The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]
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57Ford said:
Depay coming on. I'm surprised some of the folk on here haven't buried him under Kev Webster's new garage after the amount of abuse he got last week. He's young and a bit too arrogant that's all. He's plenty time to learn.
Problem is he's not only too arogant, he's too lacklustre, doesn't fight. Given his performance at ManU up till now he has no right being there.
E63M6 said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
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But you know what, I just stick with ManU.....
I think that the players are getting too much of the blame for our form. The players are easily good enough to get a top four finish. The team is underperforming badly. And the manager has to take most of the blame for that, along with the coaches (which, shock horror, means Giggs has a hand in this turd).
ORD said:
I think that the players are getting too much of the blame for our form. The players are easily good enough to get a top four finish. The team is underperforming badly. And the manager has to take most of the blame for that, along with the coaches (which, shock horror, means Giggs has a hand in this turd).
? Read it twice and still don't understand. Who the fk do you think is out there kicking the ball? And as for the players being 'easily good enough to get a top four finish' I suggest you do a little in depth analysis without the rose tinted Manchester glasses on. Seventy said:
ORD said:
I think that the players are getting too much of the blame for our form. The players are easily good enough to get a top four finish. The team is underperforming badly. And the manager has to take most of the blame for that, along with the coaches (which, shock horror, means Giggs has a hand in this turd).
? Read it twice and still don't understand. Who the fk do you think is out there kicking the ball? And as for the players being 'easily good enough to get a top four finish' I suggest you do a little in depth analysis without the rose tinted Manchester glasses on. The players are decent enough to get the points total needed for a top four finish. They are lacking confidence and are still confused by LvG's bizarre 'philoshoffee'.
Players are very malleable. They can change in the space of a few weeks with a good manager. The team is currently less than the sum of its parts.
ORD said:
Wow. You're tough.
The players are decent enough to get the points total needed for a top four finish. They are lacking confidence and are still confused by LvG's bizarre 'philoshoffee'.
Players are very malleable. They can change in the space of a few weeks with a good manager. The team is currently less than the sum of its parts.
Agreed. I think they could do well under another manager with a different system. That's the LVG paradox for me. He's played a lot of young players who could do really well, who have not performed well enough in his system. The players are decent enough to get the points total needed for a top four finish. They are lacking confidence and are still confused by LvG's bizarre 'philoshoffee'.
Players are very malleable. They can change in the space of a few weeks with a good manager. The team is currently less than the sum of its parts.
Alpinestars said:
Agreed. I think they could do well under another manager with a different system. That's the LVG paradox for me. He's played a lot of young players who could do really well, who have not performed well enough in his system.
Probably been said a million times here - but he's trying to follow his formula from previous clubs in a different English league and footballing culture. Arguably he should be adapting to a quicker, more direct style when required, but it seems the more failures he experiences, the more entrenched he becomes in his beliefs of "position football" or whatever it was he said pre match today.Being strong willed is fine when you're winning...!
simoid said:
Probably been said a million times here - but he's trying to follow his formula from previous clubs in a different English league and footballing culture. Arguably he should be adapting to a quicker, more direct style when required, but it seems the more failures he experiences, the more entrenched he becomes in his beliefs of "position football" or whatever it was he said pre match today.
Being strong willed is fine when you're winning...!
Yep. Being strong willed is fine when you're winning...!
One of the biggest problems has been that he's not improved the defence. Mike's had a great season but the cracks are starting to appear, Blind is a good footballer but not a natural CB, we've struggled at FB through injury, inexperience and round holes and square pegs syndrome, and have no natural leader at the back.
The upshot has been that when we have tried to play more attacking football, we've leaked goals far too easily. I think this made him play far more defensively (as a team), keep ball, and lose any expansive football and become very risk averse.
The season has ebbed and flowed (unlike the football) between the two styles, with the more attacking style resulting in defeat every 3 or 4 games, and then back to the defensive style. He's been too scared to lose and see the attacking style develop.
We have the players, but we need someone brave to come in, sort the defence out and play the "United" way. I think the fans would have more patience if we saw that mentality.
Unfortunately, with two unsuccessful managers, we may need to resort to Maureen, who is a brilliant manager, but might not play attacking football. But he might get the results that we need. Had LVG done better, the club could have taken a "risk" on a manager with a more attacking style of football. As things stand, we're almost in A&E and unfortunately, need to take some medicine.
Another woeful performance ,and again in an important game.Great chance to put pressure on the teams above,ruined.
Yes the players are equally as culpable as the manager but these are players either bought by or retained by lvg so he is completely responsible,they lack character ,it's very clear to see .Fergy always said the first thing he looked at Ina player was character,this team has none.No ability to close out a game,no ability to come back into a game ,losing I can accept when outplayed by a better team,but watching these players repeatedly bottle it is disheartening.
8 games against the bottom 5 teams so far and only 11 points taken says a lot.
Yes the players are equally as culpable as the manager but these are players either bought by or retained by lvg so he is completely responsible,they lack character ,it's very clear to see .Fergy always said the first thing he looked at Ina player was character,this team has none.No ability to close out a game,no ability to come back into a game ,losing I can accept when outplayed by a better team,but watching these players repeatedly bottle it is disheartening.
8 games against the bottom 5 teams so far and only 11 points taken says a lot.
Alpinestars said:
Yep.
One of the biggest problems has been that he's not improved the defence. Mike's had a great season but the cracks are starting to appear, Blind is a good footballer but not a natural CB, we've struggled at FB through injury, inexperience and round holes and square pegs syndrome, and have no natural leader at the back.
The upshot has been that when we have tried to play more attacking football, we've leaked goals far too easily. I think this made him play far more defensively (as a team), keep ball, and lose any expansive football and become very risk averse.
The season has ebbed and flowed (unlike the football) between the two styles, with the more attacking style resulting in defeat every 3 or 4 games, and then back to the defensive style. He's been too scared to lose and see the attacking style develop.
We have the players, but we need someone brave to come in, sort the defence out and play the "United" way. I think the fans would have more patience if we saw that mentality.
Unfortunately, with two unsuccessful managers, we may need to resort to Maureen, who is a brilliant manager, but might not play attacking football. But he might get the results that we need. Had LVG done better, the club could have taken a "risk" o / n a manager with a more attacking style of football. As things stand, we're almost in A&E and unfortunately, need to take some medicine.
Not following this post. You appear to be saying that the problem is with the defence - round holes and square pegs / no natural leader and that LVG has failed to improve it. Are you saying that he should be able to coach people into being 'natural leaders' / full backs / CB's or that the failure has been with recruitment, for which the blame lies elsewhere.One of the biggest problems has been that he's not improved the defence. Mike's had a great season but the cracks are starting to appear, Blind is a good footballer but not a natural CB, we've struggled at FB through injury, inexperience and round holes and square pegs syndrome, and have no natural leader at the back.
The upshot has been that when we have tried to play more attacking football, we've leaked goals far too easily. I think this made him play far more defensively (as a team), keep ball, and lose any expansive football and become very risk averse.
The season has ebbed and flowed (unlike the football) between the two styles, with the more attacking style resulting in defeat every 3 or 4 games, and then back to the defensive style. He's been too scared to lose and see the attacking style develop.
We have the players, but we need someone brave to come in, sort the defence out and play the "United" way. I think the fans would have more patience if we saw that mentality.
Unfortunately, with two unsuccessful managers, we may need to resort to Maureen, who is a brilliant manager, but might not play attacking football. But he might get the results that we need. Had LVG done better, the club could have taken a "risk" o / n a manager with a more attacking style of football. As things stand, we're almost in A&E and unfortunately, need to take some medicine.
Presumably if recruitment had delivered the required standard of defence then LVG would be freer to play 'the united way' with confidence in his back line.
Easier to blame the manager for all ills though?
DeltonaS said:
E63M6 said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Manchester United
Newcastle United
West Ham United
Leeds United
Sheffield United
Shorpe United
Colchester United
Peterborough United
Carlisle United
Hartlepool United
Rotherham United
Southend United
Oxford United
Torquay United
Hereford United
Well done... Newcastle United
West Ham United
Leeds United
Sheffield United
Shorpe United
Colchester United
Peterborough United
Carlisle United
Hartlepool United
Rotherham United
Southend United
Oxford United
Torquay United
Hereford United
United States
United Nations
United Healthcare
But you know what, I just stick with ManUre.....
smn159 said:
Not following this post. You appear to be saying that the problem is with the defence - round holes and square pegs / no natural leader and that LVG has failed to improve it. Are you saying that he should be able to coach people into being 'natural leaders' / full backs / CB's or that the failure has been with recruitment, for which the blame lies elsewhere.
Presumably if recruitment had delivered the required standard of defence then LVG would be freer to play 'the united way' with confidence in his back line.
Easier to blame the manager for all ills though?
The defensive stuff is down to LVG not buying a CB or two and a leader in that position. And playing the likes of Ashley Young out of position. Presumably if recruitment had delivered the required standard of defence then LVG would be freer to play 'the united way' with confidence in his back line.
Easier to blame the manager for all ills though?
Without a solid defence it's very hard to be an attacking, winning side. Conversely, it's not that difficult to set the team up to be very defensive and have very few attempts on target.
Both have been demonstrated during LVG's tenure, and this side has never struck the right balance.
TEKNOPUG said:
ORD said:
I think that the players are getting too much of the blame for our form. The players are easily good enough to get a top four finish.
Nailed on for top 4, no?ORD said:
If we carry on playing such dull football, we will not win the league (our record so far is terrible, and we are only near the top because everyone else is terrible, too).
The only variable, then, is where we finish between 2nd and 4th. I couldnt care less as between 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so let's take some bloody risks.
We have lost 4 games even playing as we do, so it is not like it could be a step change in terms of points. It may lose us 4 or 5 points over the rest of the season. Nothing.
The only variable, then, is where we finish between 2nd and 4th. I couldnt care less as between 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so let's take some bloody risks.
We have lost 4 games even playing as we do, so it is not like it could be a step change in terms of points. It may lose us 4 or 5 points over the rest of the season. Nothing.
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