The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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jammy_basturd said:
I'm still not sure how taking a body out of midfield and adding them to the front line is supposed to help us be less susceptible to counter-attacks?
This - this is my point. Well said.our defensive frailties lay with a poorly set up defensive system not a lack of front line punch.
Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
I'm still not sure how taking a body out of midfield and adding them to the front line is supposed to help us be less susceptible to counter-attacks?
This - this is my point. Well said.our defensive frailties lay with a poorly set up defensive system not a lack of front line punch.
jammy_basturd said:
Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
I'm still not sure how taking a body out of midfield and adding them to the front line is supposed to help us be less susceptible to counter-attacks?
This - this is my point. Well said.our defensive frailties lay with a poorly set up defensive system not a lack of front line punch.
We have a good enough team and attacking structure though with Firminho, Coutinho and Benteke together that our pressing issues lay elsewhere.
Personally I don't think our problem was so much our tactics on Saturday against West Ham more that some of our players played f
king badly.Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
I'm still not sure how taking a body out of midfield and adding them to the front line is supposed to help us be less susceptible to counter-attacks?
This - this is my point. Well said.our defensive frailties lay with a poorly set up defensive system not a lack of front line punch.
If Mr Rodgers plays one of these 2 systems with this set of players I'm certain that we will see us score more goals and defend better. I'm certain of it.
We know Sturridge when fit will walk back into the team and that we're not going to drop Benteke. I would start playing a system that makes it easier to introduce Sturridge into a well oiled system rather than change the system once he's back. We should be playing Ings next to Benteke right now imo.
Mignolet
Clyne Skrtel Sakho Moreno/Gomez
Lucas/Milner Henderson
Milner/Coutinho
Sturridge Benteke Firmino/Coutinho
Mignolet
Clyne Skrtel Sakho Moreno/Gomez
Milner Lucas Henderson
Coutinho
Sturridge Benteke
Mr Rodgers and Milner in their post match interviews both spoke about how difficult it got once we were one down. We were one down in minutes and yesterday won't be the first or last time that a team comes to Anfield and sets up to defend and counter. We need to score more goals and playing one not very mobile sticker up front on his own is costing us.
Our best football last season was with Sterling as a make shift striker, he had pace and mobility even though he wasn't a striker.
And none of this is just a response to the loss yesterday. It's an observation based upon most of last season and in spite of the 7 points we have, one that is just as valid from the 4 games so far this season.
Hopefully the international break helps Mr Rodgers step back and reflect on what has happened so far. The stadium was emptying well before their 3rd goal, this was only our 2nd home game, the match going fan base will turn on him if defeats like this continue.
RedTrident said:
If Mr Rodgers plays one of these 2 systems with this set of players I'm certain that we will see us score more goals and defend better. I'm certain of it.
Didn't we try playing both those two systems at times last season? Not withstanding the fact that our football this season hasn't been too great, but I'd don't think any of the football we played last season was any good.
We generally played two up front with Sturridge didn't we? The only decent game I remember was the Tottenham game, even then I think we struggled.
I'm not saying that two up front wouldn't improve us - I just don't think it was the problem yesterday. It seems our problems are greater than just tactics or formation, or maybe a bit of both. But even so, you wouldn't expect the team just to implode every now and then like we have against Stoke and WHam!
I'm not saying that two up front wouldn't improve us - I just don't think it was the problem yesterday. It seems our problems are greater than just tactics or formation, or maybe a bit of both. But even so, you wouldn't expect the team just to implode every now and then like we have against Stoke and WHam!
jammy_basturd said:
We generally played two up front with Sturridge didn't we? The only decent game I remember was the Tottenham game, even then I think we struggled.
He featured in maybe a dozen league games last season including sub appearances. The majority of our games since Suarez left has been playing either one striker or a winger up front.The Spurs game I remember well. Had me thinking that Mario and Sturridge would make a exciting partnership. I'm confident that a Sturridge and Benteke partnership will also win us games and get the best out of Benteke. Rumour is that Sturridge might make the squad for the Utd game, finders crossed.
If we're going to play with a mobile front 3 with 2 attacking midfielders in this set up then the striker has to be mobile imo. That has us picking Sturridge, Ings and possibly even Origi ahead of Benteke.
Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
I'm still not sure how taking a body out of midfield and adding them to the front line is supposed to help us be less susceptible to counter-attacks?
This - this is my point. Well said.our defensive frailties lay with a poorly set up defensive system not a lack of front line punch.
We have a good enough team and attacking structure though with Firminho, Coutinho and Benteke together that our pressing issues lay elsewhere.
Personally I don't think our problem was so much our tactics on Saturday against West Ham more that some of our players played f
king badly.That said, I do wonder more these days if Rodgers is the right person to take us forward. He has done very well in the past (and I don't think it was just Saurez) but the players and systems just haven't really worked for more than a year. I think there is too many similar players/ players that are just not fitting in right. I'm not going to claim I know the solution, but perhaps there are too many "flair" players which results in us giving away the ball more and so not having enough players who can keep position and let the flair players do well when they can. Maybe it's just not having the right strikers to let the players behind do well. Maybe it's just too many new players that result in the team not settling. Maybe it's too many young players who are just not consistent enough/ don't have enough experience beside them to settle them. Not sure. But it just doesn't seem to be really going anywhere, even if we have some ok results (start of this season, part of last season) the performances are not great.
I am beginning to wonder if Rodgers weakest thing is buying players who really improve the team, rather than players who in their own right play nice technical football.
The way to play 3 up front is that if you attack down the right the right forward drops into midfield on that side as an extra midfielder. The centre forward moves across towards the right and the left forward becomes the second striker by moving across. It is two up front if it's played right, but it gives more flexibility and requires a higher work-rate.
Problem yesterday was that that didn't really happen and often we were left with just 1 up front. But that was coupled with Milner covering all of the pitch and forcing others out of position. The wide defenders should have been overlapping more often, forcing Milner to stay in the middle.
I'm not picking on Milner, half of that was him moving into space that others should have been in. Problem was a general lack of cohesion playing what is a complicated formation
Problem yesterday was that that didn't really happen and often we were left with just 1 up front. But that was coupled with Milner covering all of the pitch and forcing others out of position. The wide defenders should have been overlapping more often, forcing Milner to stay in the middle.
I'm not picking on Milner, half of that was him moving into space that others should have been in. Problem was a general lack of cohesion playing what is a complicated formation
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