The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]
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jammy_basturd said:
Flip Martian said:
BlackST said:
Should Liverpool sort out their transfer strategy before spending in January?
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Daniel is a hard working young man and there's no move whatsoever to bring Origi back early (the agreement was, as reported in the summer, that he stays at Lille this season):
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/174796...
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/174796...
RedTrident said:
lots of sensible stuff
So if he makes it to Xmas. keeper, central midfielder and striker.
Oh and a defensive coach please. I know I'm stating the obvious but if he wants to keep his job this really needs to happen.
buy all of that, my order would beSo if he makes it to Xmas. keeper, central midfielder and striker.
Oh and a defensive coach please. I know I'm stating the obvious but if he wants to keep his job this really needs to happen.
1 defensive coach
2 striker
3 keeper
4 CM
and would be delighted if we just did the first 2
DSLiverpool said:
If Bren gets the sack because of other people making him sign shoddy players then he has ruined his career for instant gratification. Surely he would say that he cannot work in this environment and walk ?
I think a few of the current crop will turn out to be very good players - our problem is we were at the stage where we needed people to perform now not in 12 months + m3sye said:
DSLiverpool said:
If Bren gets the sack because of other people making him sign shoddy players then he has ruined his career for instant gratification. Surely he would say that he cannot work in this environment and walk ?
I think a few of the current crop will turn out to be very good players - our problem is we were at the stage where we needed people to perform now not in 12 months + phil_cardiff said:
So you're aware that very few signings perform straight away. I agree we need it but it's not easy to achieve.
Its obvious to see what our transfer policy was this year - as much of a good read Tomkins is, the plain facts are, money does buy success - We needed a proven goalscorer - anyone who looked into Mario would know his close to 1 in 2 record was massively helped with pens and free kicks - he has never been a goal scorer - they also would have known his movement did not suit us.
Lallana I like but was it money wasted considering he is no better than Coutinho - if we were going to replace Coutinho we should have been looking at the next level up -
Markovic - as good as he may come was a waste of money - his money could have topped up the money for Mario and given us 36m for a striker - Jordan Ibe is a better player than him at the moment.
Cann - good buy
Moreno - Good buy
Manquillo - Good free
Lovren - not doing it at all - question has to be asked why he went for a LCB when he had Sakho a 19m LCB - Surely he would have been better spending 30m and going for someone like Hummels?
m3sye said:
Its obvious to see what our transfer policy was this year - as much of a good read Tomkins is, the plain facts are, money does buy success -
Undoubtedly.However that still doesn't void the facts that Tomkins highlighted. If you're going to go down the 'money will buy success' route then you better have deep pockets, because half of your buys are still going to flop/not hit the ground running, so you best be able to afford to take the hit on expensive flops and return to the table to play another hand.
Chelsea and City can do this (or could up till now). LFC cannot.
jammy_basturd said:
Undoubtedly.
However that still doesn't void the facts that Tomkins highlighted. If you're going to go down the 'money will buy success' route then you better have deep pockets, because half of your buys are still going to flop/not hit the ground running, so you best be able to afford to take the hit on expensive flops and return to the table to play another hand.
Chelsea and City can do this (or could up till now). LFC cannot.
I understand his points - but for me it just means you have to be more careful - just because stats say 1 in 3 are successful does not mean you cannot make that 2 in 3 at your own club. However that still doesn't void the facts that Tomkins highlighted. If you're going to go down the 'money will buy success' route then you better have deep pockets, because half of your buys are still going to flop/not hit the ground running, so you best be able to afford to take the hit on expensive flops and return to the table to play another hand.
Chelsea and City can do this (or could up till now). LFC cannot.
The points I raised in my last post I think any Liverpool would agree with - but why was this not thought of by people paid millions to make LFC better -
Tomkins point is a valid one - but so far we have spent over 200m - how many of them right now are classed as succesful?
Moreno will be -
Cann I think will be
Manquillo I also think will become a regular
The bigger money signings no -- so is it more risky by 2 x 20m players that 'might' make it as they show potential or is better to sign one 35m player who has done it in 2 leagues and international level for 7 years + ?
m3sye said:
The bigger money signings no -- so is it more risky by 2 x 20m players that 'might' make it as they show potential or is better to sign one 35m player who has done it in 2 leagues and international level for 7 years + ?
Technically it is more risky buying the one player. Going on Tomkins analysis, previous experience is no indicator of a successful transfer. Some players just hit the ground running and some don't. And that can change for one player at different clubs/stages of their career too! Buying one player effectively puts all your eggs in one basket.Imagine if we'd gone all out to sign Falcao. At the moment he's managing a game every what, month, 6 weeks? We'd all still be saying we need to sign another striker come January, only because of his wages we wouldn't be able to.
jammy_basturd said:
Technically it is more risky buying the one player. Going on Tomkins analysis, previous experience is no indicator of a successful transfer. Some players just hit the ground running and some don't. And that can change for one player at different clubs/stages of their career too! Buying one player effectively puts all your eggs in one basket.
Imagine if we'd gone all out to sign Falcao. At the moment he's managing a game every what, month, 6 weeks? We'd all still be saying we need to sign another striker come January, only because of his wages we wouldn't be able to.
Falcao for us was unrealistic - 250k is to much for us - we only have a 45k stadium Imagine if we'd gone all out to sign Falcao. At the moment he's managing a game every what, month, 6 weeks? We'd all still be saying we need to sign another striker come January, only because of his wages we wouldn't be able to.
I can only go off what BR and the committee have signed - for me (only my opinion) wrong type of players signed (not all)
He came out last year and said he wanted 2 or 3 to top draw players to go straight into the team rather than go out and buy 7 - I understand the squad needed improving some players that have come in are no better than what we already had so whats the point? We need 1 CF , 1 Top class midfielder, - we need others but for me them and GK are our priority positions -
The defence we will have to do with and figure out a way to become more tight. Problem is I dont think we have the money to get those 2 - maybe 1
m3sye said:
He came out last year and said he wanted 2 or 3 to top draw players to go straight into the team rather than go out and buy 7 - I understand the squad needed improving some players that have come in are no better than what we already had so whats the point?
In hindsight no, but that shouldn't have been the case.Markovic - I didn't and don't see the point in his signing. From the one YT video I found of his "highlights" from last season I didn't think he looked that great.
Balotelli was clearly a f
k up. I don't think he's going to prove us all wrong.Lambert - we didn't really have a third choice striker before, so improvement.
Lovren - as of the start of the summer I think we all thought he was going to be an improvement on Skrtel and Sakho.
The rest I think will go on to be very good players.
I don't think our transfer have been that bad. I think our team performances have been the cause of our problems.
jammy_basturd said:
In hindsight no, but that shouldn't have been the case.
Markovic - I didn't and don't see the point in his signing. From the one YT video I found of his "highlights" from last season I didn't think he looked that great.
Balotelli was clearly a fk up. I don't think he's going to prove us all wrong.
Lambert - we didn't really have a third choice striker before, so improvement.
Lovren - as of the start of the summer I think we all thought he was going to be an improvement on Skrtel and Sakho.
The rest I think will go on to be very good players.
I don't think our transfer have been that bad. I think our team performances have been the cause of our problems.
Agree on some points - I could understand him signing Lambert as 4th choice but we really needed 3 strikers with him - with DS injured all the time - 2nd striker had to be of equal quality if not better (this fMarkovic - I didn't and don't see the point in his signing. From the one YT video I found of his "highlights" from last season I didn't think he looked that great.
Balotelli was clearly a f
k up. I don't think he's going to prove us all wrong.Lambert - we didn't really have a third choice striker before, so improvement.
Lovren - as of the start of the summer I think we all thought he was going to be an improvement on Skrtel and Sakho.
The rest I think will go on to be very good players.
I don't think our transfer have been that bad. I think our team performances have been the cause of our problems.
k up with Mario is massive), then to have Borini as 3rd (technically 2nd) when he didnt want him is also a fk up. I think he is ok Borini but for me should be at best 3rd probably 4th. He has no faith in Lambert otherwise he would have started him in games this year.Lovren - I think he will improve but we spend 19m on Sakho so surely you would have gone RCB?
Ibe is better than Markovic for me.
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