The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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phil_cardiff said:
Finishing 6th after playing 90% of the season without a striker is very good.
Isn't it anything but? Surely the role of a manager, certainly at a higher end club, is to ensure this isn't an issue?You had strikers - 1x talented but injury prone, 1x talented but mental, 1x reasonably talented but not young and totally not in favour, plus another you were desperate to sell.
Those at the other end of the East Lancs weren't blessed with strikers either, but did better.
He may get there in time, but you need a new manager, just not the populist choice. Rafa Jnr would be a better choice than Klopp.
type-r said:
This I completely agree with. FSG are simply in it to make money - plain and simple. They saw an opportunity of a level playing field (FFP) and potential of a new stadium to increase revenues to sell on - however to their credit they did this by putting up their own money rather than borrowing money and placing Liverpool into debt. Trophies are not their priority; monetising Liverpool as much as possible is and will always be their key aim.
I agree but who buys football clubs these days? Either businessman looking for an investment (FSG and Glaziers) or a billionaire looking for a plaything (Abramovich or Mansour), not sure which is preferable.Odd thing on FFP is I read that the top clubs were in favour as it supported the status quo, ie prevented a small English / German / Spanish / Italian club being bought by a rich owner and spending huge sums to displace one of the old guard. So were FSG thinking Liverpool were in the elite already, or thinking they could invest wisely and conservatively and catch up?
Edited by Adam B on Monday 25th May 16:35
Adam B said:
I agree but who buys football clubs these days? Either businessman looking for an investment (FSG and Glaziers) or a billionaire looking for a plaything (Abramovich or Mansour), not sure which is preferable.
Odd thing on FFP is I read that the top clubs were in favour as it supported the status qui, ie prevented a small English / German / Spanish / Italian club being bought by a rich owner and spending huge sums to displace one of the old guard. So we're FSG thinking Liverpool were in the elite already or thinking they could invest wisely and conservatively and catch up?
You're right there, Adam. There was a decent documentary on the radio the other day about this; might have been the 20th anniversary of Blackburn winning the title. Basically said that FFP would make this almost impossible nowadays and that if you did get a smaller club invest like that, it would take 10-15 years to win the league because of FFP's restrictions. Odd thing on FFP is I read that the top clubs were in favour as it supported the status qui, ie prevented a small English / German / Spanish / Italian club being bought by a rich owner and spending huge sums to displace one of the old guard. So we're FSG thinking Liverpool were in the elite already or thinking they could invest wisely and conservatively and catch up?
Pommygranite said:
Honest question:
If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
It happens & I guess everyone has their off periods.If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
Equally good managers have struggled at times and have stared into the eyes of the Spanish Archer. Some have been hooked for being as successful as the could possibly be, in the circumstances.
Pommygranite said:
Honest question:
If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
Flavour of the month & fits the agenda.If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
Same old same old, people were braying for Rafa out a few years ago, now they want him back.... With a much better base squad & City not anywhere near the level they are now, he didn't mount a more successful league campaign than we had last season!
People will lay the blame at the feet of Rogers as it's the easy target, and as said before I agree to an extent that the season has been pretty poor overall with some bizarre tactics, but last season he was the best thing since sliced bread. Again, most people on here & the wider fan base were pretty happy with the summer signings, Lallana looked a hot prospect as did Lovren. The other signings all looked promising & no doubt were bought within the confines of the brief the manager was given.
It's very easy playing Monday morning quarterback, but to be honest people need to open their eyes & realize the foundations for our current situation were built a long, long time ago. It's going to take a hell of a long time, if ever to get back to regually competing for the league unless we get bought out by a billionaire owner who is happy to smash 500m into the club over a few seasons.....
Pommygranite said:
Honest question:
If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
Bayern bought Lewandowski and Gotze. Reus was injured half the season. Gundogan was injured too.If Klopp is so good why did he have such a terrible season?
4 main players there stripped from the team.
Granted they put £50m back into the side by buying Mkhitaryan and Immobile.
They did beat Bayern a few weeks ago to go through to the DFB Pokal final.
phil_cardiff said:
Finishing 6th after playing 90% of the season without a striker is very good.
I'm sure I read somewhere that spending 100 million meant we should be winning the league. We've had 9 put past us in the last 2 games by the mighty Stoke and Crystal Palace having won 5 of our last 12 games. That's after our run from the start of the season up to January 1st where we managed to win 7 games from a possible 20. 12 wins from 32 league games. That we finished 6th is more a testament to how poor the league has been from 4th down rather than how good we've been.
Nor did we play 90% of the season without a striker, you've just made that up. Regardless, as has already been pointed out, 3 of our 4 strikers were fit and available for most of the games we chose to play without a striker. That's Mr Rodgers right there, so tactically astute he's reinvented football strategy. We don't need strikers, just try to play 10 midfielders and a keeper.
RedTrident said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that spending 100 million meant we should be winning the league.
We've had 9 put past us in the last 2 games by the mighty Stoke and Crystal Palace having won 5 of our last 12 games. That's after our run from the start of the season up to January 1st where we managed to win 7 games from a possible 20. 12 wins from 32 league games. That we finished 6th is more a testament to how poor the league has been from 4th down rather than how good we've been.
Nor did we play 90% of the season without a striker, you've just made that up. Regardless, as has already been pointed out, 3 of our 4 strikers were fit and available for most of the games we chose to play without a striker. That's Mr Rodgers right there, so tactically astute he's reinvented football strategy. We don't need strikers, just try to play 10 midfielders and a keeper.
He not made the striker thing up, Lambert was a plan B striker, when it was 0-0 at 70 mins, they are playing all 11 back, he can come on and head the winner, that was the idea. He was never brought to play the high tempo pressing game, also he scored plenty of goals last year, so it made sense. Balo was the transfer committee, BR never wanted him as he knew he would suit the style of play. borini been injured lots so has Balo. DS is now called sick note for a reason. Also for you, there are breifing that they are impressed he got them 6th with such a badly balanced squad.We've had 9 put past us in the last 2 games by the mighty Stoke and Crystal Palace having won 5 of our last 12 games. That's after our run from the start of the season up to January 1st where we managed to win 7 games from a possible 20. 12 wins from 32 league games. That we finished 6th is more a testament to how poor the league has been from 4th down rather than how good we've been.
Nor did we play 90% of the season without a striker, you've just made that up. Regardless, as has already been pointed out, 3 of our 4 strikers were fit and available for most of the games we chose to play without a striker. That's Mr Rodgers right there, so tactically astute he's reinvented football strategy. We don't need strikers, just try to play 10 midfielders and a keeper.
BR wanted to sign Vorm to put pressure on Ming, but transfer committee overruled. He didn't want Laser, but was left with the choice of going into the season with just sterling and be as his wingers if they didn't sign him. You need to be asking why did key targets get missed last summer, why was a striker not brought in Jan? Why was the counting of the players so poor in reference to how they fitted our system?
While i don't buy all is well, and think serious changes are still need, BR should be given some more time. The only thing that would change my mind is if he has lost the dressing room, and i not sure he has yet.
RWD cossie wil said:
Flavour of the month & fits the agenda.
Same old same old, people were braying for Rafa out a few years ago, now they want him back.... With a much better base squad & City not anywhere near the level they are now, he didn't mount a more successful league campaign than we had last season!
People will lay the blame at the feet of Rogers as it's the easy target, and as said before I agree to an extent that the season has been pretty poor overall with some bizarre tactics, but last season he was the best thing since sliced bread. Again, most people on here & the wider fan base were pretty happy with the summer signings, Lallana looked a hot prospect as did Lovren. The other signings all looked promising & no doubt were bought within the confines of the brief the manager was given.
It's very easy playing Monday morning quarterback, but to be honest people need to open their eyes & realize the foundations for our current situation were built a long, long time ago. It's going to take a hell of a long time, if ever to get back to regually competing for the league unless we get bought out by a billionaire owner who is happy to smash 500m into the club over a few seasons.....
Agreed with much of this, FSG won't panic, there are structural problems at Anfield that simply changing BR won't solve, yes he isn't perfect, but he isn't the first coach to play a young player who is defensive at right back is he? yet he getting flogged for itSame old same old, people were braying for Rafa out a few years ago, now they want him back.... With a much better base squad & City not anywhere near the level they are now, he didn't mount a more successful league campaign than we had last season!
People will lay the blame at the feet of Rogers as it's the easy target, and as said before I agree to an extent that the season has been pretty poor overall with some bizarre tactics, but last season he was the best thing since sliced bread. Again, most people on here & the wider fan base were pretty happy with the summer signings, Lallana looked a hot prospect as did Lovren. The other signings all looked promising & no doubt were bought within the confines of the brief the manager was given.
It's very easy playing Monday morning quarterback, but to be honest people need to open their eyes & realize the foundations for our current situation were built a long, long time ago. It's going to take a hell of a long time, if ever to get back to regually competing for the league unless we get bought out by a billionaire owner who is happy to smash 500m into the club over a few seasons.....
revrange said:
RedTrident said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that spending 100 million meant we should be winning the league.
We've had 9 put past us in the last 2 games by the mighty Stoke and Crystal Palace having won 5 of our last 12 games. That's after our run from the start of the season up to January 1st where we managed to win 7 games from a possible 20. 12 wins from 32 league games. That we finished 6th is more a testament to how poor the league has been from 4th down rather than how good we've been.
Nor did we play 90% of the season without a striker, you've just made that up. Regardless, as has already been pointed out, 3 of our 4 strikers were fit and available for most of the games we chose to play without a striker. That's Mr Rodgers right there, so tactically astute he's reinvented football strategy. We don't need strikers, just try to play 10 midfielders and a keeper.
He not made the striker thing up, Lambert was a plan B striker, when it was 0-0 at 70 mins, they are playing all 11 back, he can come on and head the winner, that was the idea. He was never brought to play the high tempo pressing game, also he scored plenty of goals last year, so it made sense. Balo was the transfer committee, BR never wanted him as he knew he would suit the style of play. borini been injured lots so has Balo. DS is now called sick note for a reason. Also for you, there are breifing that they are impressed he got them 6th with such a badly balanced squad.We've had 9 put past us in the last 2 games by the mighty Stoke and Crystal Palace having won 5 of our last 12 games. That's after our run from the start of the season up to January 1st where we managed to win 7 games from a possible 20. 12 wins from 32 league games. That we finished 6th is more a testament to how poor the league has been from 4th down rather than how good we've been.
Nor did we play 90% of the season without a striker, you've just made that up. Regardless, as has already been pointed out, 3 of our 4 strikers were fit and available for most of the games we chose to play without a striker. That's Mr Rodgers right there, so tactically astute he's reinvented football strategy. We don't need strikers, just try to play 10 midfielders and a keeper.
BR wanted to sign Vorm to put pressure on Ming, but transfer committee overruled. He didn't want Laser, but was left with the choice of going into the season with just sterling and be as his wingers if they didn't sign him. You need to be asking why did key targets get missed last summer, why was a striker not brought in Jan? Why was the counting of the players so poor in reference to how they fitted our system?
While i don't buy all is well, and think serious changes are still need, BR should be given some more time. The only thing that would change my mind is if he has lost the dressing room, and i not sure he has yet.
Lambert, Mario and Borini have been available for more than 10% of the season. I'm certain that a front 3 of Sterling Mario Borini would have got us more goals. They were fit and could have been played. Mr Rodgers chose not to play them.
Who's briefing that 6th is impressive? Where?
Laser's natural position is what, remind us all please and how often he played there?
Vorm, I wonder why they stopped him buying another Swansea player?...
Who were the key targets that got missed last year? Was it Dempsey, or perhaps Williams. Lovren, Lallana and Moreno were key targets.
You are allowed to think Mr Rodgers should be given more time. That's fine. But lets not start making things up.
I agree our transfers are a mess. But then I think Mr Rodgers is going out of his way to not play, or play out of position players he didn't identify. Care to even try and defend Can at right back?
Other than Sturridge our strikers are either poor (Borini), lazy (Mario) or bought as an impact sub to briefly change our style of play (Lambert).
Let's not forget that Rodgers wanted Sanchez and Remy (and probably others) before being landed with Mario.
I'd like to see what Rodgers can do with this group, plus a striker or 2.
Let's not forget that Rodgers wanted Sanchez and Remy (and probably others) before being landed with Mario.
I'd like to see what Rodgers can do with this group, plus a striker or 2.
Liverpool's defeat to Stoke was shameful. Brendan Rodgers must pack his bags NOW so we can progress
17:55, 24 May 2015
By Jim Boardman
Before kick-off I remember thinking that whatever happened in this game it wouldn’t be proof on its own of what should happen to Brendan Rodgers. Before we’d even got to half-time it was difficult to think of it as anything else. Rodgers should have stayed in the dressing room at the break before making his own way back to Melwood to start emptying his desk.
If Rodgers has an ounce of honour in his body he’ll resign this evening and allow this club to move forward. If he stays Liverpool are in danger of drifting further away from the level most Reds don’t just want their club to get to but expect them to be at.
Rodgers said recently that fifth place would be par. It shouldn’t be, but he couldn’t even manage that.
As Liverpool fans we are often criticised for dwelling a little too much on the past, but as fans of a club that has had some pretty good days in its history that’s a little unfair. Why shouldn’t we mark the end of an era as Steven Gerrard moves to pastures new, or the tenth anniversary of that famous night in Istanbul, or 50 years since the club’s first ever FA Cup?
We aren’t celebrating that it’s 25 years since we last won the league but who would want to celebrate that? Last season we went close but this season showed that was nothing more than a false dawn. As soon as Rodgers was faced with having to play more than one game a week his plans fell apart. Time and time again this season he’s claimed a lack of coaching time was the biggest issue – but that’s how it works at clubs who play in Europe.
Even making allowances for today – Reds fans have had to make a lot of allowances of late – and that this was the last game of the season it was humiliating. Stoke wiped the floor with Liverpool in that first 45 minutes and in doing so brought back bad memory after bad memory from a season full of embarrassing performances and results.
A 6-1 defeat to Stoke is a low point from a low season. Six one. Shameful. What a way to end a season.
Steven Gerrard got Liverpool’s consolation, and it was scant consolation for the way his Anfield career has ended under Brendan Rodgers. His last home game was another defeat, 3-1 to Crystal Palace. With all due respect to opponents who have played well, these are ridiculous scores for a team like Liverpool and they are far from the only ones in this miserable campaign.
Not only are Liverpool losing to sides they should be beating they are getting hammered. It’s too painful to go through the results from this season now, but how many times have Liverpool conceded three or more goals, or lost by a margin of more than two? I don’t want to know.
Many people have tried hard to defend Rodgers but his position has now become untenable. If he has any feelings at all for the club he’ll fall on his sword now – but if he wants to make one last effort at leaving something good behind him he should throw a few public home truths at the club’s hierarchy in the process.
Liverpool were 5-0 down at half time, five goals conceded without a single striker on the pitch, despite getting £75m for the one we sold last summer. One we sold a while ago made it six for Stoke.
The failings of the ownership and their clearly below-par transfer committee need to be dealt with but that should not take away from the failings of his young manager. The nicest thing to say is that the Liverpool job came too soon for him.
Even throwing a generous pinch of salt in with the gossip leaking from the dressing room there are far too many in there who have lost all respect for him. Forget the nice PR-friendly stuff churned out through official club outlets, far too many players are left baffled at his decisions and disappointed at his treatment not only of them but of their teammates.
Listen back to interviews past players have given about the way they left, players like Pepe Reina and Daniel Agger, listen to how they talk about being told one thing by the manager, only for him to do another. Word from the dressing room is that this is still going on now, and Rodgers seems oblivious to it.
Look at the performances on the pitch today. Not just today either, but especially today. Which side was playing for their manager? Not the side wearing black.
Rodgers is out of his depth. A club like Liverpool expects to be challenging near the top of the table and putting in a good show in Europe. Rodgers complains about there being too many games.
A club like Liverpool should have big names in its ranks and with that comes the age-old problems of the big personalities and egos those big names have. Rodgers can’t even handle the ego of a 20-year-old, allowing Sterling and his agent to make fools of him and the club. Sterling deserved to be dropped for allowing his agent to do what he has this week, but he also has every right to question Liverpool’s ambition.
As punishment for recent events, Sterling sat this one out, left on the bench at kick-off and kept there throughout despite Liverpool needing to claw back a five goal deficit. That will really teach the youngster he’s wrong to think he’s got a better chance of trophies and success somewhere else, Brendan.
Liverpool fans are often accused of living in a fantasy world based on past glories. The biggest fantasist at Anfield these days is Brendan Rodgers, who is more Kenny Dalglish Senior off Phoenix Nights than Kenny Dalglish the manager who brought Liverpool their last league title a quarter of a century ago. I fully expect to hear him say the second half performance was outstanding and bodes well for next season. It’s what he does.
After Gerrard got that consolation 20 minutes from the end the travelling Reds were singing from the small repertoire of songs featuring his name. One of them is a slight reworking of one that is in its own right a snapshot of some good old days, when Liverpool had “the best midfield in the world” with Gerrard joined by Momo Sissoko, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano.
Today was a day when a former Liverpool midfielder who would never have got near being in on that song outshone the demoralised one that Brendan Rodgers put out.
This game alone should not be enough to see Liverpool sack Brendan Rodgers, the rest of the season had already done more than enough for that, but it should certainly be enough for the man himself to hold up his hands and finally admit to himself, his bosses and the fans that the job is too big for him right now.
Thanks Brendan, you tried hard, there’s no doubt about that, but trying hard isn’t always enough and in the end you were putting more effort into making bad things sound good than actually making them good. As you’ve said yourself, you will get better from this experience, but Liverpool can’t wait for you to do so.
For all our sakes, do the honourable thing and go.
17:55, 24 May 2015
By Jim Boardman
Before kick-off I remember thinking that whatever happened in this game it wouldn’t be proof on its own of what should happen to Brendan Rodgers. Before we’d even got to half-time it was difficult to think of it as anything else. Rodgers should have stayed in the dressing room at the break before making his own way back to Melwood to start emptying his desk.
If Rodgers has an ounce of honour in his body he’ll resign this evening and allow this club to move forward. If he stays Liverpool are in danger of drifting further away from the level most Reds don’t just want their club to get to but expect them to be at.
Rodgers said recently that fifth place would be par. It shouldn’t be, but he couldn’t even manage that.
As Liverpool fans we are often criticised for dwelling a little too much on the past, but as fans of a club that has had some pretty good days in its history that’s a little unfair. Why shouldn’t we mark the end of an era as Steven Gerrard moves to pastures new, or the tenth anniversary of that famous night in Istanbul, or 50 years since the club’s first ever FA Cup?
We aren’t celebrating that it’s 25 years since we last won the league but who would want to celebrate that? Last season we went close but this season showed that was nothing more than a false dawn. As soon as Rodgers was faced with having to play more than one game a week his plans fell apart. Time and time again this season he’s claimed a lack of coaching time was the biggest issue – but that’s how it works at clubs who play in Europe.
Even making allowances for today – Reds fans have had to make a lot of allowances of late – and that this was the last game of the season it was humiliating. Stoke wiped the floor with Liverpool in that first 45 minutes and in doing so brought back bad memory after bad memory from a season full of embarrassing performances and results.
A 6-1 defeat to Stoke is a low point from a low season. Six one. Shameful. What a way to end a season.
Steven Gerrard got Liverpool’s consolation, and it was scant consolation for the way his Anfield career has ended under Brendan Rodgers. His last home game was another defeat, 3-1 to Crystal Palace. With all due respect to opponents who have played well, these are ridiculous scores for a team like Liverpool and they are far from the only ones in this miserable campaign.
Not only are Liverpool losing to sides they should be beating they are getting hammered. It’s too painful to go through the results from this season now, but how many times have Liverpool conceded three or more goals, or lost by a margin of more than two? I don’t want to know.
Many people have tried hard to defend Rodgers but his position has now become untenable. If he has any feelings at all for the club he’ll fall on his sword now – but if he wants to make one last effort at leaving something good behind him he should throw a few public home truths at the club’s hierarchy in the process.
Liverpool were 5-0 down at half time, five goals conceded without a single striker on the pitch, despite getting £75m for the one we sold last summer. One we sold a while ago made it six for Stoke.
The failings of the ownership and their clearly below-par transfer committee need to be dealt with but that should not take away from the failings of his young manager. The nicest thing to say is that the Liverpool job came too soon for him.
Even throwing a generous pinch of salt in with the gossip leaking from the dressing room there are far too many in there who have lost all respect for him. Forget the nice PR-friendly stuff churned out through official club outlets, far too many players are left baffled at his decisions and disappointed at his treatment not only of them but of their teammates.
Listen back to interviews past players have given about the way they left, players like Pepe Reina and Daniel Agger, listen to how they talk about being told one thing by the manager, only for him to do another. Word from the dressing room is that this is still going on now, and Rodgers seems oblivious to it.
Look at the performances on the pitch today. Not just today either, but especially today. Which side was playing for their manager? Not the side wearing black.
Rodgers is out of his depth. A club like Liverpool expects to be challenging near the top of the table and putting in a good show in Europe. Rodgers complains about there being too many games.
A club like Liverpool should have big names in its ranks and with that comes the age-old problems of the big personalities and egos those big names have. Rodgers can’t even handle the ego of a 20-year-old, allowing Sterling and his agent to make fools of him and the club. Sterling deserved to be dropped for allowing his agent to do what he has this week, but he also has every right to question Liverpool’s ambition.
As punishment for recent events, Sterling sat this one out, left on the bench at kick-off and kept there throughout despite Liverpool needing to claw back a five goal deficit. That will really teach the youngster he’s wrong to think he’s got a better chance of trophies and success somewhere else, Brendan.
Liverpool fans are often accused of living in a fantasy world based on past glories. The biggest fantasist at Anfield these days is Brendan Rodgers, who is more Kenny Dalglish Senior off Phoenix Nights than Kenny Dalglish the manager who brought Liverpool their last league title a quarter of a century ago. I fully expect to hear him say the second half performance was outstanding and bodes well for next season. It’s what he does.
After Gerrard got that consolation 20 minutes from the end the travelling Reds were singing from the small repertoire of songs featuring his name. One of them is a slight reworking of one that is in its own right a snapshot of some good old days, when Liverpool had “the best midfield in the world” with Gerrard joined by Momo Sissoko, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano.
Today was a day when a former Liverpool midfielder who would never have got near being in on that song outshone the demoralised one that Brendan Rodgers put out.
This game alone should not be enough to see Liverpool sack Brendan Rodgers, the rest of the season had already done more than enough for that, but it should certainly be enough for the man himself to hold up his hands and finally admit to himself, his bosses and the fans that the job is too big for him right now.
Thanks Brendan, you tried hard, there’s no doubt about that, but trying hard isn’t always enough and in the end you were putting more effort into making bad things sound good than actually making them good. As you’ve said yourself, you will get better from this experience, but Liverpool can’t wait for you to do so.
For all our sakes, do the honourable thing and go.
I need this bit explaining please. What were the key elements that didn't surprise him and as he is the manager why did he continue regardless?
“There’s a number of key elements of the performance that didn’t surprise me, if I’m being honest, so I think that there are areas that we will address in the summer that will hopefully help us be much more competitive, more consistently, from the beginning of the season."
“There’s a number of key elements of the performance that didn’t surprise me, if I’m being honest, so I think that there are areas that we will address in the summer that will hopefully help us be much more competitive, more consistently, from the beginning of the season."
RedTrident said:
We did not play 90% of our games without a striker.
Lambert, Mario and Borini have been available for more than 10% of the season. I'm certain that a front 3 of Sterling Mario Borini would have got us more goals. They were fit and could have been played. Mr Rodgers chose not to play them.
Who's briefing that 6th is impressive? Where?
Laser's natural position is what, remind us all please and how often he played there?
Vorm, I wonder why they stopped him buying another Swansea player?...
Who were the key targets that got missed last year? Was it Dempsey, or perhaps Williams. Lovren, Lallana and Moreno were key targets.
You are allowed to think Mr Rodgers should be given more time. That's fine. But lets not start making things up.
I agree our transfers are a mess. But then I think Mr Rodgers is going out of his way to not play, or play out of position players he didn't identify. Care to even try and defend Can at right back?
As opposed to you making things up?Lambert, Mario and Borini have been available for more than 10% of the season. I'm certain that a front 3 of Sterling Mario Borini would have got us more goals. They were fit and could have been played. Mr Rodgers chose not to play them.
Who's briefing that 6th is impressive? Where?
Laser's natural position is what, remind us all please and how often he played there?
Vorm, I wonder why they stopped him buying another Swansea player?...
Who were the key targets that got missed last year? Was it Dempsey, or perhaps Williams. Lovren, Lallana and Moreno were key targets.
You are allowed to think Mr Rodgers should be given more time. That's fine. But lets not start making things up.
I agree our transfers are a mess. But then I think Mr Rodgers is going out of his way to not play, or play out of position players he didn't identify. Care to even try and defend Can at right back?
As i have said before we only see a small part of the club, we don't see training etc. I am not excusing a poor season. The reality was competed for the first time in the previous season playing a certain way, the players brought couldn't fit into to this system, a new system was tried and was successful until others worked it out, then key players suspended/injured and morale dropped. We ended six. Yes BR takes some blame for that,
The fact is much of the season our first choice striker was injured, Balo wasn't an option as he was completely ineffective, Lambert was ill suited to our style of play, and Borini was ok, but as yourself have many time admitted he wasn't of the standard for a liverpool player.
Do you not think Williams may have been a better signing that Lovern? Maybe maybe not, but he can play a highland defence and offers leadership, Lovern looks a one season wonder, and was in the large part hopeless for us. and at the moment looks a poor signing.
As for Vorn, rather had him than Brad Jones, Ming cost us a number of points earlier in the year, but BR had no one else to turn to. Yes Reina should not been sold, that was a bad deicsion.
As for players out of postion, many mangers do it, your teen crush Rafa did it all the time, sometimes it works others not. Can clearly can't play right back, and BR was at fault trying that again. He can play CB but time to start the lad in midfield. Lets be honest BR was hailed in Dec/Jan for playing him as a centre back and not a midfielder, so harsh to call him now when he tries him at RB.
and that comes to my hub of my argument. Red Trident blame BR all you like, but at the moment he is a coach in our structure, not the manager. He can't sign a player he wants without a committee, or give a player a contract. This can work but the structure is wrong at the club, no one goes hang on selling Agger for £3m, is that a good idea? His replacement at £20m & £18m have not been an upgrade on him, you can argue we could have signed 2 strikers we need for that. Do you think Klopp would want to work in this structure? Reform needed in the back end of the club before progress can be made on it.
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