The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]
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ORD said:
I had not really identified that as the main problem, but it really is the biggest vice of this team - players never receiving the ball when in their stride. It is pretty hard to beat a man if you have to receive the ball stationary and then initiate a run.
It's like watching a 1 or 2 touch training session, inside a 10 yard coned box. Pass and move, get shut down, give and go, keep the ball moving. Great to have the skill and speed over short bursts, but you never get out of that box.http://youtu.be/Y8jGEkwq8FI
Also we never seem to have 3-4 players moving forward from midfield at the same time to attack, making different runs giving the oppo something to think about. Good movement kills all teams. Our players are already in their position's ready to receive, but often under pressure. Shape is great when out of possession witness how other teams defend against us. Shape isn't so great when in possession as you become predictable and easy to play against.
It's as though LVG's tactic is to simply hope that at some point with our possession we will score, which will change the game. If we don't we get desperate and Fellaini comes on...
Gone are the days of a 4 or 5 or more to Nil. Under this manager at least.
It's as though LVG's tactic is to simply hope that at some point with our possession we will score, which will change the game. If we don't we get desperate and Fellaini comes on...
Gone are the days of a 4 or 5 or more to Nil. Under this manager at least.
57Ford said:
I'm not suggesting we could be anywhere near as good as your apparently revered Bayern & Barce.
Not just my revered. With that comment you seem to distance yourself from two clubs that master attacking footbal, the style of play so desperately wanted by ManU. And one of these two clubs will win the CL this season, again....
57Ford said:
And if that's not true, then van Gaal's failed by buying s
te with the mega bucks spent so far. Either way, he needs to get his act together in my blinkered fan's-eye view.
As I think I mentioned, I'm a little upset at how far this particular mighty has fallen and how low we still appear to be. Sorry if it comes across as negative but it's hard to take a performance like that when you understand the meaning of ''the United way' of playing the game. It's a real thing for thousands of us and while a new manager will bring his own minor traits to the team, it's bks to suggest the whole club ethos should be shaped around his personal style unless he's earned that right over a 20+ year period with the club.
That reference again, always risky to tie up a club completely to one person, even if their called Ferguson. People come and go, sooner or later. And by the way what's the "United way" anyway, since people/media struggle to pin point the style of play exactly other than vague descriptions like free-flowing, risky, atacking football. te with the mega bucks spent so far. Either way, he needs to get his act together in my blinkered fan's-eye view. As I think I mentioned, I'm a little upset at how far this particular mighty has fallen and how low we still appear to be. Sorry if it comes across as negative but it's hard to take a performance like that when you understand the meaning of ''the United way' of playing the game. It's a real thing for thousands of us and while a new manager will bring his own minor traits to the team, it's b
ks to suggest the whole club ethos should be shaped around his personal style unless he's earned that right over a 20+ year period with the club.bridgdav said:
A clear strategy it seems that LVG is instilling in the players is to take the ball whilst standing still.
On almost every occasion, the pass to a receiving player is not only sideways, but when the player lacks movement.
The Tiki tapi one touch type of football is all very well, keeping possession too, but the players themselves need to make the burst to take the ball in space with room to run into.
The BIG cross field balls from Bastian and co are great to watch, but seem to be the only way we are going forward.
We have lost that ability to turn defenders, getting round the back (As John Barnes used to sing)
I don't believe that we are too far from that breakthrough though..
Many of the pundits who watched the new players in their previous clubs are amazed that the players seem to have gone backwards in their development and impact. DI Maria and Memphis being prime examples.
Where do we go from here..?
Good insights.On almost every occasion, the pass to a receiving player is not only sideways, but when the player lacks movement.
The Tiki tapi one touch type of football is all very well, keeping possession too, but the players themselves need to make the burst to take the ball in space with room to run into.
The BIG cross field balls from Bastian and co are great to watch, but seem to be the only way we are going forward.
We have lost that ability to turn defenders, getting round the back (As John Barnes used to sing)
I don't believe that we are too far from that breakthrough though..
Many of the pundits who watched the new players in their previous clubs are amazed that the players seem to have gone backwards in their development and impact. DI Maria and Memphis being prime examples.
Where do we go from here..?
I was at the game last night and made these observations:
- United ran a lot when PSV had the ball but walked when in possession
- The forwards knackered themselves pressing the ball
- Hardly any defence splitting passes were attempted
- DDG seldom punted the ball even when Fellaini was on
- No counter attacks of note
- Wazza is slow
- Plan B was Young and Fellaini but Young was ignored out left, Fellaini fouls or concedes possession about 75% of the time
- No spirit or bite or guile or leadership
- The team looked shot after 20 mins and to me, over coached and over defensive
I have no answers but expecting a different outcome from the same approach is a fool's game.
"United ran a lot when PSV had the ball but walked when in possession"
An observation I've made before. We don't have good movement when we are on the ball. It's all about getting and keeping the ball.
I think he's got to start allowing the players to take "risks" by looking for passes that try to spilt defences. So what if we occasionally lose the ball.
With the current style, the forwards stop making forward runs because the chance of receiving a defence splitting pass are remote. The odd time we make such a pass, the forwards aren't anticipating it, having got bored waiting for one all game. Happens in every game.
Quicker football, more risk, more forward looking, playing to Martial's, Memphis' and Jess' pace.
He might need to sacrifice the solidity of the midfield in order to execute such a plan. Probably playing Herrera alongside Bastian or Schneider.
An observation I've made before. We don't have good movement when we are on the ball. It's all about getting and keeping the ball.
I think he's got to start allowing the players to take "risks" by looking for passes that try to spilt defences. So what if we occasionally lose the ball.
With the current style, the forwards stop making forward runs because the chance of receiving a defence splitting pass are remote. The odd time we make such a pass, the forwards aren't anticipating it, having got bored waiting for one all game. Happens in every game.
Quicker football, more risk, more forward looking, playing to Martial's, Memphis' and Jess' pace.
He might need to sacrifice the solidity of the midfield in order to execute such a plan. Probably playing Herrera alongside Bastian or Schneider.
Agree,there is no movement when we have the ball, no one is prepared to take anyone on .
They are paying with fear ,fear of disobeying lvg,and you can't have a team like that and expect to win stuff.
Lvg is playing the percentage game ,make us tough to beat is easier than creating a free flowing beautiful to watch team ,that wins games.
herrera has to play ,and. Not as number 10, as a center mid to give us some movement and penetration form the middle .
They are paying with fear ,fear of disobeying lvg,and you can't have a team like that and expect to win stuff.
Lvg is playing the percentage game ,make us tough to beat is easier than creating a free flowing beautiful to watch team ,that wins games.
herrera has to play ,and. Not as number 10, as a center mid to give us some movement and penetration form the middle .
j4ckos mate said:
Im not comfortable with LVG if im honest,
i know were second etc
we seem to go for possession and playing it side wards,
i cant envisage any top players want to be part of it either,
To your last point. Ronnie would be away to PSG in a flash given the chance to be himself.i know were second etc
we seem to go for possession and playing it side wards,
i cant envisage any top players want to be part of it either,
He's unlikely to sign up for a tedious end to his career.
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