The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
silverfoxcc said:
Bugger me you gooners are a fickle lot. Two losses and you want to bugger off?
Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
Honestly it's the same thing season after season. Arsenal will never move forward under Wenger.Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
NordicCrankShaft said:
I'm not even that bothered because it was that predictable and there is absolutely zero we as fans can do about it.
Well you could stop going to games, stop buying branded tat, boycott the sponsors. Stop giving the club money as that is all they are interested in. I predict a 2 year extension otherwise. Shame.
TEKNOPUG said:
Well you could stop going to games, stop buying branded tat, boycott the sponsors. Stop giving the club money as that is all they are interested in.
All it does is shows your own disdain for what's going on. Thousands will continue to go/pay/support and you only have to look at how the fans are split. I have found that by not bothering just exasperates the feeling. When you've followed/supported a club for 40 years it's hard to switch off on the count of a totalitarian who's been in charge for half that time.
Black can man said:
I've been saying this for years it seems. I really think Arsenal do not want to invest the money in players needed to win the league ,
Top 4, CL Football & 60,000 people paying silly money for 2 games a fortnight will do them just fine.
It seems that way, and once upon a time we were developing decent kids through the academy. The academy is still there, and the basic genes of human beings appear to still be present, albeit with the mindset of minions. Top 4, CL Football & 60,000 people paying silly money for 2 games a fortnight will do them just fine.
I have an issue with how the first goal came about, and more importantly how not many people seemed to giving a flying proverbial about Hector Bellerin when he was clearly knocked out by Marcos.
https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played s
t and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious).
As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played s
t and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious). As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
This is the kind of st I hear from so called experts at my village football team
"I don't need to justify it Matt, name better players that Arsenal can afford and are available? Name a better manager who is available and can do better? Define what success is based on a competition that is warped by teams that can spend billions, 100 million Euros for one player is obscene and guarantees you nothing."
fking unreal!
t I hear from so called experts at my village football team"I don't need to justify it Matt, name better players that Arsenal can afford and are available? Name a better manager who is available and can do better? Define what success is based on a competition that is warped by teams that can spend billions, 100 million Euros for one player is obscene and guarantees you nothing."
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king unreal!Glassman said:
Four years? You *are* fickle.
I am a bad, bad man MockingJay said:
silverfoxcc said:
Bugger me you gooners are a fickle lot. Two losses and you want to bugger off?
Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
Honestly it's the same thing season after season. Arsenal will never move forward under Wenger.Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
AW being replaced by AN Other won't necessarily make a big difference, as Arsenal will never move forward (challenge for EPL and CL) while the owners of the club are only interested in the club as a good business, and have made no secret of the fact that they are not interested in winning trophies.
As pointed out by another poster, finishing 5th or 6th might make for an interesting time in the boardroom during the summer.....
silverfoxcc said:
Bugger me you gooners are a fickle lot. Two losses and you want to bugger off?
Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
You're missing the point. Take what we Spurs loyalists have put up with year after year and still go and watch, because we are FANS not JCL
Over the years Spurs have tried to do things that make a difference. Whether it's new players, manager or tactics you've tried to do something different and are now a very good side.
We make the same mistakes every season. Go out of Europe at the same stage every season, lose to Chelsea the bridge every season , using the same formation and tactics every season. We make the same defensive blunders every season, we start slowly in some matches against lesser opposition and get humiliated every season.
This has been going on for years. Same issues, same problems, same Wenger every f
king year. We have the most injuries of any club In Europe over the last 6,7 maybe 8 years. It's the same every year and nothing is going to change until firstly the Manager is changed and the entire attitude and philosophy is overhauled at the club. Arsenal is a club built on making winners. This lot are losers, they only know how to lose and have been conditioned to accept it.
I bet Wenger signs and new contract and that just serves to highlight all that is wrong at the club. Wenger has total control and it's not good!
Alfahorn said:
You're missing the point.
Over the years Spurs have tried to do things that make a difference. Whether it's new players, manager or tactics you've tried to do something different and are now a very good side.
We make the same mistakes every season. Go out of Europe at the same stage every season, lose to Chelsea the bridge every season , using the same formation and tactics every season. We make the same defensive blunders every season, we start slowly in some matches against lesser opposition and get humiliated every season.
This has been going on for years. Same issues, same problems, same Wenger every fking year. We have the most injuries of any club In Europe over the last 6,7 maybe 8 years. It's the same every year and nothing is going to change until firstly the Manager is changed and the entire attitude and philosophy is overhauled at the club.
Arsenal is a club built on making winners. This lot are losers, they only know how to lose and have been conditioned to accept it.
I bet Wenger signs and new contract and that just serves to highlight all that is wrong at the club. Wenger has total control and it's not good!
Just like Brexit, it's time for Arsenal to depart with Arsene Wenger, we might end up worse or we might end up better but we must take that gamble, it's so predictable every season under Wenger now.Over the years Spurs have tried to do things that make a difference. Whether it's new players, manager or tactics you've tried to do something different and are now a very good side.
We make the same mistakes every season. Go out of Europe at the same stage every season, lose to Chelsea the bridge every season , using the same formation and tactics every season. We make the same defensive blunders every season, we start slowly in some matches against lesser opposition and get humiliated every season.
This has been going on for years. Same issues, same problems, same Wenger every f
king year. We have the most injuries of any club In Europe over the last 6,7 maybe 8 years. It's the same every year and nothing is going to change until firstly the Manager is changed and the entire attitude and philosophy is overhauled at the club. Arsenal is a club built on making winners. This lot are losers, they only know how to lose and have been conditioned to accept it.
I bet Wenger signs and new contract and that just serves to highlight all that is wrong at the club. Wenger has total control and it's not good!
Glassman said:
I have an issue with how the first goal came about, and more importantly how not many people seemed to giving a flying proverbial about Hector Bellerin when he was clearly knocked out by Marcos.
https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played st and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious).
As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
I'm a Chelsea fan. I was at the game, thought it was a foul at the time, and having seen the replay, it was a far worse foul than it looked initially. Bellarin was knocked out on impact. I'm a lone voice on the Chelsea thread as everyone seems to think it was fine! No way should it have been given. https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played s
t and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious). As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
Having said that, there's no way in a million years Adams, Bould or Keown would have allowed that to happen. They would have got to the ball first even if they had to knock out Alonso.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Glassman said:
I have an issue with how the first goal came about, and more importantly how not many people seemed to giving a flying proverbial about Hector Bellerin when he was clearly knocked out by Marcos.
https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played st and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious).
As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
I'm a Chelsea fan. I was at the game, thought it was a foul at the time, and having seen the replay, it was a far worse foul than it looked initially. Bellarin was knocked out on impact. I'm a lone voice on the Chelsea thread as everyone seems to think it was fine! No way should it have been given. https://twitter.com/howllnd/status/828029299181633...
There's a lot of talk about how there was no intent as the attacking player's eyes were 'clearly on the ball', but you can still 'see' without looking and as many players show week in and week out, you can easily act like you didn't mean to catch the player.
Yes, we played s
t and it's not just one game; the squad mentality is highly questionable. However, take all the media frenzy about how Xhaka should have been punished more severely for his elbow on Joe Allen and apply it to Bellerin getting knocked out cold with both feet off the ground (he hit the deck unconscious). As I said, I'm not trying to excuse our performance and I'm not suggesting Marcos went in to hurt the player (but he knew he caught him) and there was seemingly very little regard for a player laying on the ground that I could see (watching on the telly) had been injured badly. My initial reaction was that the goal should have been disallowed.
Having said that, there's no way in a million years Adams, Bould or Keown would have allowed that to happen. They would have got to the ball first even if they had to knock out Alonso.
Dblue said:
I don't understand why you see this like this, it's not just the Chelsea thread , it's MOTD, Mike Riley, Dermot Gallagher, everyone except you and Arsenals fans. Alonso and Bellerin collided , Alonso jumped completely fairly with his arms in an entirely natural position . I feel sorry for Bellerin who was at a big disadvantage in jumping from a virtual standing start but if thats a foul then we may as well ban heading completely
(in this thread) one Arsenal fan and one Chelsea ergo everyone. Sounds about right.
On matters of this type, ex players can be largely ignored. None of them ever bother to keep abreast of changing laws and directives and they all call decisions from what used to apply at the time they were playing. I even heard Rap Parlour talking about "last man" the other day, when that law hasn't stood for about 4 years.
When Shearer and co played it would have been a fair challenge, but under the current guidelines it's a foul.
When Shearer and co played it would have been a fair challenge, but under the current guidelines it's a foul.
Dblue said:
if thats a foul then we may as well ban heading completely
Why? Players go for the same ball with their heads several times in each game. Very rarely does it result in one of them hitting the ground unconscious. I think it's perfectly possible for that to be a declared a foul yet for heading to continue to be allowed. You're talking tripe. I thought it was a foul, not intentional but it was a forearm to the head. id expect the whistle to go wherever that took place on the pitch. Shouldn't the ref also stop the game immediately as it was a clear head injury?
Not that it mattered really, Chelsea were by far the better team.
Not that it mattered really, Chelsea were by far the better team.
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