Is A Football Cash Backlash Underway
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Also, safe standing means they can get 100K crowds at BVB and Munich so that helps with ticket prices.
Bayern's ground capacity: 71k, season tickets range £104-£561. Emirates capacity: 60k, season tickets range £985-£1955. <20% difference in capacity equates to a 400% difference in ticket prices. The disparity doesn't compute in my simple mind 
This and the huge amount of EPL TV revenue, players wages being a massive %age of most clubs turnovers, most clubs operating on huge trading losses. Now try to convince me EPL clubs have the business models correct. TwigtheWonderkid said:
The whole culture of German football is different.
Yes indeed. They coach their players properly and have an effective grass roots development structure for the good of the national game, thus their national side expects to and indeed does win things. TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'm personally not that bothered about England, I just want my club to succeed.
There we have it, you are a fan of one of the big 4 or 5 I assume? Most fans of remaining 87/88 clubs in our leagues also care and want their teams to succeed, but have to be pragmatic about it. For them any accomplishment will only ever be modest (the best my club could ever achieve in top-10.... 'wow, let's have an open-top bus parade') and for all 'non-bankrolled' clubs any period of success will usually have dire consequences (see Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackpool etc. etc). OK individual games are competitive, but don't fool yourself, the PL final top 5 will be Chelsea, Man C, Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool / Spurs (or any combination thereof) and will be ad infinitum until one of those self destructs or another Sheikh Mansour turns up. Me? I'd like to think that at least some the money sloshing around at the top level of football in this country could actually be used to contribute to the greater good of the national game. To produce players to build a national team that can achieve greatness and inspire a next generation of kids to do likewise. Nah, b
ks to that, let's spend it on countless mediocre under-achievers on £50k/week + 
;). 
Thankyou4calling said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The whole culture of German football is different. Fans care about country over club, unlike England. I'm personally not that bothered about England, I just want my club to succeed. The Bundesliga isn't actually very good most of the time, with Bayern Munich pretty much dominating it and the odd other team like BVB or Schalke making brief challenges. Unlike the PL, BM walk thru most games. Think they won 7-0 this weekend. Unlike here, where Chelsea have to struggle to beat Hull and Leicester give everyone a hard game.
Also, safe standing means they can get 100K crowds at BVB and Munich so that helps with ticket prices.
I accept most of your post is an opinion but the two facts you quote are incorrect.Also, safe standing means they can get 100K crowds at BVB and Munich so that helps with ticket prices.
Bayern Munich LOST 2-0 this weekend and there is no stadium that has a capacity of 100,000.
It's odd how everyone is a capitalist, until it comes to footballers wages and ticket prices, when they suddenly lurch in communism.
Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool sell out every week. With loads of people waiting to buy tickets and season tickets. Surely, in any other business, you'd be saying ticket prices are therefore too cheap.
Classic supply & demand says keep upping the prices, until you just about sell out, with the 50 or 60K richest fans buying the tickets.
Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool sell out every week. With loads of people waiting to buy tickets and season tickets. Surely, in any other business, you'd be saying ticket prices are therefore too cheap.
Classic supply & demand says keep upping the prices, until you just about sell out, with the 50 or 60K richest fans buying the tickets.
The problem with that comes when Man u, Chelsea, Arsenal sell out every week at big ticket prices meanwhile Sunderland and Hull city dont sell out at a much lower price.
This amplifies even further between the "big" clubs and the not so big clubs, There already is a pretty big disparity between the champions league qualifying clubs and the rest without making gate receipts adding to it.
It may not seem a big problem now, But it will slowly creep towards the likes of other leagues, Where Real madrid and barcelona dominate, Bayern Munich dominate, the old scottish rangers/celtic etc.
The EPL has done well to keep the TV money dispersed pretty evenly, although the recent splitting of rights has seemed to meen the "Big" clubs are on TV more often and pocketing the match fee for being so.
Yes in a free market you would like to say anyone can charge what they want and if they sell out 70,000 tickets at £100, Fire in. But how long before overall the league suffers when every 5 year old in England has a Man U shirt with roonalcomaria on the back
This amplifies even further between the "big" clubs and the not so big clubs, There already is a pretty big disparity between the champions league qualifying clubs and the rest without making gate receipts adding to it.
It may not seem a big problem now, But it will slowly creep towards the likes of other leagues, Where Real madrid and barcelona dominate, Bayern Munich dominate, the old scottish rangers/celtic etc.
The EPL has done well to keep the TV money dispersed pretty evenly, although the recent splitting of rights has seemed to meen the "Big" clubs are on TV more often and pocketing the match fee for being so.
Yes in a free market you would like to say anyone can charge what they want and if they sell out 70,000 tickets at £100, Fire in. But how long before overall the league suffers when every 5 year old in England has a Man U shirt with roonalcomaria on the back
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's odd how everyone is a capitalist, until it comes to footballers wages and ticket prices, when they suddenly lurch in communism.
The funny thing is that in possibly the most capitalist country in the world, the USA, they've been discussing salary caps in sports for more than a decade.
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