The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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jammy_basturd said:
I'm not sure how exactly it could have been changed to have been more successful with BR and the TC. Obviously the players need to fit in with the managers vision/philosophy, or whatever you want to call it. But that would have left us with a team built around Lallana, Benteke, Ashley Williams, Joe Allen and Clint Dempsey.... Obviously the TC hasn't had massive success either, but they have bought Coutinho (I think), Sturridge, Sakho, Clyne, Firmino.
It sounds like Klopp has agree to work within the existing structure with the TC, so lets just hope they're a more natural fit together.
Quite - I think they might have been better losing BR long ago, based on his choices. Clint Dempsey...Joe Allen....I mean, really...It sounds like Klopp has agree to work within the existing structure with the TC, so lets just hope they're a more natural fit together.
Flip Martian said:
jammy_basturd said:
I'm not sure how exactly it could have been changed to have been more successful with BR and the TC. Obviously the players need to fit in with the managers vision/philosophy, or whatever you want to call it. But that would have left us with a team built around Lallana, Benteke, Ashley Williams, Joe Allen and Clint Dempsey.... Obviously the TC hasn't had massive success either, but they have bought Coutinho (I think), Sturridge, Sakho, Clyne, Firmino.
It sounds like Klopp has agree to work within the existing structure with the TC, so lets just hope they're a more natural fit together.
Quite - I think they might have been better losing BR long ago, based on his choices. Clint Dempsey...Joe Allen....I mean, really...It sounds like Klopp has agree to work within the existing structure with the TC, so lets just hope they're a more natural fit together.
anonymous said:
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Pretty much all TC signings have also been played well out of position too - im sure this has been brought up in many a meetingScout a player - get stats on him playing CM then stick him CB - or a RW then stick RWB so on and so on
BR's knowledge of players is obviously very very limited to who plays in the prem - shouts to me a manager who does not spend much time watching other leagues
m3sye said:
BR's knowledge of players is obviously very very limited to who plays in the prem - shouts to me a manager who does not spend much time watching other leagues
I'd be surprised if this is true. Personally I think he wanted to suggest players who he was sure would not flop in order to gain more influence over transfers. Therefore he's always suggested players already proven in the Prem.jammy_basturd said:
I'd be surprised if this is true. Personally I think he wanted to suggest players who he was sure would not flop in order to gain more influence over transfers. Therefore he's always suggested players already proven in the Prem.
To your knowledge from what we read or hear has he suggested anyone outside the prem in his time? Be interesting to hear Legends take on his signings at Swansea, were they all UK based players too ?
To my knowledge, no. Other than Borini, but obviously he'd had Premiership experience with BR. But put yourself in his position - you want more influence on transfers, you get to put forward names and you know that those names, if bought, cannot fail, otherwise the power struggle moves away from you. Players struggling to adapt to the Prem is just another variable in why players don't succeed when moving clubs. So you know if you can eliminate as many of those variables as to why player transfers fail, you should, theoretically, stand a better chance of "your" transfers working.
IMO, BR's failure with transfers was placing far too much importance on finding players that would add to the boot room camaraderie. Players with nice personalities, likeable, easy to get along with, in order to create a team with a very strong "in it together" type of attitude. The problem with those type of players is that they are more susceptible to the pressures of being at a bigger club, hence why I think Lallana and Allen have struggled to shine. The other problem is we've lost all the leaders, the strong-minded folk, the players who command their area of the field.
IMO, BR's failure with transfers was placing far too much importance on finding players that would add to the boot room camaraderie. Players with nice personalities, likeable, easy to get along with, in order to create a team with a very strong "in it together" type of attitude. The problem with those type of players is that they are more susceptible to the pressures of being at a bigger club, hence why I think Lallana and Allen have struggled to shine. The other problem is we've lost all the leaders, the strong-minded folk, the players who command their area of the field.
jammy_basturd said:
To my knowledge, no. Other than Borini, but obviously he'd had Premiership experience with BR. But put yourself in his position - you want more influence on transfers, you get to put forward names and you know that those names, if bought, cannot fail, otherwise the power struggle moves away from you. Players struggling to adapt to the Prem is just another variable in why players don't succeed when moving clubs. So you know if you can eliminate as many of those variables as to why player transfers fail, you should, theoretically, stand a better chance of "your" transfers working.
IMO, BR's failure with transfers was placing far too much importance on finding players that would add to the boot room camaraderie. Players with nice personalities, likeable, easy to get along with, in order to create a team with a very strong "in it together" type of attitude. The problem with those type of players is that they are more susceptible to the pressures of being at a bigger club, hence why I think Lallana and Allen have struggled to shine. The other problem is we've lost all the leaders, the strong-minded folk, the players who command their area of the field.
Agreed on paper there should be less ring buying local but I genuinely believe that his knowledge of players outside the prem is very very poor - for him not to be recommending any outside the prem shows this ... you have to take risks,buying players who perform ok or good is great if you wanna finish 7th 6th 5th but those players wont get you where we wanted LFC to go too.... Ill guarantee you Klopp wont just sign UK players or German players...IMO, BR's failure with transfers was placing far too much importance on finding players that would add to the boot room camaraderie. Players with nice personalities, likeable, easy to get along with, in order to create a team with a very strong "in it together" type of attitude. The problem with those type of players is that they are more susceptible to the pressures of being at a bigger club, hence why I think Lallana and Allen have struggled to shine. The other problem is we've lost all the leaders, the strong-minded folk, the players who command their area of the field.
Im looking forward to hearing the atmosphere come back to life next week for what is hopefully Klopps first home game
As interesting and exciting as it all is I can't help but be slightly depressed that over the past 20 years the only two teams to break into "the top 4" properly are City and Chelsea.
To do that they have spent truckloads of cash.
It simply cannot be denied that cash is king when it comes to football and I can't see us spending the required under this ownership.
So is the best we can hope for a "good 5th" or a lucky season plus the odd cup?
To do that they have spent truckloads of cash.
It simply cannot be denied that cash is king when it comes to football and I can't see us spending the required under this ownership.
So is the best we can hope for a "good 5th" or a lucky season plus the odd cup?
jammy_basturd said:
To my knowledge, no. Other than Borini, but obviously he'd had Premiership experience with BR. But put yourself in his position - you want more influence on transfers, you get to put forward names and you know that those names, if bought, cannot fail, otherwise the power struggle moves away from you. Players struggling to adapt to the Prem is just another variable in why players don't succeed when moving clubs. So you know if you can eliminate as many of those variables as to why player transfers fail, you should, theoretically, stand a better chance of "your" transfers working.
I think that's a fair enough position to take in your first few months/first year - but not to be doing that after 3 years. Shows a shocking lack of risk taking/imagination.
Just had a bet with a mate who is a Liverpool fan (I'm West Ham) that Klopp wont better Rodgers records in the Premiership - to me easy money!
I always get the feeling Liverpool fans just expect too much from their team.
What's Liverpool fans realistic predictions under Klopp (if/when he signs)? Or maybe better what's your expectations on where Liverpool should be?
I always get the feeling Liverpool fans just expect too much from their team.
What's Liverpool fans realistic predictions under Klopp (if/when he signs)? Or maybe better what's your expectations on where Liverpool should be?
spicjt said:
Just had a bet with a mate who is a Liverpool fan (I'm West Ham) that Klopp wont better Rodgers records in the Premiership - to me easy money!
I always get the feeling Liverpool fans just expect too much from their team.
What's Liverpool fans realistic predictions under Klopp (if/when he signs)? Or maybe better what's your expectations on where Liverpool should be?
That when we go out we start to look like a team who understands what their role is and what style they are trying to implement would be a start - for over the last 12 mon th we have looked less like a team each time we play.I always get the feeling Liverpool fans just expect too much from their team.
What's Liverpool fans realistic predictions under Klopp (if/when he signs)? Or maybe better what's your expectations on where Liverpool should be?
We are not expecting miracles we just want to see improvement in the team, have some identity whgen we play again
One of Klopps interviews I read was people should have been able to recognise it was Dortmund playing even if they were in Red purely by how the team sets up and plays...
Also if we get to Wembley and are losing to Villa again be nice not to bring a Fullback on to try and get us back in it ...
jammy_basturd said:
Depends what you mean by better Rodgers record? Does that mean achieve higher than second place finish? Or average place over 3 seasons?
This is exactly what I said to him - I don't care what manager you have it's very unlikely that Klopp will beat a second place position (hence my easy money comment).Rodgers got 2nd place and a cup win in pretty much 3 seasons, I see that as good going (but I am a West Ham Fan!). Not sure what fans expect that all.
Like the style of play comment though.
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