The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]

[franki68]

Jose's analysis was right ,United weren't that bad...some of the players just were woeful at crucial times making poor mistakes.every Chelsea chance came from mistakes.
Shame the ref bottled it outrageous challenge from the muppet.But you can't win any game making so many mistAkes

Still think a lot of moyes and lvg signings need moving on.

[Big Raff]

franki68 said:

Jose's analysis was right ,United weren't that bad...some of the players just were woeful at crucial times making poor mistakes.every Chelsea chance came from mistakes.
Shame the ref bottled it outrageous challenge from the muppet.But you can't win any game making so many mistAkes

Still think a lot of moyes and lvg signings need moving on.

Its also at the other end though, Zlatan should have put us 1-0 up against Stoke in the first minute, 1-0 up vs Liverpool and equalised yesterday in the fifth minute or whatever. These should have been easy pickings for him - seeing as he appears undroppable. His turn and shot at the end was good though, another day that goes in.

I'm not looking forward to Wednesday

[bstb3]

Big Raff said:

Its also at the other end though, Zlatan should have put us 1-0 up against Stoke in the first minute, 1-0 up vs Liverpool and equalised yesterday in the fifth minute or whatever. These should have been easy pickings for him - seeing as he appears undroppable. His turn and shot at the end was good though, another day that goes in.

I'm not looking forward to Wednesday

It's a fair point - on the one hand you have to create chances to miss them, which is at least something. On the other though we have to be clinical, which is part of what he is meant to be providing... Would be good to see Rashford or Martial get a look in up front for a couple of games now, starting Wednesday - nothing really to lose by trying.

[franki68]

Big Raff said:

franki68 said:

Jose's analysis was right ,United weren't that bad...some of the players just were woeful at crucial times making poor mistakes.every Chelsea chance came from mistakes.
Shame the ref bottled it outrageous challenge from the muppet.But you can't win any game making so many mistAkes

Still think a lot of moyes and lvg signings need moving on.

Its also at the other end though, Zlatan should have put us 1-0 up against Stoke in the first minute, 1-0 up vs Liverpool and equalised yesterday in the fifth minute or whatever. These should have been easy pickings for him - seeing as he appears undroppable. His turn and shot at the end was good though, another day that goes in.

I'm not looking forward to Wednesday

Zlatans missed some massive opportunities in key games. Also looks very isolated in current system.

[Challo]

franki68 said:

Big Raff said:

franki68 said:

Jose's analysis was right ,United weren't that bad...some of the players just were woeful at crucial times making poor mistakes.every Chelsea chance came from mistakes.
Shame the ref bottled it outrageous challenge from the muppet.But you can't win any game making so many mistAkes

Still think a lot of moyes and lvg signings need moving on.

Its also at the other end though, Zlatan should have put us 1-0 up against Stoke in the first minute, 1-0 up vs Liverpool and equalised yesterday in the fifth minute or whatever. These should have been easy pickings for him - seeing as he appears undroppable. His turn and shot at the end was good though, another day that goes in.

I'm not looking forward to Wednesday

Zlatans missed some massive opportunities in key games. Also looks very isolated in current system.

Mid-week Pogba was alot closer to Zlatan, but this weekend seems not the case. I really like Herrea in midfield but not with Fellani. He has no mobility at all and others nothing with the ball. If we are going to have someone slow in midfield at least play Carrick who can play those attacking passes we lack at times.

[anniesdad]

Chelsea picked us apart at crucial moments in the game helped along the way by some comedy defending. You can point to moments in the game that might have made a difference (Luiz being one, Ibra's headed chance another) but fundamentally we are/were so far short of competing in that game. I'm not even sure where to start but there were some big reputation players on that pitch playing in red who simply weren't good enough on the day. We appear not to be able to break down the well organised defences, that's got to be improved.

We move on to Wednesday and I'm hoping for a good attacking performance.

[GT03ROB]

So many of the comments I see here could be the same comments we Chelsea lot were making last year. Big players not performing, individual mistakes, slow ponderous buildup, not enough pace, disorganized at the back, failure to breakdown organized defences.......

....during his spells at Chelsea except for his final year Jose was simply awesome, capable of delivering a tactical masterclass at will. He seemed to have it all. Something appears to have changed his magic has gone, his personality appears to have gone flat. He really doesn't seem to be enjoying things. The game is the worse for it.

If he doesn't get his mojo back soon I fear you Mancs are in for a long season & I doubt he will last it out.

[anniesdad]

And yet despite the doom and gloom we are 6 points off the top, it's nothing.

[GT03ROB]

anniesdad said:

And yet despite the doom and gloom we are 6 points off the top, it's nothing.

....& 6 points off a relegation dogfight

A few weeks back after we got turned over by the Arse, some had Conte on the way put. Now 1 pt off top. It's early days.

[bstb3]

GT03ROB said:

If he doesn't get his mojo back soon I fear you Mancs are in for a long season & I doubt he will last it out.

It would take a spectacular meltdown for the club to give him the boot, so unless he walks away he is here for at least 2 seasons. No real reason to think he would get longer than LVG did if things are looking the same at the end of next season (i.e no prospect of CL), but that's a very long time away.

I agree he doesn't look so happy though, but you can only imagine the sort of pressure he is under (and yes, he gets paid well for it but still can't be easy).

[anniesdad]

GT03ROB said:

anniesdad said:

And yet despite the doom and gloom we are 6 points off the top, it's nothing.

....& 6 points off a relegation dogfight

A few weeks back after we got turned over by the Arse, some had Conte on the way put. Now 1 pt off top. It's early days.

There you go. Any one of 7 or 8 teams could win the title as they're all taking points of each other.

[m3sye]

I remember him in his 1st stint at Chelsea he was a pleasure to listen to, since then he is awful, very morbid, always blaming others, where has the decent bloke gone?

Phil Jones obvioulsy not a fan http://www.90min.com/posts/3996041-manchester-unit...

[Nom de ploom]

weekend results have compressed the top half a bit - no need to panic yet - it was unlikely JM would turn the league also rans under LVG into world beaters over night.

the team is still gelling to a certain extent but one thing the premier league doesn't allow is time. if this is truly an investment in JM by united then it will take time. I think champs league is realistic, based on the first set of games, it has been a tough week but that is the reality. playing midweek and weekends will find teams out that sren't fit or mentally strong enough to take it.

I wonder what JMs strategy will be for the League cup - it was his first trophy in england which he used as a platform to boost chelsea to league winners (as well as a blank cheque book of course).

the bits I saw and heard united didn;t really deserve much more than they got which was nothing...you can't polish a turd of a performance like that. the worrying thing is losing to the teams that you're expected to be competing with and be around in the league.

[anniesdad]

City for all their "brilliance" haven't won in 5 games now...are they in crisis? The world of football is mad.

[anniesdad]

m3sye said:

I remember him in his 1st stint at Chelsea he was a pleasure to listen to, since then he is awful, very morbid, always blaming others, where has the decent bloke gone?

I think he polarised opinion like no other. He's learned some humility and is rather reserved at the minute. If his team gets it's swagger back he will too.

[m3sye]

anniesdad said:

I think he polarised opinion like no other. He's learned some humility and is rather reserved at the minute. If his team gets it's swagger back he will too.

His whispering in Conte's ear last night telling him not to start getting the crowd going at 4-0 and he should do that at 1-0 sounds a bit dummy out to me....

[anniesdad]

Is that what was said though as neither manager have confirmed what was actually said? In the end who cares? It's only column inches. The game was over.

[m3sye]

anniesdad said:

Is that what was said though as neither manager have confirmed what was actually said? In the end who cares? It's only column inches. The game was over.

According to sky italia..not sure if true, just heard it on talksport yesterday eve

http://www.football-italia.net/93354/conte-hits-ba...

Is this stat true

Mourinho's last 40 games only 7 wins?

[anniesdad]

m3sye said:

Is this stat true

Mourinho's last 40 games only 7 wins?

Not true.

He's managed United in 17 games to date and won 10 of them. 2 of those 10 were in friendlies.

Won 10
Lost 5
Drawn 2

59% win ratio.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 24th October 13:30

[m3sye]

anniesdad said:

Not true.

He's managed United in 17 games to date and won 10 of them. 2 of those 10 were in friendlies.

Won 10
Lost 5
Drawn 2

59% win ratio.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 24th October 13:30

Think it was a league stat...so Chelsea too by looks of it