The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]

[ORD]

I've just watched the Liverpool v Arsenal game.

L look substantially stronger with Clyne, Gomez and Benteke. Arsenal are the same old Arsenal except, if anything, even more flakey and disjointed.

On what I have seen so far this season, I'm going to make a prediction for the top 5:-

City
Utd
Chelsea (they look crap but Mourinho will fix that)
Liverpool
Arsenal / Spurs / Anyone

I am assuming that Costa will miss about 10 games and that will cost Chelsea 2nd place to Utd. I don't see anyone but City getting s very high points total.

Hopefully this season cannot be as bad as last in terms of overall quality!

[franki68]

ORD said:

I've just watched the Liverpool v Arsenal game.

L look substantially stronger with Clyne, Gomez and Benteke. Arsenal are the same old Arsenal except, if anything, even more flakey and disjointed.

On what I have seen so far this season, I'm going to make a prediction for the top 5:-

City
Utd
Chelsea (they look crap but Mourinho will fix that)
Liverpool
Arsenal / Spurs / Anyone

I am assuming that Costa will miss about 10 games and that will cost Chelsea 2nd place to Utd. I don't see anyone but City getting s very high points total.

Hopefully this season cannot be as bad as last in terms of overall quality!

after 3 games,brave man.

[m3sye]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/25/ch...

Pedro also turned down City it seems

[franki68]

m3sye said:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/25/ch...

Pedro also turned down City it seems

can you turn down someone who didnt make an offer ? The whole thing is murky but there is no evidence united bid for him,as per my earlier post it looks like they were going to but were dithering due to better targets becoming available...

[mantis84]

franki68 said:

m3sye said:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/25/ch...

Pedro also turned down City it seems

can you turn down someone who didnt make an offer ? The whole thing is murky but there is no evidence united bid for him,as per my earlier post it looks like they were going to but were dithering due to better targets becoming available...

Who are the better targets though? All this talk of Muller, Neymar, Bale etc sounds like a load of tosh. As much as I'd like them to, I'm not sure why any of those mentioned would swap their current clubs and situations (on and off the pitch) for United.

[franki68]

mantis84 said:

Who are the better targets though? All this talk of Muller, Neymar, Bale etc sounds like a load of tosh. As much as I'd like them to, I'm not sure why any of those mentioned would swap their current clubs and situations (on and off the pitch) for United.

All I know is united had a very positive response to an enquiry ,which led them to withdraw from Pedro .
You heard lvg,the Pedro deal was easy ,all they had to do was meet the buy out clause,they chose not to.


I think we will hear more after tomorrow night.

[jammy_basturd]

franki68 said:

All I know is united had a very positive response to an enquiry ,which led them to withdraw from Pedro .
You heard lvg,the Pedro deal was easy ,all they had to do was meet the buy out clause,they chose not to.


I think we will hear more after tomorrow night.

You guys best hope this other deal comes off then, because if the window closes and you haven't managed to sign Pedro 2.0, then you're going to look incredibly stupid for not stumping up £20m!

[Challo]

jammy_basturd said:

franki68 said:

All I know is united had a very positive response to an enquiry ,which led them to withdraw from Pedro .
You heard lvg,the Pedro deal was easy ,all they had to do was meet the buy out clause,they chose not to.


I think we will hear more after tomorrow night.

You guys best hope this other deal comes off then, because if the window closes and you haven't managed to sign Pedro 2.0, then you're going to look incredibly stupid for not stumping up £20m!

But they had to take a risk and gamble on the 'better' option. We need a few extra players but not desperate for a wide player. I would prefer we spend on a striker rather than someone we dont really need.

[ORD]

jammy_basturd said:

You guys best hope this other deal comes off then, because if the window closes and you haven't managed to sign Pedro 2.0, then you're going to look incredibly stupid for not stumping up £20m!

Not sure about that. We have plenty of good players in his position. We need a number 9, not another 2nd striker/WF.

[jammy_basturd]

Plenty?! You have:

Depay - has looked good so far, but unproven.
Mata - Not exactly the same type of winger
Januzaj - Seems very hit and miss (though young)
Young - again, can be a bit hit and miss, but probably closest to Pedro in terms of style

I'd argue Pedro is better than all of them, plus he's massively experienced and isn't injury prone. Plus, for £20m, is it not worth taking a leaf out of Chelsea's book and buying him mainly just to keep him out of the hands of your competitors?! I really think Utd dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who else they bring in.

[franki68]

jammy_basturd said:

You guys best hope this other deal comes off then, because if the window closes and you haven't managed to sign Pedro 2.0, then you're going to look incredibly stupid for not stumping up £20m!

yep,big risk because these deals are tricky to pull off ,but not the first time United would end up looking stupid in the transfer market.

[franki68]

jammy_basturd said:

Plenty?! You have:

Depay - has looked good so far, but unproven.
Mata - Not exactly the same type of winger
Januzaj - Seems very hit and miss (though young)
Young - again, can be a bit hit and miss, but probably closest to Pedro in terms of style

I'd argue Pedro is better than all of them, plus he's massively experienced and isn't injury prone. Plus, for £20m, is it not worth taking a leaf out of Chelsea's book and buying him mainly just to keep him out of the hands of your competitors?! I really think Utd dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who else they bring in.

Dont disagree there,should have bought him regardless .

[MiniMan64]

jammy_basturd said:

Plenty?! You have:

Depay - has looked good so far, but unproven.
Mata - Not exactly the same type of winger
Januzaj - Seems very hit and miss (though young)
Young - again, can be a bit hit and miss, but probably closest to Pedro in terms of style

I'd argue Pedro is better than all of them, plus he's massively experienced and isn't injury prone. Plus, for £20m, is it not worth taking a leaf out of Chelsea's book and buying him mainly just to keep him out of the hands of your competitors?! I really think Utd dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who else they bring in.

Agreed.

In the grand scheme of things in football £20m is a bargin on a proven player, winger or striker, if he's got goals in him we were mad to let him go. Especially to a direct rival.

Anyone want to guess how many of our squad score more goals for us this season than he does for Chelski?

[aberdeeneuan]

MiniMan64 said:

Agreed.

In the grand scheme of things in football £20m is a bargin on a proven player, winger or striker, if he's got goals in him we were mad to let him go. Especially to a direct rival.

Anyone want to guess how many of our squad score more goals for us this season than he does for Chelski?

£20M for a player with resale value as well. At the end of the day if we ended up with two players it wouldn't have been the end of the world would it?

[ORD]

jammy_basturd said:

Plenty?! You have:

Depay - has looked good so far, but unproven.
Mata - Not exactly the same type of winger
Januzaj - Seems very hit and miss (though young)
Young - again, can be a bit hit and miss, but probably closest to Pedro in terms of style

I'd argue Pedro is better than all of them, plus he's massively experienced and isn't injury prone. Plus, for £20m, is it not worth taking a leaf out of Chelsea's book and buying him mainly just to keep him out of the hands of your competitors?! I really think Utd dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who else they bring in.

How many of his games have you seen in the last year against decent opposition? Everyone gets massive boners about foreign attackers, but the bottom line is that he was a bench-warmer at Barca.

In my view, Depay is a better prospect, so is Janujaz, and Mata is technically superior to the lot of them (albeit, as you say, a different kind of player). I would stick with a player who might be brilliant ahead of one who has shown himself to be only very good. The goal is to build a team for the medium term, not to bring in players for a year or two and then have to do so again. We dont desperately need a 28 year old who relies on pace and will be worth buttons in 2 years.

I am not saying that he wouldnt have been a decent buy (as £20m is pocket money these days), but I am a long way from shedding any tears

[Challo]

ORD said:

jammy_basturd said:

Plenty?! You have:

Depay - has looked good so far, but unproven.
Mata - Not exactly the same type of winger
Januzaj - Seems very hit and miss (though young)
Young - again, can be a bit hit and miss, but probably closest to Pedro in terms of style

I'd argue Pedro is better than all of them, plus he's massively experienced and isn't injury prone. Plus, for £20m, is it not worth taking a leaf out of Chelsea's book and buying him mainly just to keep him out of the hands of your competitors?! I really think Utd dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who else they bring in.

How many of his games have you seen in the last year against decent opposition? Everyone gets massive boners about foreign attackers, but the bottom line is that he was a bench-warmer at Barca.

In my view, Depay is a better prospect, so is Janujaz, and Mata is technically superior to the lot of them (albeit, as you say, a different kind of player). I would stick with a player who might be brilliant ahead of one who has shown himself to be only very good. The goal is to build a team for the medium term, not to bring in players for a year or two and then have to do so again. We dont desperately need a 28 year old who relies on pace and will be worth buttons in 2 years.

I am not saying that he wouldnt have been a decent buy (as £20m is pocket money these days), but I am a long way from shedding any tears

^^^ Agree. Yes Pedro would have been a good deal at 20m and maybe in hindsight we should have gone for him, but we already have players in that postion and also missed off the list is Tony and the young lad Pereira who should get some game time this season.

[XM5ER]

Its getting silly now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ma...

£240 million quid (including salary). He's good but not that good. Is this the Premiership about to have a Lehman Brothers moment?

[confucuis]

Challo said:

jammy_basturd said:

franki68 said:

All I know is united had a very positive response to an enquiry ,which led them to withdraw from Pedro .
You heard lvg,the Pedro deal was easy ,all they had to do was meet the buy out clause,they chose not to.


I think we will hear more after tomorrow night.

You guys best hope this other deal comes off then, because if the window closes and you haven't managed to sign Pedro 2.0, then you're going to look incredibly stupid for not stumping up £20m!

But they had to take a risk and gamble on the 'better' option. We need a few extra players but not desperate for a wide player. I would prefer we spend on a striker rather than someone we dont really need.

Wait have united made a bid for someone else? Or has that to be announced yet?

[NailedOn]

XM5ER said:

Its getting silly now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ma...

£240 million quid (including salary). He's good but not that good. Is this the Premiership about to have a Lehman Brothers moment?

Hm.
The DT also says that LVG will use Fellaini as a striker so there is no need to buy.

Neymar and Fellaini have much in common:
Both blokes and er play football.
Wait, hold on.... They are both foreign.
So identical.
Almost.

[JeS10]

NailedOn said:

Hm.
The DT also says that LVG will use Fellaini as a striker so there is no need to buy.

Neymar and Fellaini have much in common:
Both blokes and er play football.
Wait, hold on.... They are both foreign.
So identical.
Almost.

We don't need a striker. We have a permmy Belgian!

"This year he'll [Fellaini] be more a number nine or ten than at six or eight," said Van Gaal of the Belgium international, 27.