The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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SydneyBridge said:
I think we have a very good squad, better than we get credit for.
A lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
^^^^^ This is probably the most accurate best post written this week.. Good players don't turn to sA lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
t overnight unless they are being played out of position or unhappy / uncomfortable with the system they are playing within, We have a really good squad of players we just need someone who can utilise them to their strength's, I will use Cann as an example a German international player who has played in approx 5 different roles for us inside 12 months, The lad doesn't know if he is coming or going.Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
RedTrident said:
We've spent 300 million under this new system. Give me 7 or 8 40 million pound players any day over what we've done. It was an absolute shambles.
New manager needs a new system imo. After the sales in the summer our net spend was actually very low. I think there's at least 30 million plus sales in January for the new manager. Out for me over the next 2 windows are
Lovren
Ilori
Allen and possibly Lucas
Lallana or Firmino or Coutinho (too similar imo for 1 position, 1 must go)
Mignolet
Toure
Lazer
Mario
We need a keeper, right sided centre back, left back, commanding central midfielder and a dynamic striker that can replace/compete with Sturridge and Benteke.
Also with Sterling gone, there is just no direct attacking pace in the team. Ibe needs a loan or he needs to play.
We need to spend 100 million after sales on those 6 positions over the next 12 months if we're going to compete. Hopefully the new manager can bring in 3 in January and another 3 in the summer.
So what you're saying is, in hindsight, we should only buy the players that will succeed. New manager needs a new system imo. After the sales in the summer our net spend was actually very low. I think there's at least 30 million plus sales in January for the new manager. Out for me over the next 2 windows are
Lovren
Ilori
Allen and possibly Lucas
Lallana or Firmino or Coutinho (too similar imo for 1 position, 1 must go)
Mignolet
Toure
Lazer
Mario
We need a keeper, right sided centre back, left back, commanding central midfielder and a dynamic striker that can replace/compete with Sturridge and Benteke.
Also with Sterling gone, there is just no direct attacking pace in the team. Ibe needs a loan or he needs to play.
We need to spend 100 million after sales on those 6 positions over the next 12 months if we're going to compete. Hopefully the new manager can bring in 3 in January and another 3 in the summer.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 5th October 12:06
Here's an idea - if the team and these players haven't played well under BR how about we let the new manager come in, let the players get on with it and decide in time who should go and who should come in.
Throwing out the manager and immediately deciding to ship half the 'failed' squad before giving them a go at their appropriate position and role is just idiotic.
Also, we should ship 8 (3 of whom aren't even playing for us at the moment) bring in 6 spend an arbitrary £100m because it sounds sizeable enough? Think you're getting high on your own supply of thinking whatever view you have is right. Calm your tits and stop always having to come up with changes.
Let's let the new manager bed in and then start looking at changes.
No one is going to get the best out of Benteke without having players that can cross the ball.
No one is going to get Mignolet to command his area better or distribute the ball more effectively.
No one is going to be able to make a decent centre midfield out of Can, Henderson, Allen, Lucas and Milner. Too many average players that do a bit of everything but not anything really well.
No one in their right mind is going to play Lovren ahead of Sakho.
Our squad lacks balance. Mr Rodgers then added to it by playing half of them out of position.
A new manager will want assurances that he can get rid of players like Allen and Lovren whilst being guaranteed a transfer budget.
All in my opinion of course.
Pommygranite said:
jammy_basturd said:
RedTrident said:
We've spent 300 million under this new system. Give me 7 or 8 40 million pound players any day over what we've done. It was an absolute shambles.
New manager needs a new system imo. After the sales in the summer our net spend was actually very low. I think there's at least 30 million plus sales in January for the new manager. Out for me over the next 2 windows are
Lovren
Ilori
Allen and possibly Lucas
Lallana or Firmino or Coutinho (too similar imo for 1 position, 1 must go)
Mignolet
Toure
Lazer
Mario
We need a keeper, right sided centre back, left back, commanding central midfielder and a dynamic striker that can replace/compete with Sturridge and Benteke.
Also with Sterling gone, there is just no direct attacking pace in the team. Ibe needs a loan or he needs to play.
We need to spend 100 million after sales on those 6 positions over the next 12 months if we're going to compete. Hopefully the new manager can bring in 3 in January and another 3 in the summer.
So what you're saying is, in hindsight, we should only buy the players that will succeed. New manager needs a new system imo. After the sales in the summer our net spend was actually very low. I think there's at least 30 million plus sales in January for the new manager. Out for me over the next 2 windows are
Lovren
Ilori
Allen and possibly Lucas
Lallana or Firmino or Coutinho (too similar imo for 1 position, 1 must go)
Mignolet
Toure
Lazer
Mario
We need a keeper, right sided centre back, left back, commanding central midfielder and a dynamic striker that can replace/compete with Sturridge and Benteke.
Also with Sterling gone, there is just no direct attacking pace in the team. Ibe needs a loan or he needs to play.
We need to spend 100 million after sales on those 6 positions over the next 12 months if we're going to compete. Hopefully the new manager can bring in 3 in January and another 3 in the summer.
Edited by RedTrident on Monday 5th October 12:06
Here's an idea - if the team and these players haven't played well under BR how about we let the new manager come in, let the players get on with it and decide in time who should go and who should come in.
Throwing out the manager and immediately deciding to ship half the 'failed' squad before giving them a go at their appropriate position and role is just idiotic.
Also, we should ship 8 (3 of whom aren't even playing for us at the moment) bring in 6 spend an arbitrary £100m because it sounds sizeable enough? Think you're getting high on your own supply of thinking whatever view you have is right. Calm your tits and stop always having to come up with changes.
Let's let the new manager bed in and then start looking at changes.
mr sagman said:
SydneyBridge said:
I think we have a very good squad, better than we get credit for.
A lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
^^^^^ This is probably the most accurate best post written this week.. Good players don't turn to sA lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
t overnight unless they are being played out of position or unhappy / uncomfortable with the system they are playing within, We have a really good squad of players we just need someone who can utilise them to their strength's, I will use Cann as an example a German international player who has played in approx 5 different roles for us inside 12 months, The lad doesn't know if he is coming or going.If you look at quite a few of those signings there are a lot of 'had good/great seasons for mid/lower half of table teams'. Lallana, Lovren, Lambert, Ings, Clyne, Allen, Benteke. Playing in a team that finishes mid-table at best is quite a difference to putting it all together to try and compete for the top 4.
mr sagman said:
SydneyBridge said:
I think we have a very good squad, better than we get credit for.
A lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
^^^^^ This is probably the most accurate best post written this week.. Good players don't turn to sA lot of players were excellent before they came to us, Markovic had won the league for Partizan and Benfica before he came to us. The players we signed from Southampton had excellent seasons before coming to us.
None of the players we have signed maybe could be regarded as world class but we have not paid top dollar either and none of them have become bad players overnight. I think they have been miss-managed, have no confidence and are sick of being played in the wrong positions.
We need a manager to get the best out of what we have and we also need to buy a few big signings, rather than buying players in the the hope they will become world class
t overnight unless they are being played out of position or unhappy / uncomfortable with the system they are playing within, We have a really good squad of players we just need someone who can utilise them to their strength'sI'll reserve judgment on some of our players until then before I think they should be binned. Some will already be on the exit list but that's for the new manager to judge. No doubt many of us think we know who should be on it.
So which players won't you reserve your judgement on?
For instance, I look at Mario and think next to Sturridge he'd be excellent.
I look at Lallana and for the life of me I can't see where he fits in, especially with Coutinho and Firmino in the squad.
Anyone know what formation and tactics Klopp favours?
For instance, I look at Mario and think next to Sturridge he'd be excellent.
I look at Lallana and for the life of me I can't see where he fits in, especially with Coutinho and Firmino in the squad.
Anyone know what formation and tactics Klopp favours?
No one understands your view of Balotelli, RT. He's played alongside some amazing talent and shone with none of it.
As for Klopp, I believe he prefers 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 counter attack based on quick transitions, fast wingers, direct passing and intensity.
So I imagine that would be Coutinho, Ibe, Firmino, Lallana, Ings and Sturridge as our main options up front.
As for Klopp, I believe he prefers 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 counter attack based on quick transitions, fast wingers, direct passing and intensity.
So I imagine that would be Coutinho, Ibe, Firmino, Lallana, Ings and Sturridge as our main options up front.
London424 said:
It reads like you're violently agreeing with me. If you are willing to spend big money you can attract top talent. They will even slum it out in Russia.
Of course Monaco was attractive, but players weren't going there for football reasons were they? Or did you forget that they only recently got promoted out of the second division?
Think you are being a bit obtuse here, so Liverpool could attract top talent if:Of course Monaco was attractive, but players weren't going there for football reasons were they? Or did you forget that they only recently got promoted out of the second division?
1 We pay them £250k+ per week - which we cannot afford, and would create squad dis-unity
2 We are located in a sunny tax haven / playground for the rich - nope
3 We have regular CL football and a superstar first 11 - won't happen due to 1 and 2
Even assuming we could pay crazy wages players will go to Spain/Italy/Monaco/Paris/London before they come to Liverpool if those locations match our offer
Adam B said:
London424 said:
It reads like you're violently agreeing with me. If you are willing to spend big money you can attract top talent. They will even slum it out in Russia.
Of course Monaco was attractive, but players weren't going there for football reasons were they? Or did you forget that they only recently got promoted out of the second division?
Think you are being a bit obtuse here, so Liverpool could attract top talent if:Of course Monaco was attractive, but players weren't going there for football reasons were they? Or did you forget that they only recently got promoted out of the second division?
1 We pay them £250k+ per week - which we cannot afford, and would create squad dis-unity
2 We are located in a sunny tax haven / playground for the rich - nope
3 We have regular CL football and a superstar first 11 - won't happen due to 1 and 2
Even assuming we could pay crazy wages players will go to Spain/Italy/Monaco/Paris/London before they come to Liverpool if those locations match our offer
Whether you want to/can afford to is a completely different discussion. Go back and follow the thread.
Suarez was on, what, 200k a week when he left? You're currently paying Milner 140k and Ings 100 odd a week...the money is there to spend.
My Monaco example was just that, an example of a club who had just been promoted from the second division, play in a 18,000 seater stadium, couldn't offer CL football etc etc. What they could offer was a shedload of money (tax free was just a bigger bonus). Who were they able to recruit? Falcao (pre injury), James Rodriguez and Moutinho.
London424 said:
How am I being obtuse? My position is perfectly clear. If you pay enough it doesn't matter where the team is or what you can offer them, they will go.
Whether you want to/can afford to is a completely different discussion. Go back and follow the thread.
Suarez was on, what, 200k a week when he left? You're currently paying Milner 140k and Ings 100 odd a week...the money is there to spend.
My Monaco example was just that, an example of a club who had just been promoted from the second division, play in a 18,000 seater stadium, couldn't offer CL football etc etc. What they could offer was a shedload of money (tax free was just a bigger bonus). Who were they able to recruit? Falcao (pre injury), James Rodriguez and Moutinho.
But your argument is disingenuous.Whether you want to/can afford to is a completely different discussion. Go back and follow the thread.
Suarez was on, what, 200k a week when he left? You're currently paying Milner 140k and Ings 100 odd a week...the money is there to spend.
My Monaco example was just that, an example of a club who had just been promoted from the second division, play in a 18,000 seater stadium, couldn't offer CL football etc etc. What they could offer was a shedload of money (tax free was just a bigger bonus). Who were they able to recruit? Falcao (pre injury), James Rodriguez and Moutinho.
Monaco (tax haven, didn't take much for them to get CL, amazing place to live) has quite a few things going for it. Even still, James Rodriguez and Moutinho weren't exactly world class when they went there.
Suarez was on £150k when I left, I believe he was going up to somewhere around £200k or more, but this was only once he'd proved himself as one of the top strikers in the World. Ings and Milner are only on higher wages because we got them for free.
We simply don't have the money to compete with the likes of Utd, City, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, Real. Nor do we have the pulling power of Arsenal, Bayern, Juve, Atletico and probably a few more.
I honestly don't understand how people don't realise that.
Adam B said:
OK London424 - I agree if Liverpool paid £300-400k a week we could attract the very top talent despite the city location.
It's a crap situation to be in...think of all the years people made fun of Chelsea for losing money had over fist year after year. However they were able to buy some pretty decent players in that time, that in turn got them success, that in turn brought more money.
With the TV deals in the Prem many clubs should be able to blow all but the very top, top clubs out of the water salary wise.
Adam B said:
OK London424 - I agree if Liverpool paid £300-400k a week we could attract the very top talent despite the city location.
Then be bankrupt the year we dont make top 4 - Sounds great The only time we page top wage (as jammy has said) in instances like Gerrard/Suarez or we got them free so the wage can be off set against a fee
We dont pay 30m then put people on 250k a week - people can say all the wane about buying 3 players on 80k a week but soon as one player is sitting on 250k a week and not doing a Suarez week in week out you have a MASSIVE problem - All the other players then want even more stupid amounts of money than they are already on.
Football is not played on a playstation
jammy_basturd said:
No one understands your view of Balotelli, RT. He's played alongside some amazing talent and shone with none of it.
As for Klopp, I believe he prefers 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 counter attack based on quick transitions, fast wingers, direct passing and intensity.
So I imagine that would be Coutinho, Ibe, Firmino, Lallana, Ings and Sturridge as our main options up front.
The Balo thing is based off one performance against Spurs, and to be fair he has a point, they looked like they might gel. Then DS got injuryed etc .As for Klopp, I believe he prefers 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 counter attack based on quick transitions, fast wingers, direct passing and intensity.
So I imagine that would be Coutinho, Ibe, Firmino, Lallana, Ings and Sturridge as our main options up front.
However Balo was a poor buy as his style isn't a high tempo pressing game which BR was meant to play.
If Klopp wants fast wingers then Laser going to need to come back and work hard, plus sign some others.
jammy_basturd said:
London424 said:
How am I being obtuse? My position is perfectly clear. If you pay enough it doesn't matter where the team is or what you can offer them, they will go.
Whether you want to/can afford to is a completely different discussion. Go back and follow the thread.
Suarez was on, what, 200k a week when he left? You're currently paying Milner 140k and Ings 100 odd a week...the money is there to spend.
My Monaco example was just that, an example of a club who had just been promoted from the second division, play in a 18,000 seater stadium, couldn't offer CL football etc etc. What they could offer was a shedload of money (tax free was just a bigger bonus). Who were they able to recruit? Falcao (pre injury), James Rodriguez and Moutinho.
But your argument is disingenuous.Whether you want to/can afford to is a completely different discussion. Go back and follow the thread.
Suarez was on, what, 200k a week when he left? You're currently paying Milner 140k and Ings 100 odd a week...the money is there to spend.
My Monaco example was just that, an example of a club who had just been promoted from the second division, play in a 18,000 seater stadium, couldn't offer CL football etc etc. What they could offer was a shedload of money (tax free was just a bigger bonus). Who were they able to recruit? Falcao (pre injury), James Rodriguez and Moutinho.
Monaco (tax haven, didn't take much for them to get CL, amazing place to live) has quite a few things going for it. Even still, James Rodriguez and Moutinho weren't exactly world class when they went there.
Suarez was on £150k when I left, I believe he was going up to somewhere around £200k or more, but this was only once he'd proved himself as one of the top strikers in the World. Ings and Milner are only on higher wages because we got them for free.
We simply don't have the money to compete with the likes of Utd, City, Chelsea, PSG, Barca, Real. Nor do we have the pulling power of Arsenal, Bayern, Juve, Atletico and probably a few more.
I honestly don't understand how people don't realise that.
That's just my gut feel. I also thing that the Manager has a huge influence in the calibre of player you can attract. Which is why many people were happy to see BR stick around. a Klopp or Ancelotti opens up a whole new level of player to Liverpool.
anonymous said:
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None I was just told 2 weeks ago we met him and Carlo - but thats it ....He was evens when I was told so stayed away , carlo was 2/1
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