The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
Discussion
curlie467 said:
Reading this it is all actually a little bit saddening isn't it!?
If FSG are just after making money and had a forecast then like you say, we don't really need to bang in performances on the pitch to get a certain league position.
Sad times for football really when we all crave for that bit of silverware or at least a shot at it.
The club will be worth far more if they were regular CL participants. Even ignoring the extra £40m+ of guaranteed income that CL qualification brings, if you're in the market to spend, what, £400m+ on a football club, you're probably not going to be very interested in EL clubs...If FSG are just after making money and had a forecast then like you say, we don't really need to bang in performances on the pitch to get a certain league position.
Sad times for football really when we all crave for that bit of silverware or at least a shot at it.
jammy_basturd said:
Does anyone have the table of prize/TV money broken down per league finishing position?
2014-15 Premier League Prize Money Table – ConfirmedNO# CLUB EQUAL SHARE MERIT BASED FACILITY FEE TOTAL
1 Chelsea £52.5m £24.7m £18.75m (24 matches) £95.95m
2 Man City £52.5m £23.5m £19.5m (25 matches) £95.5m
3 Arsenal £52.5m £22.2m £18.75m (25 matches) £93.45m
4 Manchester United £52.5m £21m £20.25m (26 matches) £93.75m
5 Tottenham £52.5m £19.8m £13.5m (18 matches) £85.8m
6 Liverpool £52.5m £18.5m £18.75m (25 matches) £89.75m
7 Southampton £52.5m £17.3m £9.75m (13 matches) £79.55m
8 Swansea City £52.5m £16.1m £9m (12 matches) £77.6m
9 Stoke City £52.5m £14.8m £7.5m (9 matches) £74.8m
10 Crystal Palace £52.5m £13.6m £8.25m (11 matches) £74.35m
11 Everton £52.5m £12.4m £12.75m (17 matches) £77.65m
12 West Ham £52.5m £11.1m £9.75m (13 matches) £73.35m
13 West Brom £52.5m £9.9m £7.5m (10 matches) £69.9m
14 Leicester City £52.5m £8.7m £7.5m (8 matches) £68.7m
15 Newcastle United £52.5m £7.4m £13.5m (18 matches) £75.65m
16 Sunderland £52.5m £6.2m £8.25m (11 matches) £66.95m
17 Aston Villa £52.5m £4.9m £8.25m (11 matches) £65.65m
18 Hull City £52.5m £3.7m £7.5m (7 matches) £63.7m
19 Burnley £52.5m £2.5m £7.5m (7 matches) £62.5m
20 QPR £52.5m £1.236m £8.25m (11 matches) £61.95m
Flip Martian said:
This is all "if...". FSG took a past it baseball team and made them successful, rejuvenated the stadium, etc etc. None of these things happen over night. That they don't DO knee jerk reactions in public is fine by me. They seem (business wise) a highly professional, no nonsense outfit. I'm sure they're considering their options, making discreet enquiries, and preparing in case they do remove BR. But they won't knee jerk remove BR overnight without the planned meetings and fact finding. No doubt in my mind that BR will have to prepare 1 hell of a case to get a chance to carry on.
Exactly. How RT can say that these owners are worse than the last shows just how petulant and rose-tinted he can be!TEKNOPUG said:
curlie467 said:
Reading this it is all actually a little bit saddening isn't it!?
If FSG are just after making money and had a forecast then like you say, we don't really need to bang in performances on the pitch to get a certain league position.
Sad times for football really when we all crave for that bit of silverware or at least a shot at it.
The club will be worth far more if they were regular CL participants. Even ignoring the extra £40m+ of guaranteed income that CL qualification brings, if you're in the market to spend, what, £400m+ on a football club, you're probably not going to be very interested in EL clubs...If FSG are just after making money and had a forecast then like you say, we don't really need to bang in performances on the pitch to get a certain league position.
Sad times for football really when we all crave for that bit of silverware or at least a shot at it.
No doubt about the increased wealth available to the clubs with the new tv deal - but its STILL far better to be top 4 - that's where the glamour and big prizes really are. And where the value of the club will really increase, with regular participation.
BR will surely only escape if FSG know why he refused to use the strikers available to him, for example. He might have been able to demonstrate, for example, that Borini was nowhere near the standard from his training and attitude behind closed doors. Same with Lambert. Or he might have been able to explain WHY he wouldn't play 2 up front. We don't know, ultimately.
And frankly, so many people seem to accept posts as fact that start "rumours are that...", when in reality it might just have been something someone made up. I know this is the interweb but don't treat rumours as fact and whip yourself into a lather over it.
BR will surely only escape if FSG know why he refused to use the strikers available to him, for example. He might have been able to demonstrate, for example, that Borini was nowhere near the standard from his training and attitude behind closed doors. Same with Lambert. Or he might have been able to explain WHY he wouldn't play 2 up front. We don't know, ultimately.
And frankly, so many people seem to accept posts as fact that start "rumours are that...", when in reality it might just have been something someone made up. I know this is the interweb but don't treat rumours as fact and whip yourself into a lather over it.
Ultimately BR staying in his job will come down to money.
It's going to cost £17m to pay him off, then probably a bit extra to sell players the new manager doesn't want and buy players the new manager does want.
Do the decision is, will sacking BR and spending £20-40m bring in £50m of value to the club over the next 3 years, over and above what FSG think BR can achieve.
It's going to cost £17m to pay him off, then probably a bit extra to sell players the new manager doesn't want and buy players the new manager does want.
Do the decision is, will sacking BR and spending £20-40m bring in £50m of value to the club over the next 3 years, over and above what FSG think BR can achieve.
I think he has to be judged by Christmas, with half a season of a decent squad and enough proper strikers. We need to be in the top 4 (or at least 5/6 and close to the top 4) by then and still competing in Europe.
Whether they would have the balls to sack him mid-season if we are doing badly who knows.
With a couple of decent managers taking 6 and 12 months off, that has to be considered in their thinking as well
Whether they would have the balls to sack him mid-season if we are doing badly who knows.
With a couple of decent managers taking 6 and 12 months off, that has to be considered in their thinking as well
SydneyBridge said:
I think he has to be judged by Christmas, with half a season of a decent squad and enough proper strikers. We need to be in the top 4 (or at least 5/6 and close to the top 4) by then and still competing in Europe.
Whether they would have the balls to sack him mid-season if we are doing badly who knows.
With a couple of decent managers taking 6 and 12 months off, that has to be considered in their thinking as well
They sacked Hodgson quite quickly, so I think they would.Whether they would have the balls to sack him mid-season if we are doing badly who knows.
With a couple of decent managers taking 6 and 12 months off, that has to be considered in their thinking as well
I worry at our ability to actually get the signings we need this summer. I hope I'm wrong.
curlie467 said:
f
king hell girls, I did but 'IF'!
Why do we all feel the need to jump down each others throats all the bloody time.
Sometimes, just sometimes, things read a little differently to how the poster intended or how they meant it.
Your last sentence is very relevant matey - no jumping here. Peace and hippy crap, and all that king hell girls, I did but 'IF'!Why do we all feel the need to jump down each others throats all the bloody time.
Sometimes, just sometimes, things read a little differently to how the poster intended or how they meant it.
Flip Martian said:
curlie467 said:
m3sye said:
I think this season will tell us if FSG really are that interested in breaking into the top 4 - we don't have to get in there anymore to make the revenue they probably foretasted when they bought the club. I think you can finish bottom now and earn more than the champions league winners of 2 years ago... so finish 5th 6th, get stadium done then potentially sell ?? if that is there plan then there is no way they will sack BR. The TV money is now that high that it doesn't matter if you win or get top 4 we can still out bid (if we wanted too) any other none Billionaire backed club. (except Barca/Madrid).
You look at Ashley at Newcastle - if he really doesn't care about finishing 5th 6th why bother spending - he gets 100m for finishing 16th - you don't have to be successful anymore to earn mega money .
Reading this it is all actually a little bit saddening isn't it!?You look at Ashley at Newcastle - if he really doesn't care about finishing 5th 6th why bother spending - he gets 100m for finishing 16th - you don't have to be successful anymore to earn mega money .
If FSG are just after making money and had a forecast then like you say, we don't really need to bang in performances on the pitch to get a certain league position.
Sad times for football really when we all crave for that bit of silverware or at least a shot at it.
TEKNOPUG said:
The club will be worth far more if they were regular CL participants. Even ignoring the extra £40m+ of guaranteed income that CL qualification brings, if you're in the market to spend, what, £400m+ on a football club, you're probably not going to be very interested in EL clubs...
Not really correct - if they think they will make more money from EPL than other leagues then buyers will look at EPL clubs. With the way the deals keep getting better and better there is the argument to be made that the EPL would be the place to put your money. It's like shares - an expensive business but that is well run and keeps doing well often can be better than a company that has dropped a lot of value, as if it's badly run then it's often likely to keep going down. TTmonkey said:
Yes we've had a season to forget. But then again not one Everton fan was talking of us being champions this year, or winning in Europe. We just failed to live up to our expectations of 6 or 7th place. Liverpool on the other hand have finished 6th, which is probably higher than you deserved and well lower than expectations. Your run in looks like the team is purposefully trying to get the manager sacked,
Anything in that? Has he lost the team?
I think most people said top 4 and good cup runs would be good enough this season. No one expected us to do the same as last year. Just check on the posts made last summer.Anything in that? Has he lost the team?
I can see BR's future being made on small details behind doors. If he did argue for different strikers and got told no then he may be safe. If he asked for a lot of the players we bought then he's probably gone. I disagree with comparisons to Hodgson and "as long as we don't lose". The problem with the first part of the season was we were too attacking but without a final product so we lost a lot of games. Perhaps one of Rodgers biggest problems is changing the style of the team to be more defensive. He hasn't got it right when we have needed to become that way for this season as we didn't have / he didn't believe we could use the strikers available. He did get it for a while with the good run (in results, not performances) but then that was worked out.
If we don't buy a few good strikers who suite our pressing fast way of playing that Rodgers prefers then he should go in summer. He doesn't seem to have the flexibility to get the selection/ setup right when we cannot play that way due to player availability. However if we can get a few good players up front I think we could stick by him, assuming the players haven't completely given up on him (again something FSG would need to find out, not that we would know). Origi should probably be loaned out to an EPL club to see how he does here first. Who knows, perhaps we get lucky in that he did badly in France because he would be better suited to the EPL?!?! (Maybe a bit hopeful here)!
So has Wisdom - so they have obvious plans for him to be RB or cover for RB
Also back to my point yes course you earn more money for being the champs league, like you say 40m - but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than that to break the top at the moment - so if you are a business man - do you have too? if you are earning so much more with the new TV money ?
Also back to my point yes course you earn more money for being the champs league, like you say 40m - but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than that to break the top at the moment - so if you are a business man - do you have too? if you are earning so much more with the new TV money ?
Edited by m3sye on Tuesday 26th May 18:34
m3sye said:
So has Wisdom - so they have obvious plans for him to be RB or cover for RB
Also back to my point yes course you earn more money for being the champs league, like you say 40m - but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than that to break the top at the moment - so if you are a business man - do you have too? if you are earning so much more with the new TV money ?
There is also the extras of potentially bigger fan base if you're regularly competing for the title (or stopping your fan base getting smaller if you disappear from being a big club), bigger media presence as you're on TV for big European games so can charge more for advertising, etc etc. So it depends on what the owners view in the risk versus reward.Also back to my point yes course you earn more money for being the champs league, like you say 40m - but it will cost you a heck of a lot more than that to break the top at the moment - so if you are a business man - do you have too? if you are earning so much more with the new TV money ?
Edited by m3sye on Tuesday 26th May 18:34
This is very depressing, you know when you were younger and your dad was deliberating over keeping his Austin Princess or getting a Jag and you prayed every night for that Jag, you wanted it so much your life would be complete and meaningful, how you could strut about knowing your dad wasnt a knob and was a cool dad.
I feel like that now, FSG are my dad, Brendans an Austin Princess and Carlo is my Jag
I feel like that now, FSG are my dad, Brendans an Austin Princess and Carlo is my Jag
NRS said:
There is also the extras of potentially bigger fan base if you're regularly competing for the title (or stopping your fan base getting smaller if you disappear from being a big club), bigger media presence as you're on TV for big European games so can charge more for advertising, etc etc. So it depends on what the owners view in the risk versus reward.
exactly so we will soon find out 5th 6th with the odd cup run and potential win might be enough for them - they will still earn very good money from now on just doing that
DSLiverpool said:
This is very depressing, you know when you were younger and your dad was deliberating over keeping his Austin Princess or getting a Jag and you prayed every night for that Jag, you wanted it so much your life would be complete and meaningful, how you could strut about knowing your dad wasnt a knob and was a cool dad.
I feel like that now, FSG are my dad, Brendans an Austin Princess and Carlo is my Jag
Carlo is a Jag about to go into car hospital for a big service. Not an option.I feel like that now, FSG are my dad, Brendans an Austin Princess and Carlo is my Jag
m3sye said:
exactly so we will soon find out
5th 6th with the odd cup run and potential win might be enough for them - they will still earn very good money from now on just doing that
Except they don't strike me as the kind of company that like to be associated with being also rans. Far more kudos to be owning successful clubs. Prudence doesn't mean "lack of ambition" necessarily. My take on it anyway.5th 6th with the odd cup run and potential win might be enough for them - they will still earn very good money from now on just doing that
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