The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]

[snorky782]

London424 said:

Didn't take long to chuck the youth policy out the window did it?!

What youth policy? We've had two batches of youth in our history, The Busby Babes and the Class of '92. Since then we've produced next to nothing in terms of regular first team players. I'm sure this has been asked before can anyone name 5 regular first team players since the Class of 92 graduated. That's the best part of a quarter of a century.

[Richyvrlimited]

snorky782 said:

What youth policy? We've had two batches of youth in our history, The Busby Babes and the Class of '92. Since then we've produced next to nothing in terms of regular first team players. I'm sure this has been asked before can anyone name 5 regular first team players since the Class of 92 graduated. That's the best part of a quarter of a century.

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown
Darren Fletcher
John O'Shea
Jonny Evans
Danny Wellbeck

[Zoon]

Richyvrlimited said:

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown
Darren Fletcher
John O'Shea
Jonny Evans
Danny Wellbeck

Are you forgetting Jesse Lingard?

[anonymous-user]

Challo said:

ORD said:

Surely not Mensah and Perreira?! Both huge potential.

I was thinking the same. Mensah and Perreira have great potential at the club.

Be interested to see what source that comes from or just normal media rubbish

AIUI some of these are loans rather than exits

IIRC TFM, Pereira and Wilson have all been told they have long term futures at the club but will be going on loan to get more first team footbal

[London424]

snorky782 said:

London424 said:

Didn't take long to chuck the youth policy out the window did it?!

What youth policy? We've had two batches of youth in our history, The Busby Babes and the Class of '92. Since then we've produced next to nothing in terms of regular first team players. I'm sure this has been asked before can anyone name 5 regular first team players since the Class of 92 graduated. That's the best part of a quarter of a century.

Congrats on apparently knowing nothing about your club.

[ascayman]

Mensah is a great prospect. You'd be nuts to let him go

[ORD]

anonymous said:

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According to the press, yeah.

I cannot understand Mensah being told to sling his hook. He is not only promising but:

(1) Definitely a Mourinho player.
(2) More than slightly reminiscent of a player we are willing to pay £100m to buy back having stupidly let him go as a youngster!

Fast forward 4 years to us buying FM from Bayern for £100m after he becomes the best defensive midfielder in Europe.

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

According to the press, yeah.

I cannot understand Mensah being told to sling his hook. He is not only promising but:

(1) Definitely a Mourinho player.
(2) More than slightly reminiscent of a player we are willing to pay £100m to buy back having stupidly let him go as a youngster!

Fast forward 4 years to us buying FM from Bayern for £100m after he becomes the best defensive midfielder in Europe.

Loan, he won't be sold

[Challo]

anonymous said:

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If you look at the squad currently we have 32 first teamers, then another 3 Blackett, Wilson and Varela who dont have squad numbers. Jose prefers to have a smaller squad to work with so I would suspect some kids going on loan, and some of the older first teamers Rojo, Fellani being sold.

[snorky782]

Richyvrlimited said:

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown - was not a first team regular
Darren Fletcher - agreed
John O'Shea - bit part player after his amazing first season.
Jonny Evans - didn't last long though was back up to Ferdinand and Vidic for most of his time and then sold within two seasons of having a chance to establish himself.
Danny Welbeck - as above. Bit part player who was then sold. Never a first team regular.

Edited as above

[snorky782]

London424 said:

snorky782 said:

London424 said:

Didn't take long to chuck the youth policy out the window did it?!

What youth policy? We've had two batches of youth in our history, The Busby Babes and the Class of '92. Since then we've produced next to nothing in terms of regular first team players. I'm sure this has been asked before can anyone name 5 regular first team players since the Class of 92 graduated. That's the best part of a quarter of a century.

Congrats on apparently knowing nothing about your club.

I know plenty thanks. I also know that the players quoted were more squad players covering for the regular players when injured and never a first pick, probably excluding Fletcher. Welbeck and Evans could be argued, but both were sold within a coup,e of years of having their chance to establish themselves as first pick.

[Zoon]

snorky782 said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown - was not a first team regular
Darren Fletcher - agreed
John O'Shea - bit part player after his amazing first season.
Jonny Evans - didn't last long though was back up to Ferdinand and Vidic for most of his time and then sold within two seasons of having a chance to establish himself.
Danny Welbeck - as above. Bit part player who was then sold. Never a first team regular.

Edited as above

Wes Brown made 232 appearances. How was he not a regular?
John O'Shea, first team regular for 7 seasons?

[snorky782]

Zoon said:

snorky782 said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown - was not a first team regular
Darren Fletcher - agreed
John O'Shea - bit part player after his amazing first season.
Jonny Evans - didn't last long though was back up to Ferdinand and Vidic for most of his time and then sold within two seasons of having a chance to establish himself.
Danny Welbeck - as above. Bit part player who was then sold. Never a first team regular.

Edited as above

Wes Brown made 232 appearances. How was he not a regular?
John O'Shea, first team regular for 7 seasons?

Wes was at United for 13 years following his debut. That stat suggests he played c17 games a season during a period where we had 38 PL, maybe 12 CL and 10 FA / League cup matches a season. If I'm honest. I think he played more games, but my point sort of stands. I guess I should've said "first choice player" like the Class of 92, rather than occasional but regular player

Ditto O'Shea. Never a true regular, more a jack of all trades to plug injury holes wherever they occurred.

[Zoon]

snorky782 said:

Wes was at United for 13 years following his debut. That stat suggests he played c17 games a season during a period where we had 38 PL, maybe 12 CL and 10 FA / League cup matches a season. If I'm honest. I think he played more games, but my point sort of stands. I guess I should've said "first choice player" like the Class of 92, rather than occasional but regular player

Ditto O'Shea. Never a true regular, more a jack of all trades to plug injury holes wherever they occurred.

Both played regular first team football. Regardless of whether they were first choice.

[snorky782]

Zoon said:

Both played regular first team football. Regardless of whether they were first choice.

Hence why I said this in bold:

snorky782 said:

Wes was at United for 13 years following his debut. That stat suggests he played c17 games a season during a period where we had 38 PL, maybe 12 CL and 10 FA / League cup matches a season. If I'm honest. I think he played more games, but my point sort of stands. I guess I should've said "first choice player" like the Class of 92, rather than occasional but regular player

Ditto O'Shea. Never a true regular, more a jack of all trades to plug injury holes wherever they occurred.

[London424]

snorky782 said:

Zoon said:

snorky782 said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Well that's easy.

Wes Brown - was not a first team regular
Darren Fletcher - agreed
John O'Shea - bit part player after his amazing first season.
Jonny Evans - didn't last long though was back up to Ferdinand and Vidic for most of his time and then sold within two seasons of having a chance to establish himself.
Danny Welbeck - as above. Bit part player who was then sold. Never a first team regular.

Edited as above

Wes Brown made 232 appearances. How was he not a regular?
John O'Shea, first team regular for 7 seasons?

Wes was at United for 13 years following his debut. That stat suggests he played c17 games a season during a period where we had 38 PL, maybe 12 CL and 10 FA / League cup matches a season. If I'm honest. I think he played more games, but my point sort of stands. I guess I should've said "first choice player" like the Class of 92, rather than occasional but regular player

Ditto O'Shea. Never a true regular, more a jack of all trades to plug injury holes wherever they occurred.

Where do you draw the line then because of the class of 92 you had
P Nev - 263 apps
N Butt - 270 apps
D Beckham - 265 apps

[Zoon]

Pogba having a medical!

[snorky782]

London424 said:

Where do you draw the line then because of the class of 92 you had
P Nev - 263 apps
N Butt - 270 apps
D Beckham - 265 apps

I know amd I've backed down to say the least. However, PNev and Nicky were bit part players and sold on too. Beckham was a first on the team sheet player, until Yoko got her had a on him and then it was out the door too.

My point was more that we occasionally produce a youth player who stays around a while, but in the main we don't. Our claimed youth policy is a joke, we simply produce young players and flog them on to a lesser club for £5m a time. We don't have a tradition of bringing youth through, we buy players either with realised potential for big money, or ones that can be great but haven't realised that potential yet amd our youth players cover the gaps when they appear short term.

[Zoon]

snorky782 said:

I know amd I've backed down to say the least. However, PNev and Nicky were bit part players and sold on too.

I don't buy that, they were sold when they were past their prime.
Beckham was sold because he thought he was above Ferguson.

[snorky782]

Zoon said:

snorky782 said:

I know amd I've backed down to say the least. However, PNev and Nicky were bit part players and sold on too.

I don't buy that, they were sold when they were past their prime.
Beckham was sold because he thought he was above Ferguson.

Neither was being used regularly and they were far from past their best when sold. Phil Neville couldn't oust Dennis Irwin to start with, then had a good few seasons, before being sold to Everton where he managed another 8 years, which is hardly a short time in football

Nicky Butt was Keano's stand in when he was injured primarlily.

I like both players and was sad to see the, leave, but they were not first choice players, which we should now be discussing, as I've admitted to being wrong about how I described the players.