The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
Cheib said:
aeropilot said:
Cheib said:
Gabriel stretchered off in the last minute or so of the Man City friendly. No way he's fit for next weekend.
No way he'll play before the end of the year I suspect..... 
Lets hope its no worse than that then.
StonedRollin said:
For the first time ever we go into a season and I haven't picked up the fixture list to look at what games I want to go to.
I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Quite, I haven't paid much attention to fixtures either.I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Ashley Williams to Everton £12m. Clearly a player who would have improved us, he's only 31, has loads of Premier League experience and is also captain for his country. Instead we're f
king about trying to convert midfielders to centre halves. What a fking joke we are!
Alfahorn said:
StonedRollin said:
For the first time ever we go into a season and I haven't picked up the fixture list to look at what games I want to go to.
I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Quite, I haven't paid much attention to fixtures either.I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Ashley Williams to Everton £12m. Clearly a player who would have improved us, he's only 31, has loads of Premier League experience and is also captain for his country. Instead we're f
king about trying to convert midfielders to centre halves. What a fking joke we are!Odd why Wenger is signing nobody?
Alfahorn said:
StonedRollin said:
For the first time ever we go into a season and I haven't picked up the fixture list to look at what games I want to go to.
I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Quite, I haven't paid much attention to fixtures either.I don't remember feeling this much apathy at the end of the likes of Don Howe, George Graham or Bruce Rioch's reign.
Ashley Williams to Everton £12m. Clearly a player who would have improved us, he's only 31, has loads of Premier League experience and is also captain for his country. Instead we're f
king about trying to convert midfielders to centre halves. What a fking joke we are!12 million for Williams. ffs.
At the end of last year it was fking obvious we needed a new CB. With BFG retired from international football, Gabriel not on international duty you could see that they could possibly justify in their tiny minds playing the waiting game or whatever retarded game theory they employ to suggest waiting until the PL has started to buy a new CB. As soon as Mertesacker got injured that blew up in their faces so they then became a much more motivated buyer in the eyes of selling clubs.
At that point whatever plans they had should have been expedited and the player bought at whatever the price needed. IF we'd had a really,really easy start to the season (Villa or West Ham
) you might have argued they could wait...but we don't...we have a Liverpool chomping at the bit and Leicester who apparently were no mugs last season.
But no....they fking delayed and delayed and now we don't have a fit first choice CB. Gabriel out apparently for two months and probably going to rush Kozzer back for the Liverpool who has a bad injury record himself and look at what happened when we rushed Alexis last year and Ozil and BFG the year before....they were all ste for the first half of the season.
Honestly think I'd go Chambers and Monreal with Gobbs at left back for Liverpool. Risking Kozzer is just too much of a long term risk we can't afford.
It's absolutely disgraceful that yet again here we are start of the season and on the back foot. If we lose at the weekend the Emirates will be worse than it was at the Villa game two years ago. Whoever we buy is probably going to cost us £5mil more than he would have done a month ago because clubs will know we're a forced buyer and if we drop points against Liverpool or Leicester that could cost us PL places next year. Could easily be the difference between 4th and 5th! Or even worse the title and runners up.
Rant over.
king obvious we needed a new CB. With BFG retired from international football, Gabriel not on international duty you could see that they could possibly justify in their tiny minds playing the waiting game or whatever retarded game theory they employ to suggest waiting until the PL has started to buy a new CB. As soon as Mertesacker got injured that blew up in their faces so they then became a much more motivated buyer in the eyes of selling clubs. At that point whatever plans they had should have been expedited and the player bought at whatever the price needed. IF we'd had a really,really easy start to the season (Villa or West Ham
) you might have argued they could wait...but we don't...we have a Liverpool chomping at the bit and Leicester who apparently were no mugs last season.But no....they f
king delayed and delayed and now we don't have a fit first choice CB. Gabriel out apparently for two months and probably going to rush Kozzer back for the Liverpool who has a bad injury record himself and look at what happened when we rushed Alexis last year and Ozil and BFG the year before....they were all ste for the first half of the season.Honestly think I'd go Chambers and Monreal with Gobbs at left back for Liverpool. Risking Kozzer is just too much of a long term risk we can't afford.
It's absolutely disgraceful that yet again here we are start of the season and on the back foot. If we lose at the weekend the Emirates will be worse than it was at the Villa game two years ago. Whoever we buy is probably going to cost us £5mil more than he would have done a month ago because clubs will know we're a forced buyer and if we drop points against Liverpool or Leicester that could cost us PL places next year. Could easily be the difference between 4th and 5th! Or even worse the title and runners up.
Rant over.
I know I have my differences with some of you on here. I know the way I express my view at times doesn't can be confrontational. The point being, I'm madly passionate about this club, the club I love. I want us to be given the very best opportunity to compete, this doesn't mean we have a god given right to win trophies but I want us to at least have the very best opportunity to compete for them.
I am so angry and frustrated at the way in which the club is managed top to bottom and nothing seems to work. Let me be abundantly clear; direct action and targeting of Wenger, his staff and the board is the only way. I want these people out of Arsenal and don't care how we do it frankly.
Wenger has ruined his own legacy, he has destroyed any respect or credibility he had gained as a result of his outstanding achievements in the period 1996-2006. He has overstayed his welcome, he refuses to acknowledge the clear needs of the team in order to compete or address weaknesses. He doesn't understand when it's time to say enough is enough and stand down for the good of Arsenal. I'm afraid if it comes to it he must be driven from the club and I have a feeling that if we get turned over on Sunday he'll feel the heat like never before from the fans.
I am so angry and frustrated at the way in which the club is managed top to bottom and nothing seems to work. Let me be abundantly clear; direct action and targeting of Wenger, his staff and the board is the only way. I want these people out of Arsenal and don't care how we do it frankly.
Wenger has ruined his own legacy, he has destroyed any respect or credibility he had gained as a result of his outstanding achievements in the period 1996-2006. He has overstayed his welcome, he refuses to acknowledge the clear needs of the team in order to compete or address weaknesses. He doesn't understand when it's time to say enough is enough and stand down for the good of Arsenal. I'm afraid if it comes to it he must be driven from the club and I have a feeling that if we get turned over on Sunday he'll feel the heat like never before from the fans.
Saints fan in peace.....
I think the Premier league needs 8 strong clubs with Arsenal being one of them. I understand that many of you will feel you have under-performed since the invincibles season and many other fans feel the same way given the influx of money and the rise of teams like Manchester city, but the reality of the way to run a football club has changed in the last 5 years with money, Asian markets and the way digital has taken over peoples lives and your club and many others have not kept pace
It feels like Arsenal have limited ambition. I say this carefully as you've bought some good players (Ozil, Sanchez) but it feels when push comes to shove that the players and the club don't really believe you can win the champions league or even the Premier League. Arsenal don't seem to make key signings and seem almost inept in the transfer market at times, and all this despite continued champions league football
As a Saints fan, I'm under no illusion that top 10 and the occasional 6 place is where we hope to sit and we pray for a miracle like Leicester had last year, but the health of the league and the competition will make the top clubs better, mean more English Success in the champions league and with that hopefully more funding for the grassroots of the game and the academy sides.
I say all this to share an opinion. I might be right/wrong, but at the very top of the game, you need the marquee signings to generate revenue and interest and I have not seen that from Arsenal in a few years. Hope you have a good season except when you play the Saints
I think the Premier league needs 8 strong clubs with Arsenal being one of them. I understand that many of you will feel you have under-performed since the invincibles season and many other fans feel the same way given the influx of money and the rise of teams like Manchester city, but the reality of the way to run a football club has changed in the last 5 years with money, Asian markets and the way digital has taken over peoples lives and your club and many others have not kept pace
It feels like Arsenal have limited ambition. I say this carefully as you've bought some good players (Ozil, Sanchez) but it feels when push comes to shove that the players and the club don't really believe you can win the champions league or even the Premier League. Arsenal don't seem to make key signings and seem almost inept in the transfer market at times, and all this despite continued champions league football
As a Saints fan, I'm under no illusion that top 10 and the occasional 6 place is where we hope to sit and we pray for a miracle like Leicester had last year, but the health of the league and the competition will make the top clubs better, mean more English Success in the champions league and with that hopefully more funding for the grassroots of the game and the academy sides.
I say all this to share an opinion. I might be right/wrong, but at the very top of the game, you need the marquee signings to generate revenue and interest and I have not seen that from Arsenal in a few years. Hope you have a good season except when you play the Saints
The fact that we, Arsenal have failed to sign two Leicester players (albeit champions) tells you all you need to know. There is a severe lack of ambition, any other big club wants someone, 9 times out of ten they get them. Whoever is doing our deals, probably the dullest man ever known in living existence, Gazidis, needs as much of a roasting as Wenger in my opinion.
The jiffle king said:
Saints fan in peace.....
I think the Premier league needs 8 strong clubs with Arsenal being one of them. I understand that many of you will feel you have under-performed since the invincibles season and many other fans feel the same way given the influx of money and the rise of teams like Manchester city, but the reality of the way to run a football club has changed in the last 5 years with money, Asian markets and the way digital has taken over peoples lives and your club and many others have not kept pace
It feels like Arsenal have limited ambition. I say this carefully as you've bought some good players (Ozil, Sanchez) but it feels when push comes to shove that the players and the club don't really believe you can win the champions league or even the Premier League. Arsenal don't seem to make key signings and seem almost inept in the transfer market at times, and all this despite continued champions league football
As a Saints fan, I'm under no illusion that top 10 and the occasional 6 place is where we hope to sit and we pray for a miracle like Leicester had last year, but the health of the league and the competition will make the top clubs better, mean more English Success in the champions league and with that hopefully more funding for the grassroots of the game and the academy sides.
I say all this to share an opinion. I might be right/wrong, but at the very top of the game, you need the marquee signings to generate revenue and interest and I have not seen that from Arsenal in a few years. Hope you have a good season except when you play the Saints
Wenger will never be able to give the board AND the fans the results they prioritise. Hence the backlash. I'd feel sorry for him, but he's rode the crest of a multi million pound a year salary wave for years now, and ruined his legacy in my opinion. It's pretty clear how he views the club - a cow to be milked, same as the board he reports to does.I think the Premier league needs 8 strong clubs with Arsenal being one of them. I understand that many of you will feel you have under-performed since the invincibles season and many other fans feel the same way given the influx of money and the rise of teams like Manchester city, but the reality of the way to run a football club has changed in the last 5 years with money, Asian markets and the way digital has taken over peoples lives and your club and many others have not kept pace
It feels like Arsenal have limited ambition. I say this carefully as you've bought some good players (Ozil, Sanchez) but it feels when push comes to shove that the players and the club don't really believe you can win the champions league or even the Premier League. Arsenal don't seem to make key signings and seem almost inept in the transfer market at times, and all this despite continued champions league football
As a Saints fan, I'm under no illusion that top 10 and the occasional 6 place is where we hope to sit and we pray for a miracle like Leicester had last year, but the health of the league and the competition will make the top clubs better, mean more English Success in the champions league and with that hopefully more funding for the grassroots of the game and the academy sides.
I say all this to share an opinion. I might be right/wrong, but at the very top of the game, you need the marquee signings to generate revenue and interest and I have not seen that from Arsenal in a few years. Hope you have a good season except when you play the Saints
Cupramax said:
The fact that we, Arsenal have failed to sign two Leicester players (albeit champions) tells you all you need to know. There is a severe lack of ambition, any other big club wants someone, 9 times out of ten they get them. Whoever is doing our deals, probably the dullest man ever known in living existence, Gazidis, needs as much of a roasting as Wenger in my opinion.
Absolutely. I would have been happy to sign Vardy although I don't particularly care for Mahrez to be honest. It's a sad indictment of what we have become that we can't attract players to sign for us.The club has been in clear decline on and off the pitch since the departure of Dein. We have the most expensive tickets in the world, the highest match day revenue in the world but our supporters just put up with it. We are not vocal enough, strong enough to confront the club. It's been like that for years.
I remember when the fans protested about the lost of the North Bank and the Debenture scheme, that was half baked as well, we just seem to put up with whatever the club does. We need to stopped being rolled over and having our tummies tickled to be honest.
Whilst we definitely went for Vardy I am not so sure about Mahrez ....I think that was media speculation. I've seen nothing from any of the more reputable journalists or bloggers that Mahrez or Kante were serious options. Draxler though there does seem to have been some interest given he went public about wanting to leave and was promptly fined by Wolfsburg.
As I said a few pages ago I am still worried about Ozil and Sanchez....who according to The Times today are both stalling on new contracts. You really can't blame them. Here again it's financial suicide. Sign a couple of big players and those two sign contracts. Don't sign those big players and we'll be forced to consider £25mil bids for them next summer when in the current market they're both easily worth double that. Makes a £50mil signing this summer look cheap if it means we keep them.
As I said a few pages ago I am still worried about Ozil and Sanchez....who according to The Times today are both stalling on new contracts. You really can't blame them. Here again it's financial suicide. Sign a couple of big players and those two sign contracts. Don't sign those big players and we'll be forced to consider £25mil bids for them next summer when in the current market they're both easily worth double that. Makes a £50mil signing this summer look cheap if it means we keep them.
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