The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]

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Cie

18,752 posts

192 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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jammy_basturd said:
Maybe there are exceptional circumstances, like drugs showing up in a medical (though, even then, say it was Messi we were about to sign, I'm sure the medical would miraculously be "rearranged").

There are a number of players with known heart defects, and even more that have had injuries when signed - Carroll had a FUBAR knee when we signed him for instance!
Too be fair there was a lot about the Carroll transfer that was FUBAR. From the transfer fee to his hair.

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFF1D7x6pKg - Raheem Sterling sings Billionaire feat Aidy Ward!

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/188065...

Milner pretty much in this interview confirming what I said about playing centrally RT

NRS

22,079 posts

200 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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m3sye said:
paulrockliffe said:
Signed another kid from Arsenal apparently.
Edited for you wink

http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/07/06/liverpool...
I can't imagine him getting teased about his last name at school, no way!

m3sye said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFF1D7x6pKg - Raheem Sterling sings Billionaire feat Aidy Ward!
laugh

BlackST

9,079 posts

164 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Milner thinks he will play in CM but Gerrard retired from playing for England to prolong his career with us only to then get managed out the side.
Nothing is guaranteed in football.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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m3sye said:
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/188065...

Milner pretty much in this interview confirming what I said about playing centrally RT
And then I think the Guardian article that says a partnership of Milner and Henderson is suitable as the 3 of a central midfield with Lucas behind or Coutinho in front is destined to fail.

With Lucas behind the front 3 is likely to have to be picked from Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Sturridge, Ings, Origi and maybe Mario and/or Benteke. We just won't be leaving players like Firmino or Benteke on the bench in a starting 11 if we spend 60 million on them.

With a 3 man midfield of Milner, Henderson and Coutinho I think we'll just get overrun.

If Milner plays central midfield I think in time Mr Rodgers will work out that to get the best out of our squad it's either Milner or Henderson and not both.

Harbuzi

328 posts

179 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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As was discussed at the time ,Milner was clearly told he was going to play centrally, which is why he left a team in the Champions League who have won the title twice recently, who wanted him stay and offered him a lot of money to do so, but wouldn't play him in his desired position!!

Now - I accept nothing is guaranteed in football and if we get injuries, suspensions etc he is Mr Versatile so that may see him moved.

If that does happen - I hope we don't end up with an unhappy player!

Edited by Harbuzi on Monday 6th July 21:00

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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If the rumours are true that we're possibly trying for Jovetic instead of Benteke are true, then it shows how bizarre our transfer policy is. 2 very different types of strikers with very little in common. Oh and isn't Jovetic also injured more than Sturridge?

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
If the rumours are true that we're possibly trying for Jovetic instead of Benteke are true, then it shows how bizarre our transfer policy is. 2 very different types of strikers with very little in common. Oh and isn't Jovetic also injured more than Sturridge?
Where you heard this?

Echo reporting it in their 'rumours section - from Corriere dello Sport.

Really not worth commenting at the moment never mind the attempted put down of our 'bizarre transfer policy' based on a rumour?? that is more bizarre

Benteke - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/li...
Edited by m3sye on Monday 6th July 22:25


Edited by m3sye on Monday 6th July 22:27

jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Exactly Sye, today I read we're hoping to sign Moussa Sissohko for less than £10m as a replacement for Gerrard!

Pommygranite

14,229 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
If the rumours are true that we're possibly trying for Jovetic instead of Benteke are true, then it shows how bizarre our transfer policy is. 2 very different types of strikers with very little in common. Oh and isn't Jovetic also injured more than Sturridge?
How about waiting and seeing what happens before using a rumour to prove a point.


RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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'If' and 'rumour' was used in that post. I'm sure it was. Others post rumours, I'm sure you can easily find one, maybe even one of you have done so...

As for proving a point towards our transfer policy as bizarre. We've spent another 30 million on another attacking midfielder after spending 25 million on one last year. We spent 25 million on a left sided central defender after only 1/2 a season earlier spending 20 million on a left sided central defender. We also spent 16 million on a striker who plays a certain way to try and get him to play a different way and we spent another 20 million on a winger/attacking midfielder that we played as a wing back. And that's not a German lad that's played really well in a recent tournament in central midfield that we put out at right back. I think bizarre is apt of the last 2 summers regardless of whether we sign Jovetic or not.

Edited by RedTrident on Tuesday 7th July 01:39

revrange

1,182 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
And then I think the Guardian article that says a partnership of Milner and Henderson is suitable as the 3 of a central midfield with Lucas behind or Coutinho in front is destined to fail.

With Lucas behind the front 3 is likely to have to be picked from Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Sturridge, Ings, Origi and maybe Mario and/or Benteke. We just won't be leaving players like Firmino or Benteke on the bench in a starting 11 if we spend 60 million on them.

With a 3 man midfield of Milner, Henderson and Coutinho I think we'll just get overrun.

If Milner plays central midfield I think in time Mr Rodgers will work out that to get the best out of our squad it's either Milner or Henderson and not both.
I disagree, Lucas Milner and henderson is a great midfield in a 4-3-3, why, because of work rate. They will work their socks off allowing the front 3 to concentrate on attack

Both Milner and Henderson have good engines so will be able to join attack and get back to defend.

What i will give you, is its a midfield that will lack Alonso style passing which could be a problem.


Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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revrange said:
I disagree, Lucas Milner and henderson is a great midfield in a 4-3-3, why, because of work rate. They will work their socks off allowing the front 3 to concentrate on attack

Both Milner and Henderson have good engines so will be able to join attack and get back to defend.

What i will give you, is its a midfield that will lack Alonso style passing which could be a problem.
Do you not think that Mr Rodgers has just too many players to pick from & is uncertain of how best to utilise his talented squad for the best ?


It certainly looks this way from the outside looking in.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly. With a 3 man midfield of Lucas (even Can), Milner and Henderson the problem isn't the midfield, its who is left on the bench in the front 3.

If we play a diamond we have a choice of only 1 of Lazer, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana in the hole. With 2 strikers up front from Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Mario and maybe Benteke

If we play with a front 3 we have a choice 9 players. I just can't see us leaving so much talent on the bench. It doesn't make sense. Both Coutinho and Firmino will start. I'm certain. If we buy Benteke he'll start too, as will Sturridge when fit. I think it is likely that Coutinho will take a central midfield position with 2 midfielder behind him and then a front 3.

We won't be playing with a midfield 3 of Lucas, Milner and Henderson not because those 3 in midfield won't be good enough. Rather because of how it leaves too many other attacking midfielders and strikers on the bench.

The team is lopsided with a shortage of a defensive midfielder, too many attacking midfielders and perhaps 1 too many strikers. Maybe we'll flog Lallana or moneyball style cash in on Coutinho. Mario might also leave yet.

kentlad

1,073 posts

182 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
Maybe we'll flog Lallana or moneyball style cash in on Coutinho. Mario might also leave yet.
I really hope you're wrong about Coutinho, we should be building a team around him. Not looking to cash in. Would also like to keep Lallana, feel like his best is yet to come. Mario can go, in fact if i were FSG i'd be looking to loan him out or better yet just admit defeat and sell him. If anyone would take him that is.

T3LLIOTT

361 posts

164 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly. With a 3 man midfield of Lucas (even Can), Milner and Henderson the problem isn't the midfield, its who is left on the bench in the front 3.

If we play a diamond we have a choice of only 1 of Lazer, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana in the hole. With 2 strikers up front from Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Mario and maybe Benteke

If we play with a front 3 we have a choice 9 players. I just can't see us leaving so much talent on the bench. It doesn't make sense. Both Coutinho and Firmino will start. I'm certain. If we buy Benteke he'll start too, as will Sturridge when fit. I think it is likely that Coutinho will take a central midfield position with 2 midfielder behind him and then a front 3.

We won't be playing with a midfield 3 of Lucas, Milner and Henderson not because those 3 in midfield won't be good enough. Rather because of how it leaves too many other attacking midfielders and strikers on the bench.

The team is lopsided with a shortage of a defensive midfielder, too many attacking midfielders and perhaps 1 too many strikers. Maybe we'll flog Lallana or moneyball style cash in on Coutinho. Mario might also leave yet.
If we play a diamond, in my opinion this is our strongest 11 and how I think we'll line-up:

Mignolet
Clyne - Skrtyl - Sakho - Moreno
Can
Milner - Henderson
Coutinho
Firmino - Sturridge

Pommygranite

14,229 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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T3LLIOTT said:
RedTrident said:
Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly. With a 3 man midfield of Lucas (even Can), Milner and Henderson the problem isn't the midfield, its who is left on the bench in the front 3.

If we play a diamond we have a choice of only 1 of Lazer, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana in the hole. With 2 strikers up front from Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Mario and maybe Benteke

If we play with a front 3 we have a choice 9 players. I just can't see us leaving so much talent on the bench. It doesn't make sense. Both Coutinho and Firmino will start. I'm certain. If we buy Benteke he'll start too, as will Sturridge when fit. I think it is likely that Coutinho will take a central midfield position with 2 midfielder behind him and then a front 3.

We won't be playing with a midfield 3 of Lucas, Milner and Henderson not because those 3 in midfield won't be good enough. Rather because of how it leaves too many other attacking midfielders and strikers on the bench.

The team is lopsided with a shortage of a defensive midfielder, too many attacking midfielders and perhaps 1 too many strikers. Maybe we'll flog Lallana or moneyball style cash in on Coutinho. Mario might also leave yet.
If we play a diamond, in my opinion this is our strongest 11 and how I think we'll line-up:

Mignolet
Clyne - Skrtyl - Sakho - Moreno
Can
Milner - Henderson
Coutinho
Firmino - Sturridge
That's a pretty strong line up.


jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Black can man said:
Do you not think that Mr Rodgers has just too many players to pick from & is uncertain of how best to utilise his talented squad for the best ?


It certainly looks this way from the outside looking in.
This has to be trolling - there is no possible way you could suggest such a thing before a ball has even been kicked?!

jammy_basturd

29,776 posts

211 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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RedTrident said:
Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly. With a 3 man midfield of Lucas (even Can), Milner and Henderson the problem isn't the midfield, its who is left on the bench in the front 3.

If we play a diamond we have a choice of only 1 of Lazer, Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana in the hole. With 2 strikers up front from Origi, Ings, Sturridge, Mario and maybe Benteke

If we play with a front 3 we have a choice 9 players. I just can't see us leaving so much talent on the bench. It doesn't make sense. Both Coutinho and Firmino will start. I'm certain. If we buy Benteke he'll start too, as will Sturridge when fit. I think it is likely that Coutinho will take a central midfield position with 2 midfielder behind him and then a front 3.

We won't be playing with a midfield 3 of Lucas, Milner and Henderson not because those 3 in midfield won't be good enough. Rather because of how it leaves too many other attacking midfielders and strikers on the bench.

The team is lopsided with a shortage of a defensive midfielder, too many attacking midfielders and perhaps 1 too many strikers. Maybe we'll flog Lallana or moneyball style cash in on Coutinho. Mario might also leave yet.
Forget about Mario, he's next seasons Borini (speaking of whom, caused a move to Lazio to collapse after apparently saying he wants to stay in the UK).

It also wouldn't surprise me if we let Lazer go out on loan.

So, with a 4-3-3, with Milner, Can/Lucas and Henderson in the middle and Coutinho, Firmino and Sturridge/Benteke up front, it leaves the following on the bench/out the team: Lallana, Origi, Lucas/Can, Ings, Ibe, Allen, Sturridge/Benteke(though I think we'll have one striker out injured 99% of the season).

What a wonderfully strong bench that is, for a change.
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