The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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g4ry13 said:
aeropilot said:
jammy_basturd said:
Plus they said the attendance/ticket sales tonight was over 59,000 - so not really hitting their pockets...
That's only because like everything else, the attendance figures are a con, as they include season tickets holders who may decide not to both going but don't offer up their tickets.It's astonishing that the club has the front (as do others) to bother giving attendance figures when it's simply not the actual amount of bodies being counted through the turnstiles......the amount of empty seats seen by your own eyes is a greater evidence than any 'official' club attendance figure. You'd have to be blind and stupid to believe the club attendance figure as being true.
I believe that the times I worked at the stadium and watched the attendance data in the control room, it matched to what the club was reporting as their attendance for the game.
Even when a stadium is 'full' to capacity, you can still find empty seats as they are required to have them.
Edited by g4ry13 on Saturday 23 April 02:30
"Attendances" nowadays at the majority of grounds is merely "tickets sold".
Wenger has said many times that he always honors a contract. He has one year left on his contract and I can't see him being sacked. I think and hope he will leave at the end of next season.
He has changed the club for the better, he helped design the Emirates and the training ground. I feel that since the Invincibles we've really just been treading water. This meant that a lot of very good players left, RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Sagna, Clichy, Song etc etc. We've gradually signed some decent players to replace them, Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin spring to mind but we still have a lot of players that aren't up to the required standard like Walcott and the Ox, Mertersacker, Gabriel
Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Chambers, Jenkinson need to be released. Cech is great but a long term replacement needs to be found, he's not going to be playing for that much longer. Forster at Southampton and Butland at Stoke are very, very good keepers. Koscielny needs a new CB partner. I have my doubts over Wilshere, I think he may be a sub tomorrow but I also think he won't play for long witout being injured again long term ultimately. Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Sanchez, Ozil are all pretty decent players. Sanchez is head and shoulders above the rest of the team, his work rate and attitude is amazing and we could easily loose him. Welbeck and Giroud, decent PL players but not CL standard IMO.
I think we need a different mentality. Ozil posted online a few weeks back and said a point against West Ham was a good result, from leading 2-0 a point isn't a good result for me.
At this moment in time I can't think who Wenger should be replaced by. Pep would have been my only choice really. He does need to leave but don't expect it to be before this time next year.
The way I feel about the club is that as long as we get a top four each season and CL football the board seem happy. I think we just go in to the CL to make up the numbers, we can't realistically win it. We scrape through and then go out to a bigger team. I'd rather not finish in the top four this year and then the board will eventually realise that they have a season to book their ideas up, spend some big money and get rid of the dead wood.
Bergkamp is the ast manager at Ajax. Would anybody give him a chance?
He has changed the club for the better, he helped design the Emirates and the training ground. I feel that since the Invincibles we've really just been treading water. This meant that a lot of very good players left, RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Sagna, Clichy, Song etc etc. We've gradually signed some decent players to replace them, Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin spring to mind but we still have a lot of players that aren't up to the required standard like Walcott and the Ox, Mertersacker, Gabriel
Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Chambers, Jenkinson need to be released. Cech is great but a long term replacement needs to be found, he's not going to be playing for that much longer. Forster at Southampton and Butland at Stoke are very, very good keepers. Koscielny needs a new CB partner. I have my doubts over Wilshere, I think he may be a sub tomorrow but I also think he won't play for long witout being injured again long term ultimately. Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Sanchez, Ozil are all pretty decent players. Sanchez is head and shoulders above the rest of the team, his work rate and attitude is amazing and we could easily loose him. Welbeck and Giroud, decent PL players but not CL standard IMO.
I think we need a different mentality. Ozil posted online a few weeks back and said a point against West Ham was a good result, from leading 2-0 a point isn't a good result for me.
At this moment in time I can't think who Wenger should be replaced by. Pep would have been my only choice really. He does need to leave but don't expect it to be before this time next year.
The way I feel about the club is that as long as we get a top four each season and CL football the board seem happy. I think we just go in to the CL to make up the numbers, we can't realistically win it. We scrape through and then go out to a bigger team. I'd rather not finish in the top four this year and then the board will eventually realise that they have a season to book their ideas up, spend some big money and get rid of the dead wood.
Bergkamp is the ast manager at Ajax. Would anybody give him a chance?
I read something about Bergkamp the other day, Keown went to Amsterdam to catch up with him and also met up with Marc Overmars. Bergkamp says he has no intention of being a head coach/manager as he enjoy's his current role and hands on involvement with the first teams too much.
Howvere much you look at it and however irritating it is Arsene does not deserve to be sacked. It's really sad that it's come to this but he should walk away when his contract expires.......The game has changed a hell of a lot since the time hr took over with us but in recent times he's failed to keep up with the pace of change.
Also in regards to Ozil posting about the point at West Ham.......I follow Ozil on Instagram a few months back I remember him posting something about us not being good enough, it was in all the papers hoew Wenger wasn't happy with some comments he'd made via his social media accounts so I feel everything he posts these days is some kind of sarcasm or dig at how poor we're doing.
I like Ozil, I think he's a very ambitious guy I just hope and pray that we can macth the guy's ambition and he doesn't end up regretting his time here because players like him and Alexis should be competing in cup finals and league run ins.
Howvere much you look at it and however irritating it is Arsene does not deserve to be sacked. It's really sad that it's come to this but he should walk away when his contract expires.......The game has changed a hell of a lot since the time hr took over with us but in recent times he's failed to keep up with the pace of change.
Also in regards to Ozil posting about the point at West Ham.......I follow Ozil on Instagram a few months back I remember him posting something about us not being good enough, it was in all the papers hoew Wenger wasn't happy with some comments he'd made via his social media accounts so I feel everything he posts these days is some kind of sarcasm or dig at how poor we're doing.
I like Ozil, I think he's a very ambitious guy I just hope and pray that we can macth the guy's ambition and he doesn't end up regretting his time here because players like him and Alexis should be competing in cup finals and league run ins.
As a Sunderland fan I was s
tting my pants for the first twenty five minutes or so, but that second half, your mob just seemed to run out of steam and had less to offer than I thought they would - points wise I was expecting sweet FA before hand.
Best of luck getting a champions league spot, rather you than United
tting my pants for the first twenty five minutes or so, but that second half, your mob just seemed to run out of steam and had less to offer than I thought they would - points wise I was expecting sweet FA before hand.Best of luck getting a champions league spot, rather you than United
Edited by Axionknight on Sunday 24th April 20:14
Did not like the team selection whatsoever. Hugely underwhelming performance irrespective of how Sunderland settled for the point.
Giroud: ineffective
Ramsey: lucky not to have cost us a goal
Ozil: didn't have anyone to pass to
Welbeck and le coq should have been in that side. We needed runners to stretch open the Sunderland defence. Walcott came on and bottled it, literally; a player with blistering pace in his locker he doesn't have the balls to knock the ball into space and run at it.
This wasn't the game - nor the score - to be bringing Wilshere on IMO.
On a plus note, I thought Iwobi played well.
Giroud: ineffective
Ramsey: lucky not to have cost us a goal
Ozil: didn't have anyone to pass to
Welbeck and le coq should have been in that side. We needed runners to stretch open the Sunderland defence. Walcott came on and bottled it, literally; a player with blistering pace in his locker he doesn't have the balls to knock the ball into space and run at it.
This wasn't the game - nor the score - to be bringing Wilshere on IMO.
On a plus note, I thought Iwobi played well.
Edited by Glassman on Monday 25th April 10:55
Glassman said:
Did not like the team selection whatsoever. Hugely underwhelming performance irrespective of how Sunderland settled for the point.
On a plus note, I thought Iwobi played well.
dont worry AW will shift him into an unfamiliar position and then dial out any winning mentality the kid naturally has. On a plus note, I thought Iwobi played well.
LudaMusser said:
Wenger has said many times that he always honors a contract. He has one year left on his contract and I can't see him being sacked. I think and hope he will leave at the end of next season.
He has changed the club for the better, he helped design the Emirates and the training ground. I feel that since the Invincibles we've really just been treading water. This meant that a lot of very good players left, RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Sagna, Clichy, Song etc etc. We've gradually signed some decent players to replace them, Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin spring to mind but we still have a lot of players that aren't up to the required standard like Walcott and the Ox, Mertersacker, Gabriel
Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Chambers, Jenkinson need to be released. Cech is great but a long term replacement needs to be found, he's not going to be playing for that much longer. Forster at Southampton and Butland at Stoke are very, very good keepers. Koscielny needs a new CB partner. I have my doubts over Wilshere, I think he may be a sub tomorrow but I also think he won't play for long witout being injured again long term ultimately. Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Sanchez, Ozil are all pretty decent players. Sanchez is head and shoulders above the rest of the team, his work rate and attitude is amazing and we could easily loose him. Welbeck and Giroud, decent PL players but not CL standard IMO.
I think we need a different mentality. Ozil posted online a few weeks back and said a point against West Ham was a good result, from leading 2-0 a point isn't a good result for me.
At this moment in time I can't think who Wenger should be replaced by. Pep would have been my only choice really. He does need to leave but don't expect it to be before this time next year.
The way I feel about the club is that as long as we get a top four each season and CL football the board seem happy. I think we just go in to the CL to make up the numbers, we can't realistically win it. We scrape through and then go out to a bigger team. I'd rather not finish in the top four this year and then the board will eventually realise that they have a season to book their ideas up, spend some big money and get rid of the dead wood.
Bergkamp is the ast manager at Ajax. Would anybody give him a chance?
I think we had a lot to be grateful to Wenger for until around 2007-2008. He had achieved so much during his first 10 years or so, he had revolutionised the club in terms of playing personnel, style of play, training methods. He was instrumental in terms of developing the London Colney training ground and The Emirates. He has changed the club for the better, he helped design the Emirates and the training ground. I feel that since the Invincibles we've really just been treading water. This meant that a lot of very good players left, RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Sagna, Clichy, Song etc etc. We've gradually signed some decent players to replace them, Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin spring to mind but we still have a lot of players that aren't up to the required standard like Walcott and the Ox, Mertersacker, Gabriel
Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Chambers, Jenkinson need to be released. Cech is great but a long term replacement needs to be found, he's not going to be playing for that much longer. Forster at Southampton and Butland at Stoke are very, very good keepers. Koscielny needs a new CB partner. I have my doubts over Wilshere, I think he may be a sub tomorrow but I also think he won't play for long witout being injured again long term ultimately. Ramsey, Cazorla, Elneny, Sanchez, Ozil are all pretty decent players. Sanchez is head and shoulders above the rest of the team, his work rate and attitude is amazing and we could easily loose him. Welbeck and Giroud, decent PL players but not CL standard IMO.
I think we need a different mentality. Ozil posted online a few weeks back and said a point against West Ham was a good result, from leading 2-0 a point isn't a good result for me.
At this moment in time I can't think who Wenger should be replaced by. Pep would have been my only choice really. He does need to leave but don't expect it to be before this time next year.
The way I feel about the club is that as long as we get a top four each season and CL football the board seem happy. I think we just go in to the CL to make up the numbers, we can't realistically win it. We scrape through and then go out to a bigger team. I'd rather not finish in the top four this year and then the board will eventually realise that they have a season to book their ideas up, spend some big money and get rid of the dead wood.
Bergkamp is the ast manager at Ajax. Would anybody give him a chance?
However, I've always felt even in the better years we could have achieved more. We should have won the UEFA Cup, The Champions League and more than the 3 titles he did win. Between 2000-2004 we had at the time the best squad we've ever had and arguably at the time we had the best squad in europe. Who can forget triumphs such as 5-1 in Milan against Inter or beating Real Madrid 1-0 for example.
Unfortunately, following the champions league final in 2006 we started to see some star performers move on. Year after year we sold top players and never replaced them. Much has been said and written about the apparent financial restraints on Wenger at the time. However, I still feel we could have challenged and won trophies with the players we had.
Year on year we've seen a decline at Arsenal. This has also coincided with a fractured boardroom and public discord between our majority shareholders. Now in 2016 the club is is disarray frankly. There is no clear direction, the team is neither going forward nor backwards, the fans are fighting each other outside the stadium and in the meantime Wenger refuses to accept he's done the best he can and allow someone else the chance to make the difference.
I saw a comment online over the weekend. 'Wenger is a squatter who refuses to leave your house' I think this puts it perfectly. The club continues to show the same failings year in year out and nothing changes. I don't expect Wenger will go this summer, however I'm now at the point that if he does get offered another contract and signs it I'm finished with the club. I just can't take any more of it, the club is in a mess and needs change now. I think I've said for about 4-5 years he needs to go and I feel utterly helpless as fan knowing I can do nothing to change it. I'm worried immensely that Wenger will get given another deal, I really am.
Alfahorn said:
however I'm now at the point that if he does get offered another contract and signs it I'm finished with the club. I just can't take any more of it
Hmmmm no.One day (soon please!) AW WIll be gone. What happens after that is anyones guess. I look forward to it with baited breath. I've wanted him out for the last five years.
I do agree with everything else you have said but you can't just quit 'your' club because things have gone pair shaped.
I wonder how Liverpool supporters felt as we went into the 90's and their dominance of domestic and European football deserted them. AC Milan, once a powerhouse of Europe are now mid table mediocrity. That's just 2 examples both with differing reasons as to why they are no longer at the top of their games. Don't give up just because the managers a crock...
Or were you just having another proper whinge
bobo said:
but here's the rub .... afc will get such a hiding next season under AW and with that comes a financial cost.
I agree that next season could see us fighting for Europa league rather than top 4, especially if we loose Alexis and/or Ozil at the end of this season, and at the very least we'll loose them by the end of next, whatever happens IMHO. We've been no more than lucky that we'll most likely finish 4th now (or 3rd if by some miracle we beat City at the Etihad) as even with the way we are playing, I can't see us loosing at home to either of Norwich or Villa, so we should be safe from Utd..........(I hope!)
aeropilot said:
I agree that next season could see us fighting for Europa league rather than top 4, especially if we loose Alexis and/or Ozil at the end of this season, and at the very least we'll loose them by the end of next, whatever happens IMHO.
We've been no more than lucky that we'll most likely finish 4th now (or 3rd if by some miracle we beat City at the Etihad) as even with the way we are playing, I can't see us loosing at home to either of Norwich or Villa, so we should be safe from Utd..........(I hope!)
well i have supported this club all my life and i wanted them to come in 6th or 7th to force kronke to overrule AW and get him upstairs....We've been no more than lucky that we'll most likely finish 4th now (or 3rd if by some miracle we beat City at the Etihad) as even with the way we are playing, I can't see us loosing at home to either of Norwich or Villa, so we should be safe from Utd..........(I hope!)
with the resources we have and assuming a good replacement is appointed the recovery would be v quick. but it wont be if we prolong this slow and gradual demise which is what we are currently doing.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transf...
I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
m3sye said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transf...
I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
Yup.....I will be surprised if Sanchez and Ozil sign new deals to stay at Arsenal....as I said in an earlier post, I fully expect both to be gone by end of next season....unless by some miracle, we do bring in some high profile star names this summer to show serious intent. However, even if we do that, I'd still don't think we can win ELP or CL with AW at the helm.I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
Chuck328 said:
Alfahorn said:
however I'm now at the point that if he does get offered another contract and signs it I'm finished with the club. I just can't take any more of it
Hmmmm no.One day (soon please!) AW WIll be gone. What happens after that is anyones guess. I look forward to it with baited breath. I've wanted him out for the last five years.
I do agree with everything else you have said but you can't just quit 'your' club because things have gone pair shaped.
I wonder how Liverpool supporters felt as we went into the 90's and their dominance of domestic and European football deserted them. AC Milan, once a powerhouse of Europe are now mid table mediocrity. That's just 2 examples both with differing reasons as to why they are no longer at the top of their games. Don't give up just because the managers a crock...
Or were you just having another proper whinge
However, I'm also involved in Non-League football and that keeps me very occupied so I don't think I'd miss it.
aeropilot said:
m3sye said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transf...
I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
Yup.....I will be surprised if Sanchez and Ozil sign new deals to stay at Arsenal....as I said in an earlier post, I fully expect both to be gone by end of next season....unless by some miracle, we do bring in some high profile star names this summer to show serious intent. However, even if we do that, I'd still don't think we can win ELP or CL with AW at the helm.I can see him going if they did come in for him, they must be looking at replacing Robben, Ribbery etc
t over and over for the past 3 or 4 years. The Golden Handcuffs we are in is a horrible place to be and very difficult to get out of.Would anyone take a period of 2 or 3 years out of the top 4 as a gamble of winning a major trophy?
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