The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
Discussion
Flip Martian said:
Most clubs scout over a long period and waste s
tloads of money on watching them, writing reports etc...there's no guarantee the player will want to sign for what we offer. He might be a total breadhead and gone for the money, he might just want to play for Van Gaal. That's hardly the major negative you seem to think Liverpool are guilty of. Its just football, hardly worth getting upset about. We are where we are. It would have been a bit of a coup to get him. We didn't. We move on.
My point is how much time we waste on players - are we making players our 1st target when its quite obvious to anyone else the other clubs looking will get them? tloads of money on watching them, writing reports etc...there's no guarantee the player will want to sign for what we offer. He might be a total breadhead and gone for the money, he might just want to play for Van Gaal. That's hardly the major negative you seem to think Liverpool are guilty of. Its just football, hardly worth getting upset about. We are where we are. It would have been a bit of a coup to get him. We didn't. We move on.Mkhitaryan
Willian
Sanchez
Salah
Depay
etc etc
m3sye said:
My point is how much time we waste on players - are we making players our 1st target when its quite obvious to anyone else the other clubs looking will get them?
Mkhitaryan
Willian
Sanchez
Salah
Depay
etc etc
But if you follow that logic we would never get anyone other than the dregs. They must know there's less likelihood of getting their first choice if that player is much coveted, I agree - but they still need to go for them, surely? Mkhitaryan
Willian
Sanchez
Salah
Depay
etc etc
Mind you, look at Willian - he was also coveted by Spurs, only to be gazumped by Chelsea late in the day. Its not unique to Liverpool, that's my point - most ambitious clubs will be wanting the best players. Most will miss out on their first choices I suspect.
Our problem is that we're (rightly) trying to sign CL quality players when we're not a CL team. Players know we're not a CL team, so we need to offer them something extra. However can't offer anything that any of our competitors can't offer, not higher wages, transfer/agent fees, training facilities, coaching, lifestyle.
The only small nugget of advantage we have over the top four teams is that if you're truly a great player, you'll be guaranteed playing time with us, where as you might get stuck on the bench sometimes with one of the top four.
The only small nugget of advantage we have over the top four teams is that if you're truly a great player, you'll be guaranteed playing time with us, where as you might get stuck on the bench sometimes with one of the top four.
jammy_basturd said:
Our problem is that we're (rightly) trying to sign CL quality players when we're not a CL team. Players know we're not a CL team, so we need to offer them something extra. However can't offer anything that any of our competitors can't offer, not higher wages, transfer/agent fees, training facilities, coaching, lifestyle.
The only small nugget of advantage we have over the top four teams is that if you're truly a great player, you'll be guaranteed playing time with us, where as you might get stuck on the bench sometimes with one of the top four.
And that applies to any of the top ten teams in the Prem.The only small nugget of advantage we have over the top four teams is that if you're truly a great player, you'll be guaranteed playing time with us, where as you might get stuck on the bench sometimes with one of the top four.
mickk said:
And that applies to any of the top ten teams in the Prem.
Exactly - however, Liverpool fans mostly believe that top 4 is our rightful place (especially us older ones, I suppose) so feel it more when we don't attract the best players. Southampton, West Ham, Spurs, etc - with no disrespect at all - don't have that history leading to that sense of entitlement.HOWEVER, the truth is, that Liverpool is probably not much more attractive to many of today's younger players than Southampton, Spurs etc...
Whilst not one to normally give you guys solace I wouldn't beat yourselves up about Memphis, it wasn't a fair fight. LvG gave him his break in the national team, helped him with some discipline issues. A Dutch journalist wrote in a book that Memphis would have VanGaal on his shirt if he could.
So its not like we beat you in a straight up battle, he was always coming to Utd unless we didn't want him.
So its not like we beat you in a straight up battle, he was always coming to Utd unless we didn't want him.
mickk said:
And that applies to any of the top ten teams in the Prem.
Not sure I agree.The top four are in their own league. In my opinion, when a footballer chooses a new club they have the following priorities:
1) Chance of silverware
1) Money
2) Manager and current team
3) Location/lifestyle
So there is Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs who will always get first pick in this country as they can offer the best package. I put Arsenal just outside of this group as their recent history of silverware is poor and they don't offer the best wages.
After that I think there is only a few clubs that realistically try and recruit CL quality players, Liverpool, Spurs, maybe Everton (but only recently with Eto'o and Lukaku). I wouldn't include Southampton in this group as I think they actively try to not sign CL quality players, probably because they know the competition is too fierce and they'd be wasting their time.
After that, everyone is just scrambling around for the crumbs.
m3sye said:
...rumours are LFC leaked the story about Depay after the villa game...
Rumours? That yank ex FSG guy was talking about it several weeks ago on Twitter. He has a whole load of LFC followers clearly, from some of his comments. The story was out there - but the story wasn't that he was coming; just that we were after him. Just as we're after several other players. Trouble is, 1 person on a web forum says "rumours are that..." and all of a sudden, people read it as a fact, when it isn't, necessarily. I'm not suggesting you have made it up btw - but some people who say "rumours are that..." have just made something up because they believe it's probably the case.
m3sye said:
Totally agree Keyser - my issue is , surely LFC knew this too , rumours are LFC leaked the story about Depay after the villa game - try get the fans attention on a BIG signing and take away the ste that was our effort in the semi final
Nah you have to have a crack I think and it was fair that you did. Depay has been the main man for PSV the last 2 seasons, he is taking a risk at Utd that he will fulfil his potential and become a mainstay for us. You could easily have said to him that you guarantee first team football and that may have turned his head. Also there was always the chance that as much as he rates LvG and vice versa he wasn't a fit at Utd.te that was our effort in the semi finalSo I can understand the approach, PSG also entertained him in an attempt to lure him.
Flip Martian said:
Rumours? That yank ex FSG guy was talking about it several weeks ago on Twitter. He has a whole load of LFC followers clearly, from some of his comments. The story was out there - but the story wasn't that he was coming; just that we were after him. Just as we're after several other players.
Trouble is, 1 person on a web forum says "rumours are that..." and all of a sudden, people read it as a fact, when it isn't, necessarily. I'm not suggesting you have made it up btw - but some people who say "rumours are that..." have just made something up because they believe it's probably the case.
The rumours I mean - are the stories leaked to people like James Pearce - they come from within the club - they are not internet rumours - I would not believe for one second that LFC or any other club for that matter do not utilise these contacts for there benefit as they do.Trouble is, 1 person on a web forum says "rumours are that..." and all of a sudden, people read it as a fact, when it isn't, necessarily. I'm not suggesting you have made it up btw - but some people who say "rumours are that..." have just made something up because they believe it's probably the case.
m3sye said:
Question we all have to ask ourselves is BR a big enough name to sign these big players? I cannot remember a time we have ever lost out on so many of our 1st choices
I would think (as mentioned in a previous reply too) that it's related to the long time out of CL football. Beneitez was the last manager to have that "safe" before Man City swapped with us to become the 4th big club in terms of money (and therefore average CL football). Since 2008/2009 we have come 2nd, 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th and 2nd. Then add this year probably around 5th/6th. So of course we can't really get the CL players in most situations. We'd need a new big spending strategy to be able to get players considering it. That said, I do think the current bosses are doing well in the way they are going about it sustainably. Improve the stadium (finally) so we can better compete with financial fair play etc.Adam B said:
NRS said:
If we get a decent striker and perhaps another decent player then top 3. If we have the same lot of players and a few new potentials who don't add anything (Origi?) then it's going to be another long season.
Reality check - if we get a decent striker we will almost have as good a side as MC/Chavs/Arse/MU so I reckon we would be 5th, maybe 4th if one of them has a poor start, 7-8th if we doNRS said:
Adam B said:
NRS said:
If we get a decent striker and perhaps another decent player then top 3. If we have the same lot of players and a few new potentials who don't add anything (Origi?) then it's going to be another long season.
Reality check - if we get a decent striker we will almost have as good a side as MC/Chavs/Arse/MU so I reckon we would be 5th, maybe 4th if one of them has a poor start, 7-8th if we dom3sye said:
Liverpool Echo said:
Memphis Depay’s name will sit alongside those of Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Diego Costa, Willian. Mohamed Salah, Yevhen Konoplyanka and Alexis Sanchez in the list of high-profile Liverpool FC transfer targets who have got away in recent years.
'Nuff said. Recall Aspas and stick him up front with Origi. Sorted.
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