What a poor transfer window so far
Discussion
Cie said:
They were quite clear they didn't want to sell him now either.
I've only heard mostly City and Liverpool fans trot out the line about Schweinsteiger being past his best. So what? At 30 a player doesn't turn to s
t over night. The same Liverpool fans saying that about him will be the ones raving about Milner when he has a half decent game no doubt despite being older and not close to Bastian's level at any point, so what does that make him I wonder?
I'm not saying you're a Liverpool fan (although I suspect the one saying Benteke is the buy of the window so far is a Liverpool fan...) but it is quite a predictable thing to say about Schweinsteiger just because he's over 30. Carrick is very influential for United and is even older.
We've signed Bastian fking Schweinsteiger and I can't wait for him to prove the doubters wrong. 
No comment on likely impact but Milner is 29 so younger than SchweinstiegerI've only heard mostly City and Liverpool fans trot out the line about Schweinsteiger being past his best. So what? At 30 a player doesn't turn to s
t over night. The same Liverpool fans saying that about him will be the ones raving about Milner when he has a half decent game no doubt despite being older and not close to Bastian's level at any point, so what does that make him I wonder?I'm not saying you're a Liverpool fan (although I suspect the one saying Benteke is the buy of the window so far is a Liverpool fan...) but it is quite a predictable thing to say about Schweinsteiger just because he's over 30. Carrick is very influential for United and is even older.
We've signed Bastian f
king Schweinsteiger and I can't wait for him to prove the doubters wrong. TwigtheWonderkid said:
I son't understand why Liverpool have bought Benteke, as he's just not their kind of player. They offloaded Andy Carrol because Brenda didn't see a future for that kind of player in their set up, and in Benteke they've bought exactly the same type of footballer.
No they haven't and no he isn't. Watch some of his matches and educate yourself.Cie said:
markh1973 said:
No comment on likely impact but Milner is 29 so younger than Schweinstieger
I stand corrected. I was under the impression he was 31/32 for some reason.Well he's got until January before turning into s
t then. 
I'm inclined to agree with the OP to a point.
As a league we are not first choice for the top top players.
The choice is very much in the players (and their WAGS?) hands, and tbh, if I was a sexy bad ass fussballer, I'd likely choose Italy or Spain over the UK just for the lifestyle :-/
Where do sexy 25 Year old model girls want to live? Don't underestimate the girly factor
As a league we are not first choice for the top top players.
The choice is very much in the players (and their WAGS?) hands, and tbh, if I was a sexy bad ass fussballer, I'd likely choose Italy or Spain over the UK just for the lifestyle :-/
Where do sexy 25 Year old model girls want to live? Don't underestimate the girly factor
jammy_basturd said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I son't understand why Liverpool have bought Benteke, as he's just not their kind of player. They offloaded Andy Carrol because Brenda didn't see a future for that kind of player in their set up, and in Benteke they've bought exactly the same type of footballer.
No they haven't and no he isn't. Watch some of his matches and educate yourself.I quite like the way the transfer window has gone so far. No stupid money signings apart from Sterling but even then after watching him on Monday night the boy will come good and dare I say it? In 3 to 4 years will be the most expensive signing in the world. Quality player if he learns how to score.
Benteke for Liverpool is an improvement and I think he will hit mid 20 goals this season which is what everyone wants from a striker.
Im impressed with Stoke signing Afellay and Shakiri shame Mark Hughes hasn't brought a new CB but Glen Johnson played great on Sunday.
Man City on Monday looked by far the best prepared and best team in the Premier they only had 1 addition but the team played really well. I can see them signing another striker thou. Finally Pelagrini is playing 1 up front.
Benteke for Liverpool is an improvement and I think he will hit mid 20 goals this season which is what everyone wants from a striker.
Im impressed with Stoke signing Afellay and Shakiri shame Mark Hughes hasn't brought a new CB but Glen Johnson played great on Sunday.
Man City on Monday looked by far the best prepared and best team in the Premier they only had 1 addition but the team played really well. I can see them signing another striker thou. Finally Pelagrini is playing 1 up front.
The jiffle king said:
Last season we saw Di Maria, Ozil move to the Premiership, but I think you are right, the real stars are going to Barca, PSG or Madrid. How they afford them with FFP I don't know, but we are getting a lot of the "middle of the road stars" to the premiership because of the money paid in England.
Di Maria allegedly left because he asked for too much money; Ozil and Sanchez weren't part of the managers plans and had incoming players - and perhaps arguably better and certainly in the vein of galacticos Looks like Chelsea have tucked United up and are going to sign Pedro for somewhere around £20m. Great signing!
Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
FrankAbagnale said:
Looks like Chelsea have tucked United up and are going to sign Pedro for somewhere around £20m. Great signing!
Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
They are this closed season's Spurs.Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
FrankAbagnale said:
Looks like Chelsea have tucked United up and are going to sign Pedro for somewhere around £20m. Great signing!
Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
Alot of the links are paper talk, agents driving deals and trying to get moves. Out of those you listed I think Pedro was the only one we where actually after. Got me thinking that United have been seriously linked to Kane, Ottamendi, Benzema, Pedro, Stones and Ramos.
From what I know (not a lot), Woodward seems to do the negotiations for United and in my opinion the transfer dealings at United recently have been nothing but a shambles.
From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
Challo said:
Alot of the links are paper talk, agents driving deals and trying to get moves. Out of those you listed I think Pedro was the only one we where actually after.
From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
I think Jose massively tucked spurs up over Willian from memory? Liverpool's transfers have been an absolute shambles. From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
Challo said:
Alot of the links are paper talk, agents driving deals and trying to get moves. Out of those you listed I think Pedro was the only one we where actually after.
From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
Utd were definitely after Ramos. He's the only reason why DDG hasn't been sold yet!From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
And yes, we've (LFC) had bad transfer windows. Last summer wasn't great, but this summer we've done superb. Got pretty much all our targets and got our business done early.
I'm not sure how you can say you've done very well. As G Nev said on MNF, you're two weeks away from the close of the window with the prospect of needing a CB, forward/striker and possibly a goalkeeper.
Edited by jammy_basturd on Wednesday 19th August 14:29
Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern are all bigger clubs than the Premier League Top 4 and will generally win out when it comes to the very best. I was reading the other day about when Man U sold Ronaldo and perhaps Beckham before that to Real Madrid....it cemented Real's status as a bigger club...Ferguson has conceded that it was a clever move by them. Those three clubs have all done much better than the English clubs in the CL in recent years.
And yes Manchester or Madrid ? Not a difficult choice for lifestyle is it. Especially for the South Americans who make up a big % of the elite players in the world. They pay more, it's a nicer place to live, personal sponsorships are more lucrative, more likely to win the CL
That said I reckon give it a couple of years of more TV money being invested by the Top 4 English clubs and they'll be asking questions of the Big 3 again in the Champions League.
And yes Manchester or Madrid ? Not a difficult choice for lifestyle is it. Especially for the South Americans who make up a big % of the elite players in the world. They pay more, it's a nicer place to live, personal sponsorships are more lucrative, more likely to win the CL
That said I reckon give it a couple of years of more TV money being invested by the Top 4 English clubs and they'll be asking questions of the Big 3 again in the Champions League.
Cheib said:
That said I reckon give it a couple of years of more TV money being invested by the Top 4 English clubs and they'll be asking questions of the Big 3 again in the Champions League.
Really? It levels the playing field in terms of financials (slightly), but doesn't allow us to catch up (maybe City if FFP is completely out of the window). Still does nothing for the fact that Real, Barca and Bayern (whilst Pep is there) will still be the more desirable clubs for the Worlds top players.jammy_basturd said:
Challo said:
Alot of the links are paper talk, agents driving deals and trying to get moves. Out of those you listed I think Pedro was the only one we where actually after.
From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
Utd were definitely after Ramos. He's the only reason why DDG hasn't been sold yet!From reading reports Woodward had agreed terms, but no willing to pay more than was initial agreed for the player, and actually LVG pulled the plug thats why we pulled out of the deal.
Last season was a mess in the window but this year we have done very well.
Not even close to the shambles of Spurs or Liverpool.
And yes, we've (LFC) had bad transfer windows. Last summer wasn't great, but this summer we've done superb. Got pretty much all our targets and got our business done early.
I'm not sure how you can say you've done very well. As G Nev said on MNF, you're two weeks away from the close of the window with the prospect of needing a CB, forward/striker and possibly a goalkeeper.
Edited by jammy_basturd on Wednesday 19th August 14:29
It would be interesting to see how he performs at United, but i'm not sure I would call 10 goals in 31 games proven in the premier league. In reality, he's only played 31 games in his career at a decent level. He'll basically be a less experienced, slightly older, not quite as good version of Lukaku (assuming united use him as a striker which must be the idea?)
If I was a united fan, i'd be very disappointed if Mane was the striker that was signed. I certainly wouldn't feel he's a premier league winning/champions league class striker.
I think part of the problem now is that there is very little stock available, and it's almost inconceivable that united won't sign a striker. Woodward has backed himself in to a corner. Fingers crossed that should Mane signs he becomes a beast and smashes in goals as i'd love to see united contend.
If I was a united fan, i'd be very disappointed if Mane was the striker that was signed. I certainly wouldn't feel he's a premier league winning/champions league class striker.
I think part of the problem now is that there is very little stock available, and it's almost inconceivable that united won't sign a striker. Woodward has backed himself in to a corner. Fingers crossed that should Mane signs he becomes a beast and smashes in goals as i'd love to see united contend.
jammy_basturd said:
Cheib said:
That said I reckon give it a couple of years of more TV money being invested by the Top 4 English clubs and they'll be asking questions of the Big 3 again in the Champions League.
Really? It levels the playing field in terms of financials (slightly), but doesn't allow us to catch up (maybe City if FFP is completely out of the window). Still does nothing for the fact that Real, Barca and Bayern (whilst Pep is there) will still be the more desirable clubs for the Worlds top players.I don't see Bayern holding their status personally...as you say Pep is the big draw but the Bundesliga is a procession. Whilst sweeping up every class player from any other German side works for now eventually it'll backfire...unless of course the Champions League goes full time.
I can see the Top 4 English clubs being on the same level as the big three financially in the next few years. United have shown the way with the commercial deals they have done, the others will catch up.
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