Epl tv rights sky vs BT

[SaintsPaul]

soad said:

SaintsPaul said:

It was said that Sky/BT will be paying £10 million per game
With that amount of money floating around it is time for the clubs to reduce ticket prices.
Lets get the game back. Too many people now not being able to follow their team home and away.

Reduce ticket prices? I just can't see it.

I suspect, top clubs could get away with charging even more...

I have mates of mine who did not miss home or away. Now with some games costing around £50 a ticket they are picking and choosing their games. Going to away games now is an expensive day out. I feel sorry for Dads who have children that want to go. Must cost them a packet !

[Brite spark]

Cheib said:

Well that tells you one thing....Sky couldn't afford to lose the PL rights. I thinK Sky made £500mil last year....this contract alone has pretty much wiped out annual profits!

I agree that sky couldn't afford to loose the rights but I'm still not convinced they could afford to win them either, be interesting to see how they try to fund this and they other sports they get such as the golf which they have just outbid the bbc on, either massive hit to profits, increase in ad revenues, increase in subscribers or increased subscription fees.
I know which I think is the most likely.

At what point would people stop paying for a subscription? £100 per month, £120? £150?
But then I suppose fags are nearly £9 a pack and people are still paying it.

I can see the headlines in the daily mail now "sky tv costs more per month than a mortgage"

Tinfoil hat on
Perhaps sky subscriptios are to be used in the measurement of inflation to help the uk beat deflation and the government win an election backed by Murdoch, and the government launching the help to sky scheme.
Tin foil hat off.

[Chris Stott]

Can SKY off set some of their increased costs by charging more for providing the footage to other broadcasters?

I guess the FA will pick up the international licensing costs, but SKY have a massive cost associated with providing the outside broadcast stuff.

Huge cost and I'll be looking forward to an increase in my subs soon enough.

[Challo]

Driver101 said:

SaintsPaul said:

It was said that Sky/BT will be paying £10 million per game
With that amount of money floating around it is time for the clubs to reduce ticket prices.
Lets get the game back. Too many people now not being able to follow their team home and away.

Many of the teams still have huge debts. They still need every penny.

It's a scary thought that with all the money coming in from tv, clubs are still operating at a loss. The outgoings on wages, and transfers must be obscene.

With the 250k weekly wage standard at some clubs the 500k wage must be round the corner. The Premiership is the cash cow of Europe.

[Driver101]

Challo said:

It's a scary thought that with all the money coming in from tv, clubs are still operating at a loss. The outgoings on wages, and transfers must be obscene.

With the 250k weekly wage standard at some clubs the 500k wage must be round the corner. The Premiership is the cash cow of Europe.

There is only a few guys on £250,000 per week.

It certainly is a cash cow though. Even average premier league players are paid a fortune.

They say the average for the league is £43,000 per week, which is 50% higher than second placed Germany.

[DeltonaS]

Driver101 said:

Challo said:

It's a scary thought that with all the money coming in from tv, clubs are still operating at a loss. The outgoings on wages, and transfers must be obscene.

With the 250k weekly wage standard at some clubs the 500k wage must be round the corner. The Premiership is the cash cow of Europe.

There is only a few guys on £250,000 per week.

It certainly is a cash cow though. Even average premier league players are paid a fortune.

They say the average for the league is £43,000 per week, which is 50% higher than second placed Germany.

Not good for football in Europe, and the new Sky PL tv right deal will def. not make it any better.

[TEKNOPUG]

I'm amazed that the average Polish player gets £100k+ a year!

[Mephistofleas]

Sickening absolutely sickening!

About time supporters of ALL clubs got together and resisted this nonsense as without the fans in the first place there would be no 'lucrative cash cow' to exploit.

But I won't hold my breath - most will just 'mong along' to watch the team they would 'die' for (seriously!?), all the while being fleeced and with no consideration for the bigger picture.

Sad.

[TEKNOPUG]

Mephistofleas said:

Sickening absolutely sickening!

About time supporters of ALL clubs got together and resisted this nonsense as without the fans in the first place there would be no 'lucrative cash cow' to exploit.

But I won't hold my breath - most will just 'mong along' to watch the team they would 'die' for (seriously!?), all the while being fleeced and with no consideration for the bigger picture.

Sad.

If they aren't happy paying the ticket prices, they won't go. Why are they being fleeced and what is the bigger picture?

[London424]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mephistofleas said:

Sickening absolutely sickening!

About time supporters of ALL clubs got together and resisted this nonsense as without the fans in the first place there would be no 'lucrative cash cow' to exploit.

But I won't hold my breath - most will just 'mong along' to watch the team they would 'die' for (seriously!?), all the while being fleeced and with no consideration for the bigger picture.

Sad.

If they aren't happy paying the ticket prices, they won't go. Why are they being fleeced and what is the bigger picture?

I was going to say the same thing...how much SKY pay has no bearing on me being fleeced.

[Kitchski]

SaintsPaul said:

soad said:

SaintsPaul said:

It was said that Sky/BT will be paying £10 million per game
With that amount of money floating around it is time for the clubs to reduce ticket prices.
Lets get the game back. Too many people now not being able to follow their team home and away.

Reduce ticket prices? I just can't see it.

I suspect, top clubs could get away with charging even more...

I have mates of mine who did not miss home or away. Now with some games costing around £50 a ticket they are picking and choosing their games. Going to away games now is an expensive day out. I feel sorry for Dads who have children that want to go. Must cost them a packet !

I don't go to cat A games, even down our way. I think some of the bigger clubs are nearer £90? Thing is, we nearly sell out St Marys each game anyway, so they won't reduce them anytime soon.

[DeltonaS]

TEKNOPUG said:

If they aren't happy paying the ticket prices, they won't go. Why are they being fleeced and what is the bigger picture?

The bigger picture is that one 1 hand the avarege English football fan pays a lot more for both attendence fees as well as pay TV than the rest of Europe is paying or willing to pay. Secondly the EPL is a popular leaque accross the globe which brings in a lot of cash as well. Both of which reaching new heights with the new Sky deal as of 2016.

And as a result the differences in average annual wages in Europe will lobside even further.

Which as a result will mean that even low ranked clubs in the EPL (or even 2nd div.) are able to atract even more proven talent out of the rest of Europe and the world. Which will result on the one hand in more Euroepean prices won by the EPL clubs but on the other will give even less room for young English talent.

So in the mid and long term the English clubs will win more but English talent and the English national team how ever will suffer and be even less succesfull.

Edited by DeltonaS on Wednesday 11th February 14:11

[TEKNOPUG]

DeltonaS said:

The bigger picture is that one 1 hand the avarege English football fan pays a lot more for both attendence fees as well as pay TV than the rest of Europe is paying or willing to pay. Secondly the EPL is a popular leaque accross the globe which brings in a lot of cash as well. Both of which reaching new heights with the new Sky deal as of 2016.

And as a result the differences in average annual wages in Europe will lobside even further.

Which as a result will mean that even low ranked clubs in the EPL (or even 2nd div.) are able to atract even more proven talent out of the rest of Europe and the world. Which will result on the one hand in more Euroepean prices won by the EPL clubs but on the other will give even less room for young English talent.

So in the mid and long term the English clubs will win more but English talent and the English national team how ever will suffer and be even less succesfull.

Edited by DeltonaS on Wednesday 11th February 14:11

Liverpool v Spurs last night - ranked 10 & 14 in World rich list. 10 English players. 6 under 23.

England never achieved anything at international level before the EPL - save for when we actually hosted the tournament. It's a myth that EPL and "foreign players" have failed the national team. As the standard of players have improved, so it has forced the young English players to improve. If anything, the issue is that there aren't enough young English players in foreign leagues!

All these young English players that supposedly can't get in a Prem team? Why aren't they playing in the Dutch league, in Portugal, Belgium or France? All their best players are in the EPL, so there must be plenty of opportunities abroad? Loads of foreign players in Spain & Germany - they seem to do alright though. There are more fundamental issues in the development of young English players - starting before they can even sign for a Prem club. Influx of foreign players is a convenient excuse.

[DeltonaS]

TEKNOPUG said:

Liverpool v Spurs last night - ranked 10 & 14 in World rich list. 10 English players. 6 under 23.

England never achieved anything at international level before the EPL - save for when we actually hosted the tournament. It's a myth that EPL and "foreign players" have failed the national team. As the standard of players have improved, so it has forced the young English players to improve. If anything, the issue is that there aren't enough young English players in foreign leagues!

All these young English players that supposedly can't get in a Prem team? Why aren't they playing in the Dutch league, in Portugal, Belgium or France? All their best players are in the EPL, so there must be plenty of opportunities abroad? Loads of foreign players in Spain & Germany - they seem to do alright though. There are more fundamental issues in the development of young English players - starting before they can even sign for a Prem club. Influx of foreign players is a convenient excuse.

I don't think the issue is that there aren't enough (young) English players in foreign leagues, their never were many Italian, German and Spanish players in foreign leaques either, and their national teams hasn't suffered from it.

And EPL clubs that compete with other EPL club with big budgets want proven, experienced players that can help them win matches, get them into Europe or out of the relegation zone. Young talent on the other hand needs time to develop. So more money accross the entire PL means their spending power and relative wealth in comparison with European clubs will rise, and therefor only enhance that.

Here in the NL we see a counter movement; since the budgets in country's like England, Germany, Russia etc. are rising substantially young promising talents and even the less promising ones are picked up and go abroad earlier, less experienced and at a much younger age than in the past. Which in turn means the average age of players in the Dutch Eredivisie has dropped.

Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 12th February 09:54

[Milemuncher207]

Once the foreign broadcast rights are renewed within the next 12 months, you can add around £3bn to the £5.1bn.

[Cheib]

Brite spark said:

Cheib said:

Well that tells you one thing....Sky couldn't afford to lose the PL rights. I thinK Sky made £500mil last year....this contract alone has pretty much wiped out annual profits!

I agree that sky couldn't afford to loose the rights but I'm still not convinced they could afford to win them either, be interesting to see how they try to fund this and they other sports they get such as the golf which they have just outbid the bbc on, either massive hit to profits, increase in ad revenues, increase in subscribers or increased subscription fees.
I know which I think is the most likely.

At what point would people stop paying for a subscription? £100 per month, £120? £150?
But then I suppose fags are nearly £9 a pack and people are still paying it.

I can see the headlines in the daily mail now "sky tv costs more per month than a mortgage"

Tinfoil hat on
Perhaps sky subscriptios are to be used in the measurement of inflation to help the uk beat deflation and the government win an election backed by Murdoch, and the government launching the help to sky scheme.
Tin foil hat off.

Sky claim they can save £200mil a year through cost cutting but as we all know it's only going one way to the subscriber . When you look at the viewing figures the sums are incredible.....audience for Arsenal v Spurs was a MASSIVE 1.6mil. They aren't getting it back through advertising that is for sure!

Sky are very aggressive...when Virgin tried bidding for content a few years ago they took content off the Virgin platform

It's really all about bundling PL rights with broadband and mobile telephone. People will use BT Broadband even if it's more expensive than the competition because you get free PL games.

[entropy]

Cheib said:

It's really all about bundling PL rights with broadband and mobile telephone. People will use BT Broadband even if it's more expensive than the competition because you get free PL games.

But its not value for money. Their cheap packages have 20gig download limits even with PVR thrown in(?) so it depends how desperate you want to watch sport.

[bad company]

Sky shares have sunk since the deal was announced. Down again today so we know what the City thinks (not Manchester City).

[Rosscow]

TEKNOPUG said:

All these young English players that supposedly can't get in a Prem team? Why aren't they playing in the Dutch league, in Portugal, Belgium or France? All their best players are in the EPL, so there must be plenty of opportunities abroad? Loads of foreign players in Spain & Germany - they seem to do alright though. There are more fundamental issues in the development of young English players - starting before they can even sign for a Prem club. Influx of foreign players is a convenient excuse.

The reason they don't go abroad can be seen in the wage table above.

Why go abroad to play on £2.5k a week when you can stay at home with your mates and get paid £10k a week for doing naff all?

[TEKNOPUG]

Rosscow said:

The reason they don't go abroad can be seen in the wage table above.

Why go abroad to play on £2.5k a week when you can stay at home with your mates and get paid £10k a week for doing naff all?

So it's nothing to do with foreign player's or SKY TV deals or anything else. The reason that English player's aren't very good is that they lack the desire to improve themselves. They'd rather sit on the bench counting their money than actually go and play. Seems to be indicative of wider society.