The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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Excellent in the first 20 mins. We played at pace, we're clinical and United didn't know what had hit them.
Last 25 mins we were sloppy, casual, profligate and could have conceded a couple of goals.
Half time riot act for me. Sorry, a lot of you will find mind my comments harsh or even ludicrous but the simple fact is to be the best you need to uncompromising and ruthless. We just aren't for me.
Last 25 mins we were sloppy, casual, profligate and could have conceded a couple of goals.
Half time riot act for me. Sorry, a lot of you will find mind my comments harsh or even ludicrous but the simple fact is to be the best you need to uncompromising and ruthless. We just aren't for me.
evoivboy said:
God Giroud is so s
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Yes he is.tGood result today. I'm frustrated by the fact that we had a chance to humiliate them like they have done to us before and we didn't. This is fundamentally the difference between a good side and a great side. In the second half we played like a minnow delighted to be ahead against a bigger team and that is totally the wrong attitude it really is.
Very mixed feeling about this today. Good result but an opportunity lost in my opinion.
Personally I am happier we kept a clean sheet and didn't give a sniff. As we know this team has shown some major issues with not closing out games in the past so to suggest we should have gone on to try and give them a schooling at the risk of letting them back in the game just seems a tad disingenuous.
We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
Cheib said:
Personally I am happier we kept a clean sheet and didn't give a sniff. As we know this team has shown some major issues with not closing out games in the past so to suggest we should have gone on to try and give them a schooling at the risk of letting them back in the game just seems a tad disingenuous.
We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
I agree... Before the game, a 3-0 win was beyond what I expected. The fact we decided to close the game out seems like a more grown up performance.We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
If we had tried to slaughter them 6-0 and thus let a goal in (and the issues that might have caused), then I guess there would be equal criticism of why didn't we close the game down on here - which does show how much Wenger has lost the trust in the fans... so on that...
What could Wenger do now (and I mean now as in from today moving forwards) that would make the haters keep him?
Win the Premier league be enough?
Make some big winter signings?
Genuinely interested...
RacingPete said:
What could Wenger do now (and I mean now as in from today moving forwards) that would make the haters keep him?
Win the Premier league be enough?
Make some big winter signings?
Genuinely interested...
IF, he can sign a decent striker with all round ability (It doesn't have to be a £50+ million super star etc - just someone who can do the job), some back up for Coquelin and perhaps some defence changes, then.....no. I'm not sure that's enough to win the league. Win the Premier league be enough?
Make some big winter signings?
Genuinely interested...
I think it was about 2012 or so the Chelsea started their dominant winning streak over us in the league. I remember watching one match vs Chelsea a few seasons ago, for the entire game, the gunners tried to do nothing but ballet dance the ball into the net (stunning football when it works against lesser opposition) but not a chance in this match, they were completely muscled out in mid field and that's something that has been prevalent for a while.
Wenger for me is too stuck in his ways, outdated and too belligerent in his MO. What he has done in the past is exceptional and will be truly remembered as greatness, but football evolves over the years and he has struggled to keep up. We have seen evidence of this for the past 5 seasons at least.
I do think it's time for a change, the biggest problem is WHO. However,putting aside yesterdays (very good) performance, I do wonder if signing a new manager would make things ANY worse given the current squad and funds available.
Chuck328 said:
IF, he can sign a decent striker with all round ability (It doesn't have to be a £50+ million super star etc - just someone who can do the job), some back up for Coquelin and perhaps some defence changes, then.....no. I'm not sure that's enough to win the league.
But say he signs no-one, and then wins the league... is that enough to keep those that want him out to stay?excellent result and considering the team ... inline. its a game they should be winning....
i did notice both giroud and ramsey had reduced versions of their hair and facial 'look at me' glamour for this matach. i think 'finally' they (and the rest of the team) got a solid ticking off about focus and where the exit door is prior to the game. less protection of players, more competition will make those performances come again ie not wengers style.
just the same old question, as it has been for the last 4 seasons.... how many games before it reverts to the AFC mean? and they start putting in sub par performances again.
this of course is down to wengers management. if anyone thinks this team cant win the league they are as stupid as those previously saying AFC had no money....
theres no doubt wenger has the tools
i did notice both giroud and ramsey had reduced versions of their hair and facial 'look at me' glamour for this matach. i think 'finally' they (and the rest of the team) got a solid ticking off about focus and where the exit door is prior to the game. less protection of players, more competition will make those performances come again ie not wengers style.
just the same old question, as it has been for the last 4 seasons.... how many games before it reverts to the AFC mean? and they start putting in sub par performances again.
this of course is down to wengers management. if anyone thinks this team cant win the league they are as stupid as those previously saying AFC had no money....
theres no doubt wenger has the tools
Edited by bobo on Monday 5th October 13:19
RacingPete said:
But say he signs no-one, and then wins the league... is that enough to keep those that want him out to stay?
Admittedly a difficult one. I can't deny it would be compelling for him to not go, but I'd temper that with the thoughts that they are not quite there for a sustained challenge, to many suicidal performances suggest that.What do you think?
Chuck328 said:
Admittedly a difficult one. I can't deny it would be compelling for him to not go, but I'd temper that with the thoughts that they are not quite there for a sustained challenge, to many suicidal performances suggest that.
What do you think?
I think there is a high possibility we will be out of the Champions League before Christmas, and thus either in Europa or not competing at all. Either way it would mean total focus on the premier league (with us being knocked out in Jan/Feb usually, we then go on an unbeaten run in Premiership and a late surge in normal years).What do you think?
This means that Wenger fails again at the Champions League, but could mean we actually win the premiership (especially with the gap between the second tier sides being so close that the top 4 are all capable of dropping points).
Winning the premier league would make me happy, and I enjoy the way Arsenal play (the quick pass and move philosophy) under Wenger. I'm not sure he is good enough to win the Champions League ever, but could do a prem league and cup double with this team (if we can keep certain key players out of injury - Sanchez, Coq, Ozil, Carzola).
I think if he wins the premier league this year then I will give him another year, if not then we should move on as a club.
RacingPete said:
I think there is a high possibility we will be out of the Champions League before Christmas, and thus either in Europa or not competing at all. Either way it would mean total focus on the premier league (with us being knocked out in Jan/Feb usually, we then go on an unbeaten run in Premiership and a late surge in normal years).
This means that Wenger fails again at the Champions League, but could mean we actually win the premiership (especially with the gap between the second tier sides being so close that the top 4 are all capable of dropping points).
Winning the premier league would make me happy, and I enjoy the way Arsenal play (the quick pass and move philosophy) under Wenger. I'm not sure he is good enough to win the Champions League ever, but could do a prem league and cup double with this team (if we can keep certain key players out of injury - Sanchez, Coq, Ozil, Carzola).
I think if he wins the premier league this year then I will give him another year, if not then we should move on as a club.
Carragher and Henry were talking about this on Sky after the match...early departure from CL could be a blessing. Play the squad players in the Europa and see where it gets us etc but means we can concentrate on PL. They also made the point that the PL is only going to get harder to win....Chelsea are seemingly struggling and Man U will obviously blow the transfer budget again next summer.This means that Wenger fails again at the Champions League, but could mean we actually win the premiership (especially with the gap between the second tier sides being so close that the top 4 are all capable of dropping points).
Winning the premier league would make me happy, and I enjoy the way Arsenal play (the quick pass and move philosophy) under Wenger. I'm not sure he is good enough to win the Champions League ever, but could do a prem league and cup double with this team (if we can keep certain key players out of injury - Sanchez, Coq, Ozil, Carzola).
I think if he wins the premier league this year then I will give him another year, if not then we should move on as a club.
More than once those February CL fixtures have coincided with a run of tough PL fixtures.
Cheib said:
Personally I am happier we kept a clean sheet and didn't give a sniff. As we know this team has shown some major issues with not closing out games in the past so to suggest we should have gone on to try and give them a schooling at the risk of letting them back in the game just seems a tad disingenuous.
We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
I'll accept what you say about being disingenuous. However, at times we were wasteful in the second half with our possession and the chances we created. At times we were fortunate when losing possession just outside our 18 yard box and frankly if United had of go one back it would have been very difficult to rediscover our form of the first 20 mins and I think United would have ended up getting something from the game.We belted them in the first half and controlled the game in the second and they didn't look like getting back in the game. Job done.
We made the premier league take notice yesterday but we missed the chance to really make a statement. We've been on the receiving end too many times in recent seasons and yesterday was a chance to put that right and we missed it. If we'd maintained our start to the game we'd have got 6 I'm certain of it.
Best 20 minutes of football I've witnessed at the Emirates, but also great that we then saw off the game without conceding.
Yes would have been good to get more and embarrass them but the last thing we should be doing to gallivanting forward without keeping tight at the back, that's cost us too many times. Shame Rambo and Giroud missed their chances
Yes would have been good to get more and embarrass them but the last thing we should be doing to gallivanting forward without keeping tight at the back, that's cost us too many times. Shame Rambo and Giroud missed their chances
Cheib said:
Carragher and Henry were talking about this on Sky after the match...early departure from CL could be a blessing. Play the squad players in the Europa and see where it gets us etc but means we can concentrate on PL. They also made the point that the PL is only going to get harder to win....Chelsea are seemingly struggling and Man U will obviously blow the transfer budget again next summer.
More than once those February CL fixtures have coincided with a run of tough PL fixtures.
Agreed. Time to concentrate on the PL, let the squad players play in the cups for experience, and even the remaining CL matches to give them some european experience. I also with another poster that AW will never win the CL, his time for that has gone.More than once those February CL fixtures have coincided with a run of tough PL fixtures.
The other issue, is England could loose out on 4 places for CL after 2017 with another poor showing by clubs this season, if none get to the 1/4 finals stages, and then the pressure will on in the PL, as the eternal 4th place spot won't get you CL!!
Alfahorn said:
evoivboy said:
God Giroud is so st
Yes he is.tGood result today. I'm frustrated by the fact that we had a chance to humiliate them like they have done to us before and we didn't. This is fundamentally the difference between a good side and a great side. In the second half we played like a minnow delighted to be ahead against a bigger team and that is totally the wrong attitude it really is.
Very mixed feeling about this today. Good result but an opportunity lost in my opinion.
TX.
its a good theory but i cant see dropping out of the CL early helping in EPL long term....
issues are always that of management, leadership and focus.... AFC can do it all from behind but once they have the baton and have to lead from the front the mental frailties soon come to the forefront as the pressure builds.....
wengers quiet and respectful approach wont win anything when the chips are down. you need a guy in there that convinces the team they are unbeatable from the start and to be almost brash and arrogant about it too.
the last time a wenger team could lead from the front it was full of players that frankly didn’t need managing! they all had unquestionable self belief.
this current team is not that.
issues are always that of management, leadership and focus.... AFC can do it all from behind but once they have the baton and have to lead from the front the mental frailties soon come to the forefront as the pressure builds.....
wengers quiet and respectful approach wont win anything when the chips are down. you need a guy in there that convinces the team they are unbeatable from the start and to be almost brash and arrogant about it too.
the last time a wenger team could lead from the front it was full of players that frankly didn’t need managing! they all had unquestionable self belief.
this current team is not that.
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