted on bringing in Lovren. Who keeps played Joe Allen who is a complete lightweight. As for Markovich, how does he get in the starting line up? He's failed every time he's played and then is re-introduced not as a sub but in the starting team of big games.
He doesn't even know his best formation never mind his first 11.
You're of course allowed to think what you want. I think he's been found out and if he were to still be here next season we'd see exactly the same as this.
He's track record over his full premier league tenure is that of a mid table team. It was Suarez who got the most out of the squad last season, not Bodge.
Well, it's a game in hand, so as I stated 4 points off fourth if we win...We're not 4 points off 4th. What nonsense are you on about? What makes you even think of counting points we don't have?
What makes you think Bodge has any record of signing quality players? This is the man who wanted Dempsey ahead of Sturridge. Who didn't know who Coutinho was and insisted on bringing in Lovren. Who keeps played Joe Allen who is a complete lightweight. As for Markovich, how does he get in the starting line up? He's failed every time he's played and then is re-introduced not as a sub but in the starting team of big games.
He doesn't even know his best formation never mind his first 11.
You're of course allowed to think what you want. I think he's been found out and if he were to still be here next season we'd see exactly the same as this.
He's track record over his full premier league tenure is that of a mid table team. It was Suarez who got the most out of the squad last season, not Bodge.
Lambert was never supposed to be a "proper" striker, just a cheap option to try something different. Borini would have been gone if we could have got rid of him, not much option there after seeing he wasn't what we wanted. Mario seems to have been forced on him, and it was obvious to almost everyone that he wasn't the type of player we need up front. Lovren? I challenge you to find one post on the entire internet which said Lovren would be a bad buy when we got him? Allen isn't the best, but he certainly isn't the worst for his position, which is to move the ball between players in a safe manner. No point in comparing him to someone like PC, as he's not in that role. Marko I agree with, nowhere near good enough in defense and doesn't add enough in attack compared to others. I agree there are questions on his buys, but there is still questions on how much is him and how much is the transfer committee. Yes, you can say the top managers would demand control of this, but if the people who pay your wage tell you to do something then you have to do it. You should call for FSG to go if you're going to complain about people being forced on a manager, as we cannot get better managers who will demand complete control over transfers if FSG won't allow it.
As for not knowing the best 11 - actually a lot of the changing this season is a combination of injuries and suspensions, so he has to be rotating players. Not to mention the extra games we have played this season meaning some players have to be rested. Yes, some of his squads and subs have been a bit "what on earth?!" but then your favourite (at least until we get him again) manager of Rafa would put on a defensive sub when we were playing the "teams we should be" when drawing or losing, with exactly the same "what on earth" remarks being thrown at him. And guess what, with so many new players the manager will need to see who can play best together, what setups work best and so on. This season was always going to be a learning one after what happened in the summer.
Lets put it this way - what position do you think we would have got this season if we had Suarez in our squad, considering how close we are to 4th? Of course part of the reason was Suarez, but look at the points, and if we had a decent striker we would have certainly been right up there again this season, despite it going so bad for some parts of it. Mid table team... an average of 4.5 place plus whatever happens this season suggests a team in the top 25%, not mid and 50%.
m3sye said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp... -- surely UTD are faves here
talkSPORT's Dutch football expert Marcel van der Kraan on Depay:"Liverpool, so far, have had the strongest contact with PSV. They are in official talks, the board of PSV told us that. PSV want £25m for Depay and Liverpool have not been scared off by that figure."
Be Shocked to see this happen - to many big guns will be after this lad
m3sye said:
m3sye said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp... -- surely UTD are faves here
talkSPORT's Dutch football expert Marcel van der Kraan on Depay:"Liverpool, so far, have had the strongest contact with PSV. They are in official talks, the board of PSV told us that. PSV want £25m for Depay and Liverpool have not been scared off by that figure."
Be Shocked to see this happen - to many big guns will be after this lad
m3sye said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp... -- surely UTD are faves here
Well that's it then really Brens staying end of, stop arguing amongst ourselves, get the popcorn in and watch Brendan sell the crap he bought and replace it with more crap with the blessing of FSG. Once its underway we can then resume arguing over how crap / uncrap they are and how we are building for the future and losing 7 - 1 to Bournemouth was a one off.m3sye said:
m3sye said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp... -- surely UTD are faves here
talkSPORT's Dutch football expert Marcel van der Kraan on Depay:"Liverpool, so far, have had the strongest contact with PSV. They are in official talks, the board of PSV told us that. PSV want £25m for Depay and Liverpool have not been scared off by that figure."
Be Shocked to see this happen - to many big guns will be after this lad
Blib said:
Should Steven Gerrard have retired at the end of last season?
They say go out on a high! I think the problem is BR favoured system leaves little room for SG to play apart from as an impact sub for last 30.He just doesnt have the legs for 90 mins of action in how BR ideally wants to play. Many problems we have suffered this year have come from trying to solve that problem amongst others.
7lucky7 said:
RedTrident said:
The difference last season was Suarez, not Bodge. Take out his goals and assists and we're in pretty much the same position this season. FACT.
It's not a fact at all. We are also missing Sturridge's 30 odd goals and assists from last season.7lucky7 said:
It's not a fact at all. We are also missing Sturridge's 30 odd goals and assists from last season.
Indeed. Last season we had Sturridge and Suarez. And when Suarez wasn't around, we had Sturridge still scoring goals. This season Suarez is not there and - for the vast majority of the season - neither has Sturridge. And Borini, Balo and Lambert have not filled the gap. Instead we've had to turn to Sterling who clearly needs to work on his shooting (despite the odd goal which might make you think otherwise).DSLiverpool said:
m3sye said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp... -- surely UTD are faves here
Well that's it then really Brens staying end of, stop arguing amongst ourselves, get the popcorn in and watch Brendan sell the crap he bought and replace it with more crap with the blessing of FSG. Once its underway we can then resume arguing over how crap / uncrap they are and how we are building for the future and losing 7 - 1 to Bournemouth was a one off.Johnson - player who most people on here have said is not good enough and was just wanting the money move at the end of the season.
Borini - tried to move him on already, has almost never played
Lambert - not really been given a chance, but never was supposed to be a first team player anyway.
Balotelli - doesn't fit our style at all, got almost no goals anyway so no loss.
Gerrard - legend, but isn't good enough to be a main part of the team these days.
Brad Jones - didn't do well when he had the few games, but Mignolet has also stepped up and improved a lot
Toure - wasn't a big signing, has done ok sometimes
Manquillo - loan deal, ended up not really getting games. Whole part of loan deal is to deepen squad/ test how a player is so no big loss.
Need to make sure we don't lose Skrtel, he's one of the few members of the team who have a bit of grit, not just talent/ potential talent. If we add a good striker, and maybe one or two experience decent players to help work with the potential talent we have think next season could be pretty ok.
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