What constitutes a TOP player?
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Passing and first touch. There's that great story about Ronaldo showing his tricks after training...after he's finished Scholes points at a tree 50 metres away and hits it first time. Ronaldo had ten shots and couldn't repeat it. PL players make it look easy but hitting accurate passes with pace when you're under pressure is fking difficult!
Cheib said:
Passing and first touch. There's that great story about Ronaldo showing his tricks after training...after he's finished Scholes points at a tree 50 metres away and hits it first time. Ronaldo had ten shots and couldn't repeat it. PL players make it look easy but hitting accurate passes with pace when you're under pressure is fking difficult!
Strange analogy to prove your point as by most definitions Scholes was a good player but Ronaldo is a level up again. mikeyr said:
Strange analogy to prove your point as by most definitions Scholes was a good player but Ronaldo is a level up again.
I agree.Firstly I doubt there's any truth in the story and secondly, is the poster seriously saying Paul Scholes, a good player, was better than Ronaldo!
Thankyou4calling said:
mikeyr said:
Strange analogy to prove your point as by most definitions Scholes was a good player but Ronaldo is a level up again.
I agree.Firstly I doubt there's any truth in the story and secondly, is the poster seriously saying Paul Scholes, a good player, was better than Ronaldo!
We're not talking about what separates the Top 50 players in the world it's what separates pro's at the top of the game from the guys in semi-pro football or the lower leagues if I understood the OP correctly. I stand by the ability to hit accurate passes at pace/under pressure especially ones like Fabregas did for that goal in one of his first Chelski games. Look at Wilshere's goal of the season last year....all about passing.
Cheib said:
Thankyou4calling said:
mikeyr said:
Strange analogy to prove your point as by most definitions Scholes was a good player but Ronaldo is a level up again.
I agree.Firstly I doubt there's any truth in the story and secondly, is the poster seriously saying Paul Scholes, a good player, was better than Ronaldo!
We're not talking about what separates the Top 50 players in the world it's what separates pro's at the top of the game from the guys in semi-pro football or the lower leagues if I understood the OP correctly. I stand by the ability to hit accurate passes at pace/under pressure especially ones like Fabregas did for that goal in one of his first Chelski games. Look at Wilshere's goal of the season last year....all about passing.
Amirhussain said:
Definitely agree with this!
Yes. Rather like the term "Great player" as opposed to good player.For me, to be a great player you'd have to perform consistently at the highest level for at least 5 years and in that time played the vast majority of games for your club and country.
Too many are called great after a season or two.
To me, a world class player is one that would make one of the teams in a "world" XI a verses world XI b. i.e. the best 22 players in the world.
England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
Dracoro said:
To me, a world class player is one that would make one of the teams in a "world" XI a verses world XI b. i.e. the best 22 players in the world.
England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
Exactly. If aliens landed tomorrow and challenged Earth to a match, the 22 players in our planet's squad are world class. No current English players would make the cut. The last one who might have had a chance was Ashley Cole, maybe 3 years ago.England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
When we won the world cup, Banks, Moore and Bobby Charlton would have been straight into the starting 11 to face another planet, and no one in the world would have questioned it.
Any pros around? A friend of mine was at Palace for a while as a teen, got released & played around the semi pro leagues & abroad for a few years. His view was the difference between a 30 goals a season prem striker & a plodder in league 1 was about 5% ability & 90% desire, in other words, a reflection of society really & the worldy players in his view are few & far between one offs, which is hardly a revelation.
Obviously an opinion like any other, but an insiders I suppose.
Obviously an opinion like any other, but an insiders I suppose.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Dracoro said:
To me, a world class player is one that would make one of the teams in a "world" XI a verses world XI b. i.e. the best 22 players in the world.
England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
Exactly. If aliens landed tomorrow and challenged Earth to a match, the 22 players in our planet's squad are world class. No current English players would make the cut. The last one who might have had a chance was Ashley Cole, maybe 3 years ago.England (as in English nationality) has none of these.
Obviously, there will the odd anomaly in that you may have 3+ players in a given position that you simply cannot choose between.
When we won the world cup, Banks, Moore and Bobby Charlton would have been straight into the starting 11 to face another planet, and no one in the world would have questioned it.
Cheib said:
Totally agree with this....very,very few English players get in that best 22 players over the last 15 years or so. Cole, Lampard (third place int he Ballon d'Or), Scholes........
How about Rooney?Will soon be the all time top scorer for both England and Man Utd.
Is he a great player?
Thankyou4calling said:
Cheib said:
Totally agree with this....very,very few English players get in that best 22 players over the last 15 years or so. Cole, Lampard (third place int he Ballon d'Or), Scholes........
How about Rooney?Will soon be the all time top scorer for both England and Man Utd.
Is he a great player?
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