The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]
Discussion
lionelf said:
Merc 450 said:
Not sure ibrahimovic's age will be that much of a problem, he will be three months older than when he finished a season with 50 goals in 52 appearances in all competitions
That was in Ligue 1. That's almost not football.
I'm hoping the press conference is after the champions league final and Mourinho turns up with Zlatan and Ronaldo sat either side of him as his new players/attacking coaches
MiniMan64 said:
Does no one else feel the potential Ibrahimovic signing has a whiff of Falco? Remember how excited we were about that?
Injuries notwithstanding I still think Falcao could do a job for us, never under Van Gaal though, he is nothing if not brilliant at ruining strikers, especially box players. MiniMan64 said:
Does no one else feel the potential Ibrahimovic signing has a whiff of Falco? Remember how excited we were about that?
Nah, player who had been out for who knows how long with an ACL injury versus the beast that is Zlatan coming off the back of a 50 goal season. No comparison.Is there anyone playing for Utd who would have scored 50 goals at PSG last season? I think not.
anniesdad said:
MiniMan64 said:
Does no one else feel the potential Ibrahimovic signing has a whiff of Falco? Remember how excited we were about that?
Injuries notwithstanding I still think Falcao could do a job for us, never under Van Gaal though, he is nothing if not brilliant at ruining strikers, especially box players. bstb3 said:
bridgdav said:
Please BBC Sport..
If you are going to make a Photoshop picture.. At least get it right.
Spot the mistake..?
To be fair that scarf was on sale back in December, Unted and all. Just can't get the quality of tat merchants these days.If you are going to make a Photoshop picture.. At least get it right.
Spot the mistake..?
Wombat3 said:
Nah, player who had been out for who knows how long with an ACL injury versus the beast that is Zlatan coming off the back of a 50 goal season. No comparison.
Is there anyone playing for Utd who would have scored 50 goals at PSG last season? I think not.
Mike Smalling.Is there anyone playing for Utd who would have scored 50 goals at PSG last season? I think not.
It is easier to score lots in L1 than the Championship. Most teams are bad and don't try (which is true of half of the Spanish league, too).
berlintaxi said:
According to Levy, the squad is ring fenced and will not be affected sale or investment wise by the stadium build.
Because stating the truth "everyone has their price" and essentially "everyone is for sale" would make him really popular 
"Ring Fenced" mind, only Levy could use a phrase like that while having a track record of selling every decent player that has ever played under him.berlintaxi said:
Ibrahimovic and his ego are toxic in any dressing room, certainly won't engender a team spirit at Old Trafford, as for his scoring record the French league is hardly top draw football.
What are you basing this on? I don't recall seeing any issues at PSG? The players seemed to love him?One thing springs to mind with you BT:-
Funnily enough, same with all my mates who support Spurs, they've been the same for years bless them
Tuvra said:
What are you basing this on? I don't recall seeing any issues at PSG? The players seemed to love him?
One thing springs to mind with you BT:-
Funnily enough, same with all my mates who support Spurs, they've been the same for years bless them
Are they rose tinted glasses, or the spectre of Arsenal hunting them down every year?One thing springs to mind with you BT:-
Funnily enough, same with all my mates who support Spurs, they've been the same for years bless them
Tuvra said:
"Ring Fenced" mind, only Levy could use a phrase like that while having a track record of selling every decent player that has ever played under him.
Kane and Alli will go if the price is right (which in Kane's case is likely the cost of the new stadium ) or they can't stand to be at the club any longer, like Ronaldo.But they wont be sold to United and they know it, as do Chelsea, so they'll not even bother enquiring. I think Levy would only really talk to Manchester City in the UK.
Alpinestars said:
Thanks for the history lesson.
It's not a history lesson, it's something with rose tinted glasses. Alpinestars said:
The point you keep missing is progress.
ManU showed it's not about progress, it's all about short term results and ROI for the Glazers. Style of play, whether it's good or bad, or something in between, is not even secondary. ManU has been used to success in the past two decades and they want it back. Plus they have a P&L (aka sponsor and tv right deals, etc.) based on a club with success.
In the first year ManU/LvG tried to invest in proven players up front, they either weren't interested (Muller,etc) or failed miserably (Falcao). So subsequently LvG invested and committed even more to youth (Martial, Depay) even more so when Rooney also failed to deliver his promised 20 goals up front, so he replaced him with Rashford.
LvG told the media at the beginning of this season he envisioned trouble regarding creativity and goals. It turned out to be right. Did he ever get any backup from ManU or Edie Wayward during the process in taking such a risk. Did ManU ever explained their policy and their expectancy regarding short and mid term performance.
You expect a manager responsible for the overall operations of the club, Edie Wayward that is, to give some guidance regarding the policy taken and actions ManU committed to.
But nothing whatsoever. Total silence. Pure and total amateurism.
Alpinestars said:
LVG has made no progress in terms of the football UNITED play. And I'm not sure anyone could see that progress would have been made. His style of football may well have been successfull in the 90s, but it's never going to cut it now. So there was never going to be any point in extending his tenure once you realise that.
Odd, another reference to the '90.
Bayern was in sort of a similar situation as ManU is, in 2009 that is, not 1990. With Klinsmann in the role of Moyes. Apart from the youth, which LvG introduced there (Muller, Lahm, Badstuber etc.), the difference was that Bayern did have experience and some WC players (Ribery for instance), plus he bought Robben. Which let to the national double and CL final in 2010.
Alpinestars said:
Ferguson came in without having inherited a club with shed loads of cash and one that had been dominant for the past two decades. He made progress in how the team played football. On top of that, there was not the same commercial pressure to produce quick results. But the point you fail to understand time and time, is that Fergie was key to United's success. Proved by the number of times he rebuilt the team. And that he won the PL in his last season (and very nearly in his penultimate season), with a mediocre team.
You really don't get it, time and time again.SAF is a brilliant manager. But when SAF won his last title he had an experienced, proven squad, of whom many played with each other for years. PLUS he had the leaques top goal scorer. He had goals.
Those experienced players almost all left, RvP included for being knackered.
ManU, SAF, didn't rebuild most of the time. Top money clubs, the clubs ManU should be competing with (for players and results) see Barca, Real and Bayern, they MAINTAIN their squad. ManU forgot to invest and replace the experience and goals years ago.
It's not all about the manager, any manager, you need proven WC players, and goals.
Probably the reason why ManU is now linked with Ibrahimovic.
You may not like it, but "your" club is lagging behind by missing the boat years ago.
I thought you guys were close to paying off all your debt?!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
The Guardian said:
State they are in: In the 742-page accounts filed to the New York stock exchange for Cayman Islands-registered United, one chart tells a key story. In 2008-09, when Sir Alex Ferguson won a third successive title and reached the Champions League final, United made £44m net selling players and paid £69m interest on the £525m loans the Glazers imposed when buying United in 2005. In 2014-15, a decade of eyewatering debt passed, United still paid £35m interest and owed £411m. With turnover boosted by dedicated selling of sponsorships, United spent net £97m on players and yet, with Ferguson a memory, still failed this season to qualify for the Champions League. This was the year that the Glazers began to share an annual dividend of £15m.
jammy_basturd said:
I thought you guys were close to paying off all your debt?!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
Brilliant, you completely ignored the net debt that's stated just before the snippet you picked. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
The Guardian said:
State they are in: In the 742-page accounts filed to the New York stock exchange for Cayman Islands-registered United, one chart tells a key story. In 2008-09, when Sir Alex Ferguson won a third successive title and reached the Champions League final, United made £44m net selling players and paid £69m interest on the £525m loans the Glazers imposed when buying United in 2005. In 2014-15, a decade of eyewatering debt passed, United still paid £35m interest and owed £411m. With turnover boosted by dedicated selling of sponsorships, United spent net £97m on players and yet, with Ferguson a memory, still failed this season to qualify for the Champions League. This was the year that the Glazers began to share an annual dividend of £15m.
snorky782 said:
jammy_basturd said:
I thought you guys were close to paying off all your debt?!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
Brilliant, you completely ignored the net debt that's stated just before the snippet you picked. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/p...
The Guardian said:
State they are in: In the 742-page accounts filed to the New York stock exchange for Cayman Islands-registered United, one chart tells a key story. In 2008-09, when Sir Alex Ferguson won a third successive title and reached the Champions League final, United made £44m net selling players and paid £69m interest on the £525m loans the Glazers imposed when buying United in 2005. In 2014-15, a decade of eyewatering debt passed, United still paid £35m interest and owed £411m. With turnover boosted by dedicated selling of sponsorships, United spent net £97m on players and yet, with Ferguson a memory, still failed this season to qualify for the Champions League. This was the year that the Glazers began to share an annual dividend of £15m.
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