The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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curlie467 said:
Lotus E300S said:
Big one next, only game I can be arsed watching these days,
I also believe that there are less 'easy to beat' teams in the prem than ever before.. Ask Man U re Newcastle / Swansea, ask Arsenal re West ham and don't even go there with Chelsea.. The days of a 'nice easy 3 points' sadly are over, I can see a lot of so called 'smaller teams' giving the big boys a few bloody noses this season for sure.. I honestly believe our 'lazy shower of overpaid underachievers' thought that all they had to do yesterday was show up and the 3 points would be handed to them on a plate.. They need to wake up and smell the roses.. After last seasons atrocity, they should be playing every single game as as though their lives depend on it, Hopefully yesterdays result sent a very cold chill right through Anfield from the bottom right up to the top, Its not about panicking or over-reacting but more a case of making every single player and of course the manager aware that yesterday had better be a one off.. And boy they had better turn up and hit the ground sprinting in the Man U game or face the Wrath.
mr sagman said:
I also believe that there are less 'easy to beat' teams in the prem than ever before.. Ask Man U re Newcastle / Swansea, ask Arsenal re West ham and don't even go there with Chelsea.. The days of a 'nice easy 3 points' sadly are over, I can see a lot of so called 'smaller teams' giving the big boys a few bloody noses this season for sure.. I honestly believe our 'lazy shower of overpaid underachievers' thought that all they had to do yesterday was show up and the 3 points would be handed to them on a plate.. They need to wake up and smell the roses.. After last seasons atrocity, they should be playing every single game as as though their lives depend on it, Hopefully yesterdays result sent a very cold chill right through Anfield from the bottom right up to the top, Its not about panicking or over-reacting but more a case of making every single player and of course the manager aware that yesterday had better be a one off.. And boy they had better turn up and hit the ground sprinting in the Man U game or face the Wrath.
Yeah! I would go with this. A f
king st load of money is pumped into this league nowadays and every team is building on it and some of the so called bigger teams (us) are just resting on their laurels while the "lesser" teams bring it to us properly and fk us in the ass while our highly paid tt players think they hardly have to do fk all to win. Cocky fks.RedTrident said:
jammy_basturd said:
We generally played two up front with Sturridge didn't we? The only decent game I remember was the Tottenham game, even then I think we struggled.
He featured in maybe a dozen league games last season including sub appearances. The majority of our games since Suarez left has been playing either one striker or a winger up front.The Spurs game I remember well. Had me thinking that Mario and Sturridge would make a exciting partnership. I'm confident that a Sturridge and Benteke partnership will also win us games and get the best out of Benteke. Rumour is that Sturridge might make the squad for the Utd game, finders crossed.
If we're going to play with a mobile front 3 with 2 attacking midfielders in this set up then the striker has to be mobile imo. That has us picking Sturridge, Ings and possibly even Origi ahead of Benteke.
So basically 5 other outfielders to defend and supply the front line?
Sorry RT tactically that's suicide and in no way fixes our endemic defensive issues.
Sounds sexy though.
What do you think might fix these endemic defensive frailties then?
As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 31st August 08:05
RedTrident said:
What do you think might fix these endemic defensive frailties then?
As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Why do you think the top teams in the Prem now only play with one striker?As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 31st August 08:05
In fact, thinking back to Chelsea last season, we seem to have, pretty much, the same sort of line up and formation:
So, if that formation and line up is good enough to win the league, and relatively comfortably in the end, then I still think our problems lie else where. Either the players aren't being told the right things to do, they're not understanding their roles, or they're simply not playing well enough.
RedTrident said:
A friend sent me this, no idea if this is true? Would have thought he was going to go somewhere this window.
Tony Barrett ?@TonyBarretTimes
Sunderland look set to sign Fabio Borini after agreeing a fee (£8m plus £2m in add ons) for the forward.
If TonyB is reporting it then it's very much likely to be true. Doesn't mean personal terms have been agreed though. Tony Barrett ?@TonyBarretTimes
Sunderland look set to sign Fabio Borini after agreeing a fee (£8m plus £2m in add ons) for the forward.
Paul Joyce is also reporting that Ilori is heading to Sunderland. Don't know if this is a loan or permanent, but hopefully it's a loan.
I always enjoy reading Paul Tomkins' articles: [url=http://tomkinstimes.com/2015/08/simply-not-good-enough/[/url] - always well written and level-headed. I agree with him that BR is on thin ice. With the away games we have, and the number of matches before Christmas, I don't think I have the confidence to say we're going to play well enough for BR to see January as Liverpool manager!
jammy_basturd said:
RedTrident said:
What do you think might fix these endemic defensive frailties then?
As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Why do you think the top teams in the Prem now only play with one striker?As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 31st August 08:05
In fact, thinking back to Chelsea last season, we seem to have, pretty much, the same sort of line up and formation:
So, if that formation and line up is good enough to win the league, and relatively comfortably in the end, then I still think our problems lie else where. Either the players aren't being told the right things to do, they're not understanding their roles, or they're simply not playing well enough.
Edited by London424 on Monday 31st August 10:25
"Sky Sources" are reporting deal done for Borini to Sunderland for a fee totalling £10 million.
With all due respect, that is mad money for someone who has hardly played recently. For another £5 million, the Black Cats could get Charlie Austin who has scored goals everywhere and would score them enough goals to stay up.
Fair play to whoever at Anfield negotiated this deal...
With all due respect, that is mad money for someone who has hardly played recently. For another £5 million, the Black Cats could get Charlie Austin who has scored goals everywhere and would score them enough goals to stay up.
Fair play to whoever at Anfield negotiated this deal...
London424 said:
The difference is their players were/are better. HTH.
I'm not disagreeing with that, but we have players of similar playing styles, in the same positions. So the problem isn't necessarily the formation, but one or more of the tactics, preparation, mental attitude.Edited by London424 on Monday 31st August 10:25
RedTrident said:
What do you think might fix these endemic defensive frailties then?
As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Every goal by West Ham was due to defensive error, the back 4 not communicating, players moving out of position and leaving their mark and finally simple crapness. It wasn't the midfields fault.As for the sexy football, all I'm suggesting is that Sturridge/Ings is better suited to playing the lone man up front with 2 attacking midfielders either side of him. When Sturridge comes back, do you think we'll continue with Benteke on his own up front? Maybe one of the wider front 3 needs to be more direct and be able to run at people. We're all seeing what Sterling is doing for Silva.
Whatever the answers are, it involves changing what we're doing now, we all know we're fortunate to be on 7 points. Bournemouth were very unlucky not to leave with 3 points and Arsenal had a legitimate goal disallowed. This luck won't continue.
I'd imagine that what we're seeing now is the strategy we honed over pre season and perhaps even bought over the summer for. I'm sure the attack will get better with the return of Sturridge with Benteke and Firmino settling in. But the defence, there's no one really missing from our back line. I'd love to hear our manager's thoughts on what he thinks is going wrong and what might be done about it.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 31st August 08:05
I'm not Sakhos biggest fan as I'm not yet convinced he has an authority but I fear for Lovrens mental toughness. Perhaps he would be a better link with Skrtel.
I must say I do thing the back 4 need game time together as they certainly didn't look familiar. That would be a start.
I think we still lack a leader in the back line - someone to command and organise. Skrtel has never been that person, Lovren was supposed to be but obviously isn't. Toure has the experience but not the legs and the other options (Sakho, Gomez, Ilori, Wisdom) don't have the experience.
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