The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]
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RedTrident said:
Pommygranite said:
RedTrident said:
Pommygranite said:
RedTrident said:
I honestly don't think our defensive frailties are anything to do with our players.
Absolute b
ks.Of course the players have something to do with it.
Sakho was horrific and before the New Year. Johnsona not even turned up. Lovren, when he played was poor.
The player absolutely played a part in leaking goals.
Everything that is wrong is BR's fault and anything good has nothing to do with him in your opinion - nonsensical.
Moreno Sakho Skrtel Johnson (any replacement)
I think that regardless of who we bring in to our back 4, if the coaching remains the same so will the outcome.
Also, once we played Lucas in front of the back 4 we got much better. As we did by dropping in an extra defender and playing a back 3.
The way we leak goals has been an issue now for 3 seasons with multiple defensive line ups. I'm not sure where else you think the responsibility lies.
I'm not sure why you think I'm way wide of the truth. The coaching has a part to play here. By all means disagree but it is not as black and white as you try to present this. Nothing to do with BR you claim, what was the term you used earlier - absolute b
ks or something wasn't it? I agree - it isnt black and white, hence the balance needed about the player. It is both the coaching and the players to blame with a portion each.That was exactly my sentiment. And not yours in your op.
'So not controlling the ball isn't about coaching?' - tell me something - are you someone with any practical sporting experience at all or are you just an Accountant who sits in the stands watching? They tend to stop coaching players how to physically trap a ball at about 12. These are professional sports people and their ability to trap and hit a ball properly should be a given.
Your problem RT is you throw out these bold simple statements and then spend the next 3 pages explaining yourself. Theres a reason pretty much everyone on here finds your posts antagonistic.
What I thought was absolute bllcks was your black and white statement that the defensive frailities dont have anything to do with the players.
Edited by Pommygranite on Tuesday 5th May 23:16
You and I will disagree on this. I think the exact same players under a more tactically astute coach would defend better as a unit. This isn't unusual either, many a team has seen a new manager come in and tighten things at the back or get a previously under performing player find form.
RedTrident said:
You and I will disagree on this. I think the exact same players under a more tactically astute coach would defend better as a unit. This isn't unusual either, many a team has seen a new manager come in and tighten things at the back or get a previously under performing player find form.
Of course they will defend better as a unit with better coaching but my point was that you stated that our defensive issues havent anything to do with the players and they absolutely do.Now you're saying its a bit of both and I agree with this.
Thanks for the information on what normally happens, its great to have your insights for us uneducated fans
Who's doing contracts at your club these days?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
London424 said:
Who's doing contracts at your club these days?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
TBH all contracts should be llike this for me - gives them a bit more of an incentive to play well - play shttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
t and your dropped and your wages drop...To many players are happy to sit on the bench doing f
k all picking up handsome wages. - Borini prime example Whilst I do agree, this isn't the total norm unless you're a sicknote or old old and you get a pay as you play. Skrtel at 30 is getting on a bit so to offer him 3 years maybe it ties with fears of loss of form or injury.
At the end of the day it's a competitive, non-loyal 'industry' so whilst it's laudible to try and get players on these type of contracts, the reality is some other club will just pay the man.
At the end of the day it's a competitive, non-loyal 'industry' so whilst it's laudible to try and get players on these type of contracts, the reality is some other club will just pay the man.
m3sye said:
London424 said:
Who's doing contracts at your club these days?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
TBH all contracts should be llike this for me - gives them a bit more of an incentive to play well - play shttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
t and your dropped and your wages drop...To many players are happy to sit on the bench doing f
k all picking up handsome wages. - Borini prime example London424 said:
Which is fine if that's how it works across the industry. As hornetrider says, someone else will just give him a normal contract and you've now just pissed off another one of your better players.
Yeah supppose you are both right - Trying to be radical when no-one else follows suit is pretty risky .
"And as Alonso passes, Mascherano tackles and Suarez scores, the overriding question: why did Liverpool sell them."
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
Is this the spine we need and are missing?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
Is this the spine we need and are missing?
m3sye said:
It is pretty simple isn't it - if we had gone out and spent the 35-40m on a striker we would have got got top 4 - so spend the 20m more than we did on Mario and look forward to 40m + from champions league qualification
If that striker had worked. 50/50 they might not have worked anyway, and so would have been in a similar situation. That said, I could see a striker that moved around lot creating more chances for other players, even if they didn't get goals themselves.BlackST said:
Doesn't this fella sort out players multi million pound contract?
Ian Ayre might, but Robbie has his own property academy
http://www.rfpa.co.uk/
NRS said:
If that striker had worked. 50/50 they might not have worked anyway, and so would have been in a similar situation. That said, I could see a striker that moved around lot creating more chances for other players, even if they didn't get goals themselves.
I know all the Tomking malarky - but whats the stats on 15m players working??? bet its a lot less than 50% - so basically you pay more you have more a chance I would imagine - You got to be in it to win it, springs to mind.
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