The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]
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I'd ship Lovren out. Sakho for me is the preferred left sided centre back either in a back 2 or 3. Keep Skrtel and if we bring back Ilori we just need to bring in a experienced veteran and/or promote Wisdom.
Our full/wing backs are weak. Moreno, Ibe, Flanagan are all very inexperienced. We need at least one proven quality full back.
Can will surely move in to central midfield with Henderson, Lucas and maybe Allen also featuring. I'd sell Allen but would also consider selling Lucas also. Regardless, we need to replace Gerrard and will no doubt bring in one proven central midfielder.
Attacking midfield, if we sell Sterling then all that leaves us is Lallana, who has been average, and Coutinho. That would work if these 2 would rotate as no 10 players. Laser I'd at least loan out.
We then need 2 strikers. A half fit Daniel Sturridge, is all we really have. Origi hasn't set the world on fire. Even if we keep Mario we should be bringing in 2 strikers. One that is as dynamic as Sturridge and one that can finish.
Some serious rebuilding to be done. Only Can from last summers spending would feature in my match day squad. Every other signing has underwhelmed.
Our full/wing backs are weak. Moreno, Ibe, Flanagan are all very inexperienced. We need at least one proven quality full back.
Can will surely move in to central midfield with Henderson, Lucas and maybe Allen also featuring. I'd sell Allen but would also consider selling Lucas also. Regardless, we need to replace Gerrard and will no doubt bring in one proven central midfielder.
Attacking midfield, if we sell Sterling then all that leaves us is Lallana, who has been average, and Coutinho. That would work if these 2 would rotate as no 10 players. Laser I'd at least loan out.
We then need 2 strikers. A half fit Daniel Sturridge, is all we really have. Origi hasn't set the world on fire. Even if we keep Mario we should be bringing in 2 strikers. One that is as dynamic as Sturridge and one that can finish.
Some serious rebuilding to be done. Only Can from last summers spending would feature in my match day squad. Every other signing has underwhelmed.
GloverMart said:
I've said it before on here, I'd love to see Jackson Martinez in the BPL. Has scored 63 goals in 85 league games for Porto, has Champions League experience and is proven at international level.
27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
Take him all day long, been saying for 2 years we should buy him27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
m3sye said:
GloverMart said:
I've said it before on here, I'd love to see Jackson Martinez in the BPL. Has scored 63 goals in 85 league games for Porto, has Champions League experience and is proven at international level.
27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
Take him all day long, been saying for 2 years we should buy him27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
t the committee put forward. RedTrident said:
I'd ship Lovren out. Sakho for me is the preferred left sided centre back either in a back 2 or 3. Keep Skrtel and if we bring back Ilori we just need to bring in a experienced veteran and/or promote Wisdom.
Our full/wing backs are weak. Moreno, Ibe, Flanagan are all very inexperienced. We need at least one proven quality full back.
Can will surely move in to central midfield with Henderson, Lucas and maybe Allen also featuring. I'd sell Allen but would also consider selling Lucas also. Regardless, we need to replace Gerrard and will no doubt bring in one proven central midfielder.
Attacking midfield, if we sell Sterling then all that leaves us is Lallana, who has been average, and Coutinho. That would work if these 2 would rotate as no 10 players. Laser I'd at least loan out.
We then need 2 strikers. A half fit Daniel Sturridge, is all we really have. Origi hasn't set the world on fire. Even if we keep Mario we should be bringing in 2 strikers. One that is as dynamic as Sturridge and one that can finish.
Some serious rebuilding to be done. Only Can from last summers spending would feature in my match day squad. Every other signing has underwhelmed.
Lovren would probably be ok to go. I think he can be good, but probably not in a Rodgers style of team. In a Rafa type team he would probably do a lot better. Our full/wing backs are weak. Moreno, Ibe, Flanagan are all very inexperienced. We need at least one proven quality full back.
Can will surely move in to central midfield with Henderson, Lucas and maybe Allen also featuring. I'd sell Allen but would also consider selling Lucas also. Regardless, we need to replace Gerrard and will no doubt bring in one proven central midfielder.
Attacking midfield, if we sell Sterling then all that leaves us is Lallana, who has been average, and Coutinho. That would work if these 2 would rotate as no 10 players. Laser I'd at least loan out.
We then need 2 strikers. A half fit Daniel Sturridge, is all we really have. Origi hasn't set the world on fire. Even if we keep Mario we should be bringing in 2 strikers. One that is as dynamic as Sturridge and one that can finish.
Some serious rebuilding to be done. Only Can from last summers spending would feature in my match day squad. Every other signing has underwhelmed.
Moreno is a pretty ok player and I would say has had a reasonable time. The problem is he's not quite got the defensive side of his game developed, and so has made bad mistakes at important times. However this is something I can see him improving on with time, particularly if we have a fast proven goalscorer up front which takes some of the pressure off of the defense. Ibe has done well, Flanagan hasn't played in so long who knows what he's like after the injury. Sterling could do well if he sorts himself out and focuses on playing for us, and goes back into his position from last year if we have someone good up front.
m3sye said:
I also hope number 6 is not true - we need a top draw striker - not another with potential , we already have Origi coming in
I would take him if we were going for another top draw one. If we get rid of the 3 we have got we certainly need 3 coming in or 2 if he see's Raheem as a future option there for next season.
I can't see Rodgers using Raheem there if he has other options. It's obviously not the best place for him as a player, it's just he needs to play there as it's the best for the team generally.I would take him if we were going for another top draw one. If we get rid of the 3 we have got we certainly need 3 coming in or 2 if he see's Raheem as a future option there for next season.
Flip Martian said:
I too would prefer someone with experience. From those tweets it looks like "the committee" think Berahino and Walcott would do the job. Ings is still a possibility but doesn't seem to be top of the list.
I think Sterling's attitude stinks (if those tweets are accurate). Agree a contract and then when City/Chelsea etc come sniffing, go back on it and want more cash. All he has to do is tell his agent to get a deal with LFC wrapped up and he will. If he's happy for his agent to play silly buggers then he has the wrong attitude.
Walcott? Bit if a sick note isn't he? Bit fragile. I like him when he's fit but wouldn't build a team around him.I think Sterling's attitude stinks (if those tweets are accurate). Agree a contract and then when City/Chelsea etc come sniffing, go back on it and want more cash. All he has to do is tell his agent to get a deal with LFC wrapped up and he will. If he's happy for his agent to play silly buggers then he has the wrong attitude.
RedTrident said:
Yep. Me too. But unfortunately he doesn't seem to fit FSGs strategy. Nor will Bodge even know who he is. It'll be some mid table premier league striker he wants and some money ball st the committee put forward.
If you read the article Sye linked to above, you'd know he knows full well who he is. And of course he would anyway - he's a professional manager. Don't denegrate your own arguments with silly comments like that.t the committee put forward. Flip Martian said:
RedTrident said:
Yep. Me too. But unfortunately he doesn't seem to fit FSGs strategy. Nor will Bodge even know who he is. It'll be some mid table premier league striker he wants and some money ball st the committee put forward.
If you read the article Sye linked to above, you'd know he knows full well who he is. And of course he would anyway - he's a professional manager. Don't denegrate your own arguments with silly comments like that.t the committee put forward. desolate said:
A certain contributor to the thread will love this from the BBC site
'"Do I expect to be manager next season? Very much so, yes. I don't think there's anyone better," Rodgers said.
"That's the reality of how I see it. Three months ago I was a tactical genius."
Maybe someone will remind him the season didn't start in January. I'm sure FSG know enough about football to know that success isn't measured by a handful of James starting in January.'"Do I expect to be manager next season? Very much so, yes. I don't think there's anyone better," Rodgers said.
"That's the reality of how I see it. Three months ago I was a tactical genius."
Interesting that regardless what some on here would rather stop, the prospect of a different manager is even being discussed by Bodge himself. He's gone imo.
RedTrident said:
Maybe someone will remind him the season didn't start in January. I'm sure FSG know enough about football to know that success isn't measured by a handful of James starting in January.
Interesting that regardless what some on here would rather stop, the prospect of a different manager is even being discussed by Bodge himself. He's gone imo.
That doesn't make sense. Interesting that regardless what some on here would rather stop, the prospect of a different manager is even being discussed by Bodge himself. He's gone imo.
RedTrident said:
2015 Rodgers said: “I don’t think there is anyone better. That’s the reality of how I see it.
2010 Hodgson said: "No one can do a better job than me at Liverpool"
I'm not reading FSG coming out and backing him ...... Brendan Rodgers, what is he smoking?
I think he'll be given one more season, with hopefully money to get a decent striker. I'll quite happily do a £10 charity bet if you'd like?2010 Hodgson said: "No one can do a better job than me at Liverpool"
I'm not reading FSG coming out and backing him ...... Brendan Rodgers, what is he smoking?
NRS said:
I think he'll be given one more season, with hopefully money to get a decent striker. I'll quite happily do a £10 charity bet if you'd like?
What RT misses is that FSG aren't mugs. They know they have set up a structure that hasn't clicked yet. They understand that success isn't linear as many on here think. There are ups and downs. They understand that a risk was taken on Balo, it didn't work, and left us without a pacy striker required to make BR style of game work. they know we lost a world class player last year.This summer gives the club a chance to solve it problems. A striker, a right back and a new centre midfield are the 3 must have players.
BR has enough credit in the bank for next year. If the side performs well, and gets top 4 great, or brings trophy. if its a disaster then BR will be gone.
m3sye said:
GloverMart said:
I've said it before on here, I'd love to see Jackson Martinez in the BPL. Has scored 63 goals in 85 league games for Porto, has Champions League experience and is proven at international level.
27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
Take him all day long, been saying for 2 years we should buy him27 years old, tall, quite quick and pretty loyal too with only three clubs since 2004.
Someone in the Costa/Sanchez/Suarez mould would seem to be a better fit but no names spring to mind immediately. Whatever happens it's not going to be cheap.
revrange said:
What RT misses is that FSG aren't mugs. They know they have set up a structure that hasn't clicked yet. They understand that success isn't linear as many on here think. There are ups and downs. They understand that a risk was taken on Balo, it didn't work, and left us without a pacy striker required to make BR style of game work. they know we lost a world class player last year.
This summer gives the club a chance to solve it problems. A striker, a right back and a new centre midfield are the 3 must have players.
BR has enough credit in the bank for next year. If the side performs well, and gets top 4 great, or brings trophy. if its a disaster then BR will be gone.
Whilst I agree with the facts that you've stated above, you are missing one thing. Rodgers can't blame the hand he's been dealt, he's a manager. He should have adapted the style of play to suit his available resources. Mario Balotelli is Italy's main striker, and a proven goal scoring winner, and Rodgers clearly stated early on that he couldn't form a team that could service Balotelli. He expected Balotelli to magically change his game by becoming a super fast runner that could fit to Rodgers team, when clearly this was impossible. Within days he was undermining Balotelli and effectively making him a back up plan player, sidelining him. That would be a good idea if Sturridge was fit, but he never was. This summer gives the club a chance to solve it problems. A striker, a right back and a new centre midfield are the 3 must have players.
BR has enough credit in the bank for next year. If the side performs well, and gets top 4 great, or brings trophy. if its a disaster then BR will be gone.
The job of a manager if to form a team from the available resources. Balotelli was available for most of the season but was clearly never part of an overall strategy or plan. This isn't Balottellis fault, it's Rodgers.
The job of the manager is to produce a team that can win, with the resources he has. If you are forced to change your 'master plan' then that's what you have to do. To discard a player like this, when he's all you've got, is a mistake.
Balotelli isn't a crap dud. He's one of Italy's first choice strikers. He's hard to deal with as he's clearly a bit of a nutter, but that's management.
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