The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]

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Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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anonymous said:
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We don't have a best player .....

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Alpinestars said:
I don't believe LVG should go but I do agree with a lot of comments here. He has brought some discipline to the club, which I think was lost under Moyes, but he is too authoritarian in my view. It's his way or no way.

This shows in 2 ways for me.

1. On the pitch. All is fine so long as we control the game. It doesn't matter that his team does not entertain, so long as we control the game and create one or two chances.

2. This "philosophy" is going to put a lot of players off. Those that don't want to play to an authoritarian system and those that feel their flair will be stifled by an single minded boss. Maybe Pedro?

I think the best we can do this season is qualify from the CL group, and make the top 4 again. We have fk all chance of winning the league.

There is no knee jerk from me. I've said we have been awful from the minute we kicked the season off. I don't see any progress and don't see that the current style will yield enough goals, let alone entertain anyone.

Under Moyes we were clueless, under LVG we have a system. The end result is the same. We are st and entertainment is not the plat du jour.

Giggs must be pulling his hair out.
He seemed quite happy with Depay's flair against Bruges....

I think you don't understand his reasoning and/or thinking. Guardiola, Mourinho have a very obvious and distinctive "philosophy" as well; they want to see their team play a certain way, mould them, grind it in, whether it's attacking or defending, on a team and individual level.
If you a group of quality players or a team which has already been shaped like Gaurdiola and Mourinho have at Bayern (or previous at Barca) and Chelsea, it's litle easier than a team under construction like ManU.


Granfondo

12,241 posts

205 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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DeltonaS said:
Too much romance...

Didn't LvG say he wanted more creative and faster players this season ?? didn't he regret DiMaria leaving ?? Falcao (and his pricetag) couldn't deliver. Looks like ManU has a problem; too many topclubs, too few quality players available or wanting to come to Manu.

When Fergusan was in charge (not in his last couple of years, the team he left behind was old and/or lacked quality; ask Moyes)the world of football looked a little different, the PL itself included. ManU was at the top of the pyramid, ManU only had to pick and choose the players it wanted. Now Barca, Real and probably Bayern are in that position; with the City's, Chelsea's and PSG's in their slipstream.

But still; Depay, Schweini and Schneiderlin in this season isn't bad. If only a striker and right winger could be added...

Edited by DeltonaS on Sunday 30th August 20:31
As a neutral no romance from me!

He may have left an ageing underfunded team but they won the league due to the managers playing philosophy.

Had Moyes been given £150million don't worry he would have finished in CL position!

The keeper debacle should have been sorted with a swap for a world class No9 for Rooney to feed/feed off.

The team is to pedestrian and they play in front of the opposition which makes it easy to defend against. All IMO of course. smile

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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I get that. But it's a philosophy which off sides both fans and players. That's terminal. The way DDG, DM and Valdes have been handled is awful. Some/all of that is down to LVG. If I were a player, on the face of it I'd far rather play for Maureen or Pep.

LVG's style of management is old school authoritarian. That doesn't work in an age where players have mobility and a huge choice. Managers need to blend authority with pastoral care.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Alpinestars said:
I'd like to say better than yours, but I'd be lying.
Look on the bright side. At least you scored.

E63M6

594 posts

119 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Just realised that deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday must have missed that. What's the reasons behind the change?

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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E63M6 said:
Just realised that deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday must have missed that. What's the reasons behind the change?
Champions league registration players must be done by 11pm .

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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E63M6 said:
Just realised that deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday must have missed that. What's the reasons behind the change?
Dunno but Jim White is fuming.

jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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E63M6 said:
Just realised that deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday must have missed that. What's the reasons behind the change?
FA don't wanna pay overtime. wink

E63M6

594 posts

119 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Black can man said:
Champions league registration players must be done by 11pm .
Thanks,

Must say it'll probably take a bit of fun out of it.

NailedOn

3,114 posts

234 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Alpinestars said:
I don't believe LVG should go but I do agree with a lot of comments here. He has brought some discipline to the club, which I think was lost under Moyes, but he is too authoritarian in my view. It's his way or no way.

This shows in 2 ways for me.

1. On the pitch. All is fine so long as we control the game. It doesn't matter that his team does not entertain, so long as we control the game and create one or two chances.

2. This "philosophy" is going to put a lot of players off. Those that don't want to play to an authoritarian system and those that feel their flair will be stifled by an single minded boss. Maybe Pedro?

I think the best we can do this season is qualify from the CL group, and make the top 4 again. We have fk all chance of winning the league.

There is no knee jerk from me. I've said we have been awful from the minute we kicked the season off. I don't see any progress and don't see that the current style will yield enough goals, let alone entertain anyone.

Under Moyes we were clueless, under LVG we have a system. The end result is the same. We are st and entertainment is not the plat du jour.

Giggs must be pulling his hair out.
Well said AS.
United are still thrashing about in the post Sir Alex age.
I'm not calling for LVG's head on a platter. I just don't think he's shown anything much so far.
The league happens in real time. So far he has overseen 42 league games and has done no more than the minimum acceptable. If this is his best, we have the wrong man.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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E63M6 said:
Black can man said:
Champions league registration players must be done by 11pm .
Thanks,

Must say it'll probably take a bit of fun out of it.
Yes i agree , it's just a bullock ache that the 31st fell on a bank holiday

jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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NailedOn said:
Well said AS.
United are still thrashing about in the post Sir Alex age.
I'm not calling for LVG's head on a platter. I just don't think he's shown anything much so far.
The league happens in real time. So far he has overseen 42 league games and has done no more than the minimum acceptable. If this is his best, we have the wrong man.
The other way of looking at it is that he's hit the targets set for him.

You guys went all gung-ho with the money last summer and he got you top four (which was the target I believe), albeit not with SAF style football. Must be a reason why the wallet has stayed hidden this summer?

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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LVG has bought well. Worst comes to the worst and we're still in a much better place than when Moyes left. He was killing the team. A year more of that dross and we would have been a mid-table club for years to come.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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ORD said:
LVG has bought well. Worst comes to the worst and we're still in a much better place than when Moyes left. He was killing the team. A year more of that dross and we would have been a mid-table club for years to come.
yes

In a number of positions we are set for years to come and we've got rid of a lot of deadwood.

As Jammy says he's hit the targets set for him so far. We've been spoilt under SAF for years, the reality is even our money doesn't mean that much anymore (hence us struggling to sign a marquee player this window)

Today was white but I'm happy with the direction the club is going and believe the football will improve over the season.

Athlon

4,998 posts

205 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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But this IS the same dross.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

137 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Alpinestars said:
I get that. But it's a philosophy which off sides both fans and players. That's terminal. The way DDG, DM and Valdes have been handled is awful.
I think the general public lacks insight to really judgde, but:

Valdes as a former Barca star was too proud to play in the 2nd team to get some rhythm. DDG with a 1 year contract wants a transfer to Real. Real subsequently is lowballing ManU and stalls the transfer. Why let him play with a CL qualy and the start of the season at stake when his future seems to be somewhere else.

And what did LvG handle awfull regarding DM ?? His wife didn't like Manchester, I believe she said "The back of a fridge is more interesting", subsequently after 2 good matches and an injury DM decided to play awfull the rest of the season, not show up on ManU's US tour despite agreements and give his agent the task of finding a new club.

Professional athletes earing £100k/week + have some responsibilities as well...

Alpinestars said:
Some/all of that is down to LVG. If I were a player, on the face of it I'd far rather play for Maureen or Pep.
Speaking of awful handling; don't get in the medical staff of either of them, they both have a tendency to abreact on them......

Alpinestars said:
LVG's style of management is old school authoritarian. That doesn't work in an age where players have mobility and a huge choice. Managers need to blend authority with pastoral care.
I'm not so sure he's as authoritarian as he comes accross in the media; players often tell a diff. story. Schweinsteiger, Blind and Depay all worked with him before and moved to ManU regardless, so did Valdes by the way.

Edited by DeltonaS on Monday 31st August 11:08

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Good post Deltona

NailedOn

3,114 posts

234 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Anyone have any useful 'Morning After Defeat' advice.
I had a boss, season ticket holder too, who used to say 'get over it.'
The international break makes it harder to look ahead. So the pall of defeat lingers like a dead mouse under the fridge.

jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Isn't that even worse? It means LVG is buying good players and making them play like crap?

Also, as GNev said yesterday, Utd have always had four strikers. If Hernandez goes that leaves you with just one, in Rooney. If Moyes was killing the team, LVG is seemingly killing your front line! Having said that, I don't think you'll let Chico go without bringing someone in, but there doesn't seem much point in keeping him as LVG doesn't even seem to realise he's there.
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